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[agu123]

Baa Baa wrote...

General User wrote...

Tali should never have been allowed access to the engine room. Ash was right.

Ash is dead.

                                                                             So is Tali.

[Dunabar]

Tali may or may not of taken the stealth Tech

or

Cerberus being able to pretty much build a 2nd version of the Normandy from the ground up

Which one do we truly want to worry about more?

[JesseLee202]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...
Seeing as your initial sentence was;- "I'm gonna guess you hate the Quarians based on the leaders choices made in the MEverse." I would say it has everything to do with emotion.

You're not trying to argue opinions must be logical, but somehow manage to find a way to imply an opinion is incorrect because it isn't logical.


Smooth.

*Looks like I hit a nerve with the Geth wannabe 

She is the one that stated she "hated" the Quarians, I simply guessed why - it was an accurate guess. 

I think you need to learn the definition of flawed. Emotion has nothing to do with that paragraph you quoted.

*Maybe you should pay more attention to the first point I made, instead of my spelling. 

*We I thought you would have appreciated a petty response.

Hate is an emotion, you stated the reasons for that emotion being evoked were flawed. Emotion doesn't have to be logical, that is why it cannot be flawed or faulty. It can be unreasonable or irrational, but not flawed.
Just because you tell someone that their opinion (view, sentiment, feeling, belief) is unreasonable doesn't mean they aren't entitled to it.

We I believe the orginal lines were "Why you no like quarians? Why you no hate asari instead?" (there are plenty of asari hate threads with reasons just as unreasonable as this one).
"You don't have to look far to hate the quarians" to which you replied "Yes, you do..etc"  - so people cannot hate (feeling, opinion and emotion) something because it's unreasonable? We I think you'll find that they can.

Flawed was a bad word use, my bad.

To the bold... Show me where I said this...

All I was trying to say with her, was that her hatred for the Quarians is hypocritical and narrow-minded. I never said that people cannot hate because its unreasonable, thats just absurd.

This is my last post. Has fun correcting spellingz errars on the interwebz.

[Ryzaki]

Dunabar wrote...

Tali may or may not of taken the stealth Tech

or

Cerberus being able to pretty much build a 2nd version of the Normandy from the ground up

Which one do we truly want to worry about more?

Cerberus has ties to the alliance. Obviously they'd be able to lift the schematics. Plus you kind of expect them to go behind people's backs and steal crap.

[Ryzaki]

chemiclord wrote...

I'm amused that apparently the Salarians were able to scan the Normandy in the very short duration it was in contact with Salarian interests...

... but Tali must have maliciously stolen it for the quarians; because there was never a period in which the Normandy was in direct contact with the Flotilla or anythin... oh... wait...

What we are seeing here in this thread is a wonderful thing called "confirmation bias."

You need to remember that Shepard doesn't have to ever gone to the Quarian fleet. So yeah. Nice try though.

[Ryzaki]

TS2Aggie wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

TS2Aggie wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Are people looking this hard for reasons to hate the Quarians/Tali?

You don't need to look that far to find reasons to hate the quarians, to be honest.

Actually, yes, you do.

And I'm gonna guess you hate the Quarians based on the leaders choices made in the MEverse.

Living in this world and historical facts should show you that political and military leaders never accurately represent what the civilian population wants as a whole.  Judging any group on such a large scale, such as a race, based solely on the actions of a few, is immature and narrow-minded.

Actually, no, you don't.

One can hate the quarians for their actions in the past and their actions in the present. Very, very few quarians are presented as actually accepting the idea that what their ancestors had done to the geth was wrong (in fact, only one comes outright and says that. Only one). Very few quarians present themselves as anything but "victims" of the geth uprising, when they, in fact, were the instigators and aggressors of the conflict in the first place. Very few quarians have been shown to be at least open to the idea of at least trying to genuinely broker peace with the geth.

