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General User wrote...

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Tali should never have been allowed access to the engine room. Ash was right.

Ash is dead.

Then she died being right.


Once again, the writer for Tali confirmed that she did not steal the plans/design of the Normandy's stealthdrives

https://twitter.com/...829881854922752

Did I say Tali stole it?


Then your justification for Tali not being allowed near the Normany's engine is...?

Same as Ash's.  Tali was an alien of dubious background.  She should never have had intimate access to top-secret Alliance military technology.

Now, here's the part that I'm pretty sure is confusing you, Tali never should have been allowed acces to the technology... but she was.  First by Udina+Shepard+Adams then by TIM+Shepard.  Tali can hardly be said to have stolen what was dropped in her lap.

The fault doesn't lie with Tali, it lies with Udina, TIM, Adams, and (most of all) Shepard.


Yes, but from what the Tali's writer (Patrick Weekes) has said, Tali wasn't the one who gave the Quarians access, stolen or not, to stealth tech simular to the Normandy's. Word of god says they got it from other, non-Tali-realated, means/

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TheWerdna wrote...

Yes, but from what the Tali's writer (Patrick Weekes) has said, Tali wasn't the one who gave the Quarians access, stolen or not, to stealth tech simular to the Normandy's. Word of god says they get it from other, non-Tali-realated, means/

Not in that blurb he didn't.  What Mr. Weekes said there was that Tali didn't steal the technology.  And, for precisely the reason I explained, she didn't. 

Now, as a general principle, you should keep in mind that what creators intend and what actually ends up in their works needn't be the same.  If something is left unclear in a story then writer intentions communicated after the fact are to a large extent a "take it or leave it" proposition.  If, in some future work in the series, they choose to clarify a muddy issue, great.  If not, or until they do, it remains fair game for speculation. 

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Not in that blurb he didn't.  What Mr. Weekes said there was that Tali didn't steal the technology.  And, for precisely the reason I explained, she didn't.  

Now, as a general principle, you should keep in mind that what creators intend and what actually ends up in their works needn't be the same.  If something is left unclear in a story then writer intentions communicated after the fact are to a large extent a "take it or leave it" proposition.  If, in some future work in the series, they choose to clarify a muddy issue, great.  If not, or until they do, it remains fair game for speculation. 


That's understandable, but this whole issue stemms from 2 lines about a ship we don't ever see. There so little information, that a lot can be assumed, but there's almost no concrete info. I don't think that there was really much to read into.

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It seemed like you were arguing that since she stole, she shouldn't have been on the ship.

Well... I wasn't.

You see, Udina was right.  Tali hacked a geth data core, which was apparently qutie the accomplishment.  There's good reason to have Tali on the SR-1.  But she shouldn't have been allowed access to the engines, stealth systems, weapons, etc.

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Well... I wasn't.

You see, Udina was right.  Tali hacked a geth data core, which was apparently qutie the accomplishment.  There's good reason to have Tali on the SR-1.  But she shouldn't have been allowed access to the engines, stealth systems, weapons, etc.


No, after you explain it like that, you make a good point. I can understand the hesitation to have all those aliens on the ship. But they do prove trustworthy, which is good. 

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Well... I wasn't.

You see, Udina was right.  Tali hacked a geth data core, which was apparently qutie the accomplishment.  There's good reason to have Tali on the SR-1.  But she shouldn't have been allowed access to the engines, stealth systems, weapons, etc.


No, after you explain it like that, you make a good point. I can understand the hesitation to have all those aliens on the ship. But they do prove trustworthy, which is good. 

Turned out to be good for Shepard, and good for the Alliance, and good for the galaxy as a whole, I'm not so sure it was that good for Mass Effect though.  I mean, when I look at a story/setting where placing virtually unlimited faith and confidence in a gaggle of outcasts with emotional issues invariably makes for the best of all possible worlds, it's enough to makes me shrug my shoulders and say "eh, at least gameplay was fun."

Modifié par General User, 02 août 2012 - 03:27 .


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I'm amused that apparently the Salarians were able to scan the Normandy in the very short duration it was in contact with Salarian interests...

... but Tali must have maliciously stolen it for the quarians; because there was never a period in which the Normandy was in direct contact with the Flotilla or anythin... oh... wait...

What we are seeing here in this thread is a wonderful thing called "confirmation bias."

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General User wrote...

