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[thehomeworld]

I didn't know that, but it's her so I consider it a pilgrimage gift 2.0.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 01 août 2012 - 06:15 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

At least she didn't whine to me for two games, and then pointed a gun at me.
And she can copy ship schematics, she decided to help me for three suicide missions, and it helps up defeat the Reapers anyway.

[Rhayak]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

At least she didn't whine to me for two games, and then pointed a gun at me.
And she can copy ship schematics, she decided to help me for three suicide missions, and it helps up defeat the Reapers anyway.

She could have ASKED you. Instead she treats you like an enemy.

Plus i hate how she corrects you by saying "IT" when you speak of Legion as a "He".

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Rhayak wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

At least she didn't whine to me for two games, and then pointed a gun at me.
And she can copy ship schematics, she decided to help me for three suicide missions, and it helps up defeat the Reapers anyway.

She could have ASKED you. Instead she treats you like an enemy.

Plus i hate how she corrects you by saying "IT" when you speak of Legion as a "He".

She not once treated me like an enemy, and like I said before, I have no problem without her asking, she's done enough.

Also, have you forgotten how she tells Legion he has a soul if you conclude peace between the Geth and the Quarians.

[incinerator950]

Amazed the rest of the Quarians don't have Cyclonic Barriers and Thanix Cannons. Probably means some other Quarians stole it, and not Tali.

[Rhayak]

She not once treated me like an enemy

She took stuff from you without asking, in the eventuality that you might say NO. That is treating you like an enemy.

Also, have you forgotten how she tells Legion he has a soul if you conclude peace between the Geth and the Quarians.

Exactly. She only says so if everything plays fine and dandy (Peace or dead Geth). 10 seconds before that she was crying "You can't pick the Geth!!!!"

[Khajiit Jzargo]

[quote]Rhayak wrote...



She took stuff from you without asking, in the eventuality that you might say NO. That is treating you like an enemy.[/quote]
When my good friends go to my house to do a research paper,and they take a peek at my paper to find some information, I don't see that as a sign as hostility, I see that as a sign of friendship because were willing to share with no problem. Besides also how she was willing to share with me when I had to upgrade my ship, and it's not she's stealing from the alliance.

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Exactly. She only says so if everything plays fine and dandy (Peace or dead Geth). 10 seconds before that she was crying "You can't pick the Geth!!!!" [/quote]
No because she's suppose to be shouting "Kill my species!"
It's just human nature and common sense to put the survival of your species above anything else.



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Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 01 août 2012 - 09:27 .

[DPSSOC]

incinerator950 wrote...

Amazed the rest of the Quarians don't have Cyclonic Barriers and Thanix Cannons. Probably means some other Quarians stole it, and not Tali.

Or they don't have the means to produce Thanix Cannons (Cyclonic Barriers are a Quarian design) considering Tali points out in ME1 that they don't have the resources to produce even basic ship parts on their own.  This also explains why the Quarian stealth system doesn't work as well as the Normandy.  Alternatively it could be because none of their ships have the power necessary to fire a Thanix.

[Rhayak]

When my good friends go to my house to do a research paper,and they take a peek at my paper to find some information, I don't see that as a sign as hostility, I see that as a sign of friendship because were willing to share with no problem.

Yeah, the scale is a little larger than that. Theft of military technology is dead serious, not like copying from your term paper.

Besides also how she was willing to share with me when I had to upgrade my ship,

She offered you Cyclonic tech and you took it. Shepard didn't snatch it from a Quarian vessel that hosted him.

and it's not she's stealing from the alliance.

No. She's stealing directly from you.

No because she's suppose to be shouting "Kill my species!"

"The death of the creators saddens us"

The Quarians, on the other hand, are more than happy to erase every remaining geth from the Galaxy if you pick them.

I am seriously reconsidering who is more deserving to live.

Not ONCE does Tali acknowledge Legion's life, unless he is dead and no other admiral is around to hear her.

[ElementL09]

Tali Vas Normandy....yeah, she can take whatever she wants.

[Rhayak]

ElementL09 wrote...

Tali Vas Normandy....yeah, she can take whatever she wants.

Precisely.

She didn't have to steal.