When a race chooses to put a warmongerer like Han'Gerrel in a position where he alone can dictate what the fleet's actions are, they are responsible for everything he does (this is why I feel no remorse over letting the quarians die in games where I cannot make peace). Shala'Raan says that she *should* charge Han'Gerrel with treason...but she doesn't. Remember, there were five admirals voting on the geth war: Han and Xen voted for it, Tali and Zaal'Koris voted against it. The only way that the war would have gotten pushed through was if Shala voted for it.

The quarians are reaping what they've sown, and I can't feel sorry for a race that tries to paint itself as a victim in a war they started and chose to continue.

Agreed so hard.

[Dunabar]

So side with a Race that has drifted with pretty much no real allies or side with a group that has more than once been in bed with the Reapers? Sorry...choice is obvious, death to the Geth if peace is ever impossible.

[DirtySHISN0]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Flawed was a bad word use, my bad.

To the bold... Show me where I we said this...

All I was we were trying to say with her, was that her hatred for the Quarians is hypocritical and narrow-minded. I we never said that people cannot hate because its unreasonable, thats just absurd.

This is my our last post. Has fun correcting spellingz errars on the interwebz.

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[TheWerdna]

Ryzaki wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

I'm amused that apparently the Salarians were able to scan the Normandy in the very short duration it was in contact with Salarian interests...

... but Tali must have maliciously stolen it for the quarians; because there was never a period in which the Normandy was in direct contact with the Flotilla or anythin... oh... wait...

What we are seeing here in this thread is a wonderful thing called "confirmation bias."

You need to remember that Shepard doesn't have to ever gone to the Quarian fleet. So yeah. Nice try though.

But we also have confermation from Tali's writer that she did not steal it... so the quarians have to have gotten it from somewhere else. The question is, where then?

[Mahrac]

TheWerdna wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

I'm amused that apparently the Salarians were able to scan the Normandy in the very short duration it was in contact with Salarian interests...

... but Tali must have maliciously stolen it for the quarians; because there was never a period in which the Normandy was in direct contact with the Flotilla or anythin... oh... wait...

What we are seeing here in this thread is a wonderful thing called "confirmation bias."

You need to remember that Shepard doesn't have to ever gone to the Quarian fleet. So yeah. Nice try though.

But we also have confermation from Tali's writer that she did not steal it... so the quarians have to have gotten it from somewhere else. The question is, where then?

She didn't steal it. I let her look at everything she needed and told her to take notes when I made her chief engineer on the SR-2

[Ryzaki]

Dunabar wrote...

So side with a Race that has drifted with pretty much no real allies or side with a group that has more than once been in bed with the Reapers? Sorry...choice is obvious, death to the Geth if peace is ever impossible.

So side with the race that has constantly antagonized another race despite being warned not to since there's a greater threat and has no hesitations about blowing you up just to weaken them? Sorry choice is obvious. Death to the Quarians if peace is ever impossible. Heck forget peace being impossible. I side with the Geth regardless. Tali jumping off a cliff like a wimp instead of trying to stop Shepard like Legion was just icing.

Nice thing about different opinions eh? 

TheWerdna wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

I'm
amused that apparently the Salarians were able to scan the Normandy in
the very short duration it was in contact with Salarian interests...

...
but Tali must have maliciously stolen it for the quarians; because
there was never a period in which the Normandy was in direct contact
with the Flotilla or anythin... oh... wait...

What we are seeing here in this thread is a wonderful thing called "confirmation bias."

You need to remember that Shepard doesn't have to ever gone to the Quarian fleet. So yeah. Nice try though.

But
we also have confermation from Tali's writer that she did not steal
it... so the quarians have to have gotten it from somewhere else. The
question is, where then?

I don't abide by author is god so to me Tali having stole it is a perfectly valid and likely scenario.

Otherwise it makes no sense. Where the heck would the Quarians have gotten access to the Normandy's blueprints? It's not like they're friends with the turians, salarians or humans.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 04 août 2012 - 04:25 .

[Dunabar]

Maybe Shepard gave it to Tali to give to them just before he turned the Normandy over the Alliance?

I am still failing to understand where the big deal is in all of this. It's not like the Quarian people have a whole fleet of these ships with the stealth drive lol.

