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[MegaSovereign]

I strongly believe Bioware should have focused on adding more content to the existing romance options instead of adding new ones.

As for S/S romances, I never had a problem with them in ME1 or ME2 so why would ME3 be different? Oh right, S/S doesn't spark controversy unless it's M/M...lol

[mauro2222]

Kaidan is a biotic, he has to be slender, so yeah, he was "sexualized". And Ashley made it pretty clear, she prefers armor and she's never going to wear a skirt, of course that was changed and she now wears a skirt and 3 tons of make up.

Modifié par mauro2222, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:22 .

[The Angry One]

Slimming? Who's talking about that? I'm talking about adding elements to Ashley that are focused entirely on making her appear sexy while forgetting that, you know, she's a marine who's seen front line action.
At the very least giving her outfits usable on the field with high heels should've been rejected at the design stage.

[RavenEyry]

wizardryforever wrote...
Men find different things sexy than women, that's why they were treated differently.

I'm male and I liked Ash's appearance more in 1. It annoys me that companies get so paranoid no one will find their characters sexy if they couldn't work in a fashion magazine.

[Fiery Phoenix]

MegaSovereign wrote...

As for S/S romances, I never had a problem with them in ME1 or ME2 so why would ME3 be different? Oh right, S/S doesn't spark controversy unless it's M/M...lol

Or when it's your favorite character.

[iamweaver]

One note on "Shepherd-sexual".

This might sound ridiculous, but in addition to characters like those in ME3, I have no problems with hetero characters who fall for either FemShep or ManShep, and ****** characters who do the same.

In a complex enough RPG, the NPCs can have differing personality traits depending on how you play the game. This would include a Kaiden who is seamlessly oriented in all three games, but whose back-story is gendered according to Shep's gender.

I haven't played DA2 yet (and I get the impresison that it's not all that great an RPG< so I probably won't), but I assume that was the goal of Bioware there. Or am I wrong?

[iamweaver]

RavenEyry wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...
Men find different things sexy than women, that's why they were treated differently.

I'm male and I liked Ash's appearance more in 1. It annoys me that companies get so paranoid no one will find their characters sexy if they couldn't work in a fashion magazine.

This.  When I took Ashley with me on a mission in ME3, I always made her wear her ridiculous skimpy shirt and heels on the battle field, just for lolz.  Come on, really, Bioware?

[JROW317]

Who ever you romance in Mass effect ,is your choice. For those who say ,same sex romances should not be in mass effect, will be thrown out the airlock by Normandy crew:)

[Tup3x]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I strongly believe Bioware should have focused on adding more content to the existing romance options instead of adding new ones.

As for S/S romances, I never had a problem with them in ME1 or ME2 so why would ME3 be different? Oh right, S/S doesn't spark controversy unless it's M/M...lol

As one who has single Shepard, I'd rather see just more content that has nothing to do with any romance whatsoever.

RavenEyry wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...
Men find different things sexy than women, that's why they were treated differently.

I'm
male and I liked Ash's appearance more in 1. It annoys me that
companies get so paranoid no one will find their characters sexy if they
couldn't work in a fashion magazine.

Seconded. I definitely liked Ash more before.

Modifié par Tup3xi, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:29 .

[mauro2222]

Why? I mean, it's not like they are going to change. They just like both sexes, or, they are pansexual (this is were I think Kaidan belongs).

Modifié par mauro2222, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:29 .

[Cartims]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

As for S/S romances, I never had a problem with them in ME1 or ME2 so why would ME3 be different? Oh right, S/S doesn't spark controversy unless it's M/M...lol

Or when it's your favorite character.

I hate when they try to make my favorite character straight....I have ESTABLISHED that they are ALL gay in MY game.
Now go play yours.

[Mr.House]

Ash looked better in ME then ME3. Turing her into a Miranda clone already damaged her character. Also Ash and the other romances but Steve, Sam and Liara have no established sexual preference. So the OOC or changing a character argument has no merits.

Also Garrus and Tali where never into Shepard in ME, but I didn't see people getting angry when you could romance them in ME2 and this interest came out of nowhere.

Modifié par Mr.House, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:31 .

[RavenEyry]

iamweaver wrote...

I haven't played DA2 yet (and I get the impresison that it's not all that great an RPG< so I probably won't), but I assume that was the goal of Bioware there. Or am I wrong?

Two of them came off as 'Hawke-sexual' to me but the other two seemed generally bi.

[wizardryforever]

kleindropper wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

kleindropper wrote...

Geez, here we go.  Maybe this will help explain things:

And this doesn't help at all, because of the way asari reproduction works.  Because it is a union of minds, there is no need for asari to have an organ specifically for impregnating each other.  But because they still give live birth, they need a birth canal.

But if the joining worked the way it does with humans, then asari would be true hermaphrodites, with both sets of equipment.  But that not only screws up the "can mate with anyone" thing, but would squick a lot of people out.

I'm assuming that Asari give birth and have a uterus and "vajajay" as Oprah calls it.  They obviously have breasts that produce milk for their young.  Asari produce the egg from which their offspring grow.

Based on their consistent diminuitive and womanly shape, they also seem to lack the Asari equivelent of testosterone, and the lack of a "package" in their tight fitting armor indicates there's nothing sticking out  in the swimsuit area.  These all point to Asari being 100% female by definition.  There is nothing pointing to them having any male characteristics; sexual preference does not in any way define gender.