Yet she did.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Yeah, the scale is a little larger than that. Theft of military technology is dead serious, not like copying from your term paper.

stealing from Cerberus, a Quarian enemy who attacked their ships, and doing something I was probably going to do as well, does not count as theft to me, more like a smart stragetic military move.

She offered you Cyclonic tech and you took it. Shepard didn't snatch it from a Quarian vessel that hosted him.

She offered to me like nothing, if she wants to take something in return, especially from something not from the Alliance, not from me, but from Cerberus, which I was probably going to do the same by giving information to alliance as well, She's not stealing from me, neither do I consider it theft.

No. She's stealing directly from you.

I don't consider it theft, She's stealing from Cerberus, A quarian enemy. 

"The death of the creators saddens us"

The Quarians, on the other hand, are more than happy to erase every remaining geth from the Galaxy if you pick them.

I am seriously reconsidering who is more deserving to live.

Not ONCE does Tali acknowledge Legion's life, unless he is dead and no other admiral is around to hear her.

Uhm no. Tali opposed the invasion, she helps you tell the admirals to call of the attack, in the dreadnought mission she feels wrong for doing what she did, and is very saddened if Legion is killed. 

When Legion is uploading the code, he has time to speak and show his sadness for killing the Quarians. In the other hand if you side with the Quarians, Legion just attacks you, therefore she has to respond and shows her sadness after.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 01 août 2012 - 10:25 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

I'm greatly disappointed. The Games go out of there way to explain that the Quarian stereotypes are incorrect but it turns out, they are correct.

It's also sad. All they had to was ask. I'm sure the Alliance wouldn't refuse such useful technology in such a critical time but stealing it? That's just low.

[Those Protheans]

This was in Mass effect 2, not Mass effect 1.
So no gives two f**ks because it is just Cerberus.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

I'm greatly disappointed. The Games go out of there way to explain that the Quarian stereotypes are incorrect but it turns out, they are correct.

It's also sad. All they had to was ask. I'm sure the Alliance wouldn't refuse such useful technology in such a critical time but stealing it? That's just low.

This was Cerberus, not the Alliance.

[Rhayak]

stealing from Cerberus, a Quarian enemy who attacked their ships, and doing something I was probably going to do as well, does not count as theft to me, more like a smart stragetic military move.

not from me, but from Cerberus, which I was probably going to do the same by giving information to alliance as well, She's not stealing from me, neither do I consider it theft.

I don't consider it theft, She's stealing from Cerberus, A quarian enemy. 

YOUR ship, YOUR mission. IF there is one thing Shepard and most squadmates reiterate through the whole of Mass Effect 2, is that it is YOU they work for, not cerberus. 
You're making a very weak, almost bureaucratic point.

Uhm no. Tali opposed the invasion.

Because she didn't want to bring her people into war. Certainly not because she cared about the Geth. 

she helps you tell the admirals to call of the attack.

 

She only does so because Shepard tells her. If Shepard sides with the Geth, she doesn't even have the strenght to attempt a last moment stop. Some love for her species alright.

in the dreadnought mission she feels wrong for doing what she did, and is very saddened if Legion is killed. 

LOL sounds almost like that South Park episode where the head of British Petroleum is "very sorry" for the utter devastation wrought in the gulf XD

Seriously, Tali is just one Quarian. And a whimsical one. When Legion and the Prime say they are saddened, they speak for all the Geth.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

I always found it amusing that the Geth Prime shows more sadness about the destruction of the Quarians than the Quarians do about the Geth.

[F4H bandicoot]

Again, why does it matter?? They aren't using our own tech against us for one, it's simply on one of the Quarian ships. Are we going to get angry at Cerberus too for stealing the original designs for the ship and rebuilding it?/ Or the salarians for scanning the ship and applying the tech to a dreadnought?? They did all this without asking. If you're gonna **** about one of these, you might as well **** about all of them.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

But when did become another Geth-Quarian debate thread?

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Rhayak wrote...

YOUR ship, YOUR mission. IF there is one thing Shepard and most squadmates reiterate through the whole of Mass Effect 2, is that it is YOU they work for, not cerberus. 
You're making a very weak, almost bureaucratic point.