Turned out to be good for Shepard, and good for the Alliance, and good for the galaxy as a whole, I'm not so sure it was that good for Mass Effect though.  I mean, when I look at a story/setting where placing virtually unlimited faith and confidence in a gaggle of outcasts with emotional issues invariably makes for the best of all possible worlds, it's enough to makes me shrug my shoulders and say "eh, at least gameplay was fun."


Well I can't aggree with you there, I liked the characters, them and an interesting setting are what got me invested into the ME universe, but to each their own. 

Modifié par D24O, 02 août 2012 - 03:43 .


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I for one would be disappointed to find out Tali didn't steal the data. Of course I haven't found out yet, because obviously Twitter doesn't count.

You people with your thief-hate...

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chemiclord wrote...

I'm amused that apparently the Salarians were able to scan the Normandy in the very short duration it was in contact with Salarian interests...

... but Tali must have maliciously stolen it for the quarians; because there was never a period in which the Normandy was in direct contact with the Flotilla or anythin... oh... wait...

What we are seeing here in this thread is a wonderful thing called "confirmation bias."


Except, as has been pointed out, the Quarians still have the tech if you never make contact with the Flotilla.  If you don't recruit Tali in ME2 or you just don't do her loyalty mission they still get it.

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Yes, which is why I asked him how they did

https://twitter.com/...836210518593536


https://twitter.com/...835430885564417

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Rhayak wrote...

 When you start the Rannoch storyline, you dock with the Quarian Diplomatic vessel.

It's described as a vessel similar to other Quarian models, yet possessing a very advanced Stealth technology, not unlike that of the Normandy. It is also 'unsure' how the Quarians acquired such tech.

Then it hit me: IT WAS THAT TWO-TIMING **** TALI!!!!!!!!!!!!

All playing innocent nerdy schoolgirl in Mass Effect 2.... yet she would omni-tool-scan the hell out of your ship every single time you were not looking! Even after you agreed to be her lawyer free of charge!!!!! >:((((((

I swear that thought completely changed my overall feelings about her. And i mean over the whole trilogy.

What do you think? I mean yeah, giggly Quarian bums and all, but how can we really trust Tali? How many times would she sacrifice Shepard to give the flotilla the slightest edge?

I am now unsure about my decision to kill the Geth with my soldier on 1st playthrough. He might be a renegade, but sure as hell he is against slavery....

Actually the flotilla could have obtained the tech through other means, after all the Salarians apparently developed stealth dreadnoughts using similar tech, though I doubt Mordin had anything to do with that...
Also cyclonic shield technology is quarian tech, and we are using it on the Normandy, Legion could have easily looked at that and copied it for geth ships  or to find weaknesses on quarian ships for all we know...
Does that mean he did? I doubt it...

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Actually, no, you don't.

One can hate the quarians for their actions in the past and their actions in the present. Very, very few quarians are presented as actually accepting the idea that what their ancestors had done to the geth was wrong (in fact, only one comes outright and says that. Only one). Very few quarians present themselves as anything but "victims" of the geth uprising, when they, in fact, were the instigators and aggressors of the conflict in the first place. Very few quarians have been shown to be at least open to the idea of at least trying to genuinely broker peace with the geth.

When a race chooses to put a warmongerer like Han'Gerrel in a position where he alone can dictate what the fleet's actions are, they are responsible for everything he does (this is why I feel no remorse over letting the quarians die in games where I cannot make peace). Shala'Raan says that she *should* charge Han'Gerrel with treason...but she doesn't. Remember, there were five admirals voting on the geth war: Han and Xen voted for it, Tali and Zaal'Koris voted against it. The only way that the war would have gotten pushed through was if Shala voted for it.

The quarians are reaping what they've sown, and I can't feel sorry for a race that tries to paint itself as a victim in a war they started and chose to continue.

This is my last post (getting way off topic)

Point #1, you could say the same about humanity and the nice things we have done to others... Native Americans, and how we drove them out of thier homes, giving them blankets infected with smallpox, just so we could take over. I guess we should just blame humanity as a whole, even though we were not alive nor responsible for it.

My point is that you assume all Quarians are all like "ZOMG KILL ALL GETH!!1!!1!!!11!!" and try to generalize the entire populus based on a few military leaders. And that type of thinking is very immature and narrow-minded.

I guess you must hate all Germans because of WW2, I mean, they all went along with it. right? <_< 

inb4 "Oh noes! godwin's law!"

Point #2, So you feel no remorse for all the thousands of children, and millions of civilians that will die just because you disagree with some leaders? Lack of action is still an action. And you just sitting by while the, oh sooo innocent Geth, go on wipping them out; is a lack of action that ends with millions of innocence dead, when you could have stopped it. Nice "paragon" choice ya got thar.