[MadCat221]

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't abide by author is god so to me Tali having stole it is a perfectly valid and likely scenario.

Because you want it to.

You are making facts fit theories instead of theories fitting facts.  You are purposefully disregarding facts that are contrary to your own biased opinion: in this case, statements from Tali's staff writer in favor of your dislike of Quarians.

Modifié par MadCat221, 04 août 2012 - 11:12 .

[Generic Screen Name]

I honestly don't care if she stole from me. She and her whole race ended up dead anyways.

[dublin omega 223]

Dunabar wrote...

Maybe Shepard gave it to Tali to give to them just before he turned the Normandy over the Alliance?

Good theory I have to agree with you, it makes perfect sense.

[Captain McBuck]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Didn't this get proved false a few days ago? I remember there was a tweet.

Edit: Here it is: https://twitter.com/...829881854922752 

With Respect to Mr Weekes I'm not really fond of BW using Twitter to make canon statments as 'word of god', if its canon it should have been in the game, and in the game all we got was a vague blurb where it was implied she could have stolen it. it actually would have been nice to get Tali and Shep to hash that out either way...either asking or out right accuing her of it, missed opertunity so instead we get Specilations

Honestly though my Shep adored Tali (didn't romance her - Femshep) she was like a kitten, being mean to her was like kicking a puppy. she just couldn;t do it.

[Ryzaki]

MadCat221 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

I don't abide by author is god so to me Tali having stole it is a perfectly valid and likely scenario.

Because you want it to.

You are making facts fit theories instead of theories fitting facts.  You are purposefully disregarding facts that are contrary to your own biased opinion: in this case, statements from Tali's staff writer in favor of your dislike of Quarians.

Oh? So what logical explanation that is plausible is there for the Quarians getting access to Normandy like schematics hmm? Other than Tali using her time working on the Normandy to help her people develop said tech. I'll wait for it.

And no I don't abide by WOG even when it supports things I do support so yeah try that bias crap somewhere else.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2012 - 09:35 .

[m2iCodeJockey]

Op, what the hell are you on about?

If you go through Tali's conversation tree in ME1, paragon Shepard effectively gives her the specs as payment for diversion from pilgrimage.
Returning to the Flotilla with the specs makes her a hero on top of being named as a Normandy crew member that defeated Saren and Sovereign.

Yes, I do know it was supposed to be top secret. Blame Shepard:
-Gives the top secret ship specs to a visiting alien on a tech quest.
-Wakes and employs a Genophage immune Krogan.
-Gives a fission weapon to a known psychopath to detonate on a garden planet (illegal.)
-Activates a Geth INSIDE THE AI CORE ROOM and gives it a name right after >>>it recites a line that Sovereign also said.<<<

I have more but, I digress...

[D24O]

Do I have to ask Mr. Weekes the same question again? The tweet I asked him has been posted to death, its over people, she didn't steal it.

[MadCat221]

m2iCodeJockey wrote...

Op, what the hell are you on about?

If you go through Tali's conversation tree in ME1, paragon Shepard effectively gives her the specs as payment for diversion from pilgrimage.
Returning to the Flotilla with the specs makes her a hero on top of being named as a Normandy crew member that defeated Saren and Sovereign.

Yes, I do know it was supposed to be top secret. Blame Shepard:
-Gives the top secret ship specs to a visiting alien on a tech quest.
-Wakes and employs a Genophage immune Krogan.
-Gives a fission weapon to a known psychopath to detonate on a garden planet (illegal.)
-Activates
a Geth INSIDE THE AI CORE ROOM and gives it a name right after
>>>it recites a line that Sovereign also said.<<<

I have more but, I digress...

1: Shep gave the Geth data that you acquire after a mission, not Normandy specs.

2: Grunt is not immune, he has the Genophage too.  He is the ultimate krogan insult to the Genophage: to be ignored.

3: What quote from Legion are you referring to?  Are you referring to where it was quoting Sovereign? Not the same as saying the line as its own words.