And you ignored the point that I was making.  If the joining worked along lines that we are familiar with, then they would have male equipment.  The fact that they don't need it in order to impregnate each other doesn't mean that they aren't males in some capacity.  At the risk of examining it too closely (which was brought up by you, by the way), they wouldn't have any of the pleasure oriented features of female sexual anatomy either.  The extent of their female characteristics is in carrying and nursing a child, which is necessary since they give live birth.  They can act as either the male or the female in their relationships with each other in terms of reproduction.  This makes them hermaphrodites, or at least neither male or female. 

The joining itself is the alien thing about them, otherwise they would just be hermaphodites as we understand them.  But since the joining isn't actually sex in the way we understand it, they don't have/need organs for sex.  Since the only purpose for male reproductive organs is fertilization (we are fully equipped to "fire and forget," biologically speaking), and we don't play any further role in the creation of the child, it makes sense then that the asari wouldn't have male equipment.

[Little Princess Peach]

The Angry One wrote...

I've had such relationships since ME1, so meh?

Yes Liara does count whether you like it or not.

I don't think it dose count shes monogenderd or whatever shes called, theres no male or female equvilant in her race.

[spirosz]

Clearly, Bioware had some more intention with Ashley's ass in ME3, since it looks just like Miranda's in that one "skin-tight" outfit.

Look at her in ME2, flat BOOTY -



Nothing wrong with flat boooooooooooooooty.

Bioware disagrees.

[Mr.House]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I've had such relationships since ME1, so meh?

Yes Liara does count whether you like it or not.

I don't think it dose count shes monogenderd or whatever shes called, theres no male or female equvilant in her race.

Monogender=ONE GENDER. That one gnder=female.

Modifié par Mr.House, 31 juillet 2012 - 04:32 .

[spirosz]

Sex Appeal and Artistic Integrity are their favourite terms.

[SinnSly]

RavenEyry wrote...

Nearly every non-homophobe liked them because they were generally well written. I didn't see any real-life homosexuals getting offended, which is all that really matters

Well said.

I'm a lesbian and I don't see why any gays/lesbians would be offended.

I'm quite happy BioWare done it, but I'm happy with my Liara, but Sam is such a great character.

[wizardryforever]

iamweaver wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...
Men find different things sexy than women, that's why they were treated differently.

I'm male and I liked Ash's appearance more in 1. It annoys me that companies get so paranoid no one will find their characters sexy if they couldn't work in a fashion magazine.

This.  When I took Ashley with me on a mission in ME3, I always made her wear her ridiculous skimpy shirt and heels on the battle field, just for lolz.  Come on, really, Bioware?

Didn't think I needed to clarify, but I meant it in general terms.  Straight men are more likely to find sexy a woman in leather than a woman in combat armor.  Now we can argue as to whether or not Ashley or Kaidan needed to be sexualized, but they weren't treated differently in that regard.  It's not a double standard, and their characters didn't change otherwise.

[ticklefist]

Outside of pretending gay ppl act just like straight ppl, didn't care.

[Mr.House]

wizardryforever wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...
Men find different things sexy than women, that's why they were treated differently.

I'm male and I liked Ash's appearance more in 1. It annoys me that companies get so paranoid no one will find their characters sexy if they couldn't work in a fashion magazine.

This.  When I took Ashley with me on a mission in ME3, I always made her wear her ridiculous skimpy shirt and heels on the battle field, just for lolz.  Come on, really, Bioware?

Didn't think I needed to clarify, but I meant it in general terms.  Straight men are more likely to find sexy a woman in leather than a woman in combat armor.  Now we can argue as to whether or not Ashley or Kaidan needed to be sexualized, but they weren't treated differently in that regard.  It's not a double standard, and their characters didn't change otherwise.

Ash's new look contradicts what she said in ME. It was established(unlike her sexuality lol) that she is not big on make up and prefers nice heavy armor.

[RavenEyry]

I've made a small poll about Ashley's appearance now since it's become a hot topic.
http://social.biowar...03/polls/37623/

[flanny]

I'm glad it was put for mass effects gay fan base, while I myself don't consider romance arcs to a major part of bioware games, I know many people. Since DA already 'broke the ice', and with the whole Liara + Femshep romance there was little reason not to include it.

I do have a bit of a reservation about Kaiden's character being changed to suit the part, as it's pretty much established unless you never talked to him that he's interested in women. It would have been better if it had been just been cortez and the 'new character to explain things about the series to new fans character' instead of vega.

[iamweaver]

Mr.House wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...
Men find different things sexy than women, that's why they were treated differently.

I'm male and I liked Ash's appearance more in 1. It annoys me that companies get so paranoid no one will find their characters sexy if they couldn't work in a fashion magazine.

This.  When I took Ashley with me on a mission in ME3, I always made her wear her ridiculous skimpy shirt and heels on the battle field, just for lolz.  Come on, really, Bioware?

Didn't think I needed to clarify, but I meant it in general terms.  Straight men are more likely to find sexy a woman in leather than a woman in combat armor.  Now we can argue as to whether or not Ashley or Kaidan needed to be sexualized, but they weren't treated differently in that regard.  It's not a double standard, and their characters didn't change otherwise.

Ash's new look contradicts what she said in ME. It was established(unlike her sexuality lol) that she is not big on make up and prefers nice heavy armor.

Exactly.  Though somehow I hadn't consciously noticed how the armor was constructed to accent her attractiveness (specitifclly, the shot someone above included of the view from behind the NPC).  My MaleSHep romanced her, probably becasue I like prickly, strong-willed women who like 18th C literature.