Raan didn't charge him with treason because they are in the middle of taking back Rannoch, who's to say they wouldn't after the war? You think they just forgot about it? 

Point #3, Reaping what they've sown eh? Again, you could say the same for the Geth, Asari, or anyone for that matter, the only difference is that you are choosing to use it as a reason to hate Quarians as a whole. And it is very debatable whether or not what the Quarian's did in the mourning war was right or wrong.

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This amused us.

Hate is a feeling, an emotion. Emotions are subjective. Qualifying factors for an opinion are subjective.
I can't believe that you are actually trying to argue that opinions must be logical.

 

Your trying to act like a Geth? Seriously? Cause nobody else has ever done that before <_< 

 I am not trying to argue that opinions must be logical. I was only showing TS2Aggie how flawed her view is. Judging a race as a whole because thier leaders made a choice is indeed flawed, emotion has nothing to do with it. 
 

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DPSSOC wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

I'm amused that apparently the Salarians were able to scan the Normandy in the very short duration it was in contact with Salarian interests...

... but Tali must have maliciously stolen it for the quarians; because there was never a period in which the Normandy was in direct contact with the Flotilla or anythin... oh... wait...

What we are seeing here in this thread is a wonderful thing called "confirmation bias."


Except, as has been pointed out, the Quarians still have the tech if you never make contact with the Flotilla.  If you don't recruit Tali in ME2 or you just don't do her loyalty mission they still get it.


Execpt "Word of God" (or in this case, Tali's writer) says that she was not the one who gave the Flotilla that tech. So they somehow got it from other means.

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I was sure she was sending every detail about Normandy tech to the Quarians ever since ME1. And I let her. Cos I'm cool like that.


This

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TheWerdna wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

I'm amused that apparently the Salarians were able to scan the Normandy in the very short duration it was in contact with Salarian interests...

... but Tali must have maliciously stolen it for the quarians; because there was never a period in which the Normandy was in direct contact with the Flotilla or anythin... oh... wait...

What we are seeing here in this thread is a wonderful thing called "confirmation bias."


Except, as has been pointed out, the Quarians still have the tech if you never make contact with the Flotilla.  If you don't recruit Tali in ME2 or you just don't do her loyalty mission they still get it.


Execpt "Word of God" (or in this case, Tali's writer) says that she was not the one who gave the Flotilla that tech. So they somehow got it from other means.


Quarians are smart cookies when it comes to tech.  Here's a line of thought... Tali tells them about Normandy's stealth drive (which  is public knowledge IIRC... just now *how* it does it).  They think "How is that done?  Sink all the heat inside somehow... We don't have that tech though."  Along comes the (much maligned in gameplay value) Thermal Clip tech.  The cogs start turning in the quarian engineers' heads.  BAM, homegrown internal emissions sink stealth technology.

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I'll reiterate that I asked weekes via twitter how they got, he hinted at parallel development with Turians due to the fact they are friendly.

Tali did not send the data, the Turians and the Quarians must have shared ideas.

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Well...the Quarian could have stolen it....

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What happened to Shepard's money between games? Tali must have stolen Shepard's credit chit.

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I never thought the Turians were friendly with the flotilla, most races seem to look down upon the Quarians, at best they are ignored. So joint development with the Turians seems unlikely, perhaps they shared the tech during or after ME2? To give everyone a better chance against the reapers.
I still think it's much more likely they scanned the Normandy during Tali's loyalty mission, like the Salarians did.

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JesseLee202 wrote...
Your You're trying to act like a Geth? Seriously? Cause Because nobody else has ever done that before. <_< 

 I am I'm not trying to argue that opinions must be logical. I was only showing TS2Aggie how flawed her view is. Judging a race as a whole because thier their leaders made a choice is indeed flawed, emotion has nothing to do with it. 
 


Seeing as your initial sentence was;- "I'm gonna guess you hate the Quarians based on the leaders choices made in the MEverse." I would say it has everything to do with emotion.

You're not trying to argue opinions must be logical, but somehow manage to find a way to imply an opinion is incorrect because it isn't logical.


Smooth.

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I'm still upset I was never able to call Tali out on being a space gypsy

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I imagine the Quarians probably took information on the tech from the Turians. That would make sense.

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The god [Weekes] agrees.
Probably worked on the initial ideas together.

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Finn the Jakey wrote...

Well...the Quarian could have stolen it....


Okay, this comment wins

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