Exactly my ship, and in my ship I have no problem with them taking technology from Cerberus to benefit their own race, If given the choice in the game, I would have given out that information to all the species so they would be better prepare against the Reapers. and yes they work for me, but the technology is from Cerberus, note how she doesn't take anything why you were with the alliance, and when she does want something for her pilgrimage, she asks you because it's the alliance, not cerberus.

Because she didn't want to bring her people into war. Certainly not because she cared about the Geth.

obviously the main reason is because she didn't want to bring her people into war, but it's very clear that she's more friendlier to the geth during the events of ME3. Also, what do you expect? A girl raised by an admiral, who wanted to kill the Geth and spoke to her about her homeworld, a culture that since they were kids were told war stories and how the Geth were evil. What did you expect? A big warm smile? Complete ensureness on the Geth?

she helps you tell the admirals to call of the attack.


She only does so because Shepard tells her. If Shepard sides with the Geth, she doesn't even have the strenght to attempt a last moment stop. Some love for her species alright.

Maybe because her position as admiral is more symbolic, and doesn't hold as much powers as the other admirals. She specifically tells her, she was made an admiral because of her expirience with the Geth, not because of her wisdom or war expertise. Even if she would have tried, I doubt she could have made Gerrel back down from the attack, only Shepard could, because he even holds more authority than Tali, Hence why Tali supports him, and he takes charge.

LOL sounds almost like that South Park episode where the head of British Petroleum is "very sorry" for the utter devastation wrought in the gulf XD

Seriously, Tali is just one Quarian. And a whimsical one. When Legion and the Prime say they are saddened, they speak for all the Geth.

No, It shows a species put down their grievances and all the hateful things said about the Geth aside, little by little, they become more accepting, a thing of beuty.

[dublin omega 223]

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Ticonderoga117 wrote...

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Good theory and its very plausible, Tali just doesn't like the type to steal any tech.

Especially since she asks you if she can have the Geth data in ME1.

Exactly and besides the Quarians would only steal cause the Fasicist Council as I call them treat like fifth class citizens.

Why wouldn't you? The Migrant Fleet strip mines entire systems of resources. Their population would strain any agriworld or Commerce planet. They're regarded as gypsies because they salvage so much tech and many ships to continue living the way they do. They don't integrate into society, and they proved the Councils Ban on AI Research for a reason when they were driven from their homeworld.

Whether you like it or not, stereotypes form for a reason.

Well considering how the Fasicist Council threatens to kill the Quarians if they try to settle on a planet, its no surprise they salvage so much tech, after all when you are homeless you become desperate and people who are desperate will do anything to survive.

History has taught us that look at the battle of Leiningrad during WW2 for example.

Source? I really doubt it. The problem is that to settle on a new planet they'd have to find on that supported dextro-ammino based life.

Look up the planet Ekuna on ME Wiki and you'll see what I mean.

Ah, didn't know about that. Still, colonizing the planet without asking for permission from the council was an illegal act, if they hadn't acted on that it would have set a really bad precedent. Other races could colonize any world they wanted without any consequences, citing the council's leniency for the Quarians. Those rules are there for a reason.

Funny the Asari kept a Prothean beacon on Thessia all for themselves, and thats against Council law, I guess the law doesn't apply to the Council. Still threatening to kill them to get them off Ekuna was wrong, shame you couldn't confront the Council about it, in a way they are worse then the Reapers.

The Asari are hypocrites, certainly. But you can't justify a wrong doing with another one. Also, the EKuna matter was of public record, it had to be resolved by the book, whatever skeletons the Council races keep in their closets doesn't affect that, they have deniability.

All Council member species are hyprocrites, the Salarians remodified the genophage not to mention the Dalatrass and her attempt to make a secret deal in exchange for sabotaging the genophage cure not to mention uplifting the Krogan in the first place, The first contact war where Turians attack a species for breaking a law they had no knowledge about.

The Alliance for having Cerberus do their dirty work before they went 'rogue' offically and also tearing the Normandy apart and rebuiliding it after claimiming it for themselves.

[AxStapleton]

When did this become a Tali hate thread?

[JBPBRC]

AxStapleton wrote...

When did this become a Tali hate thread?

Because everyone knows Quarians are just CLANLESS THIEVES. This coming from the race that produced a BIOTIC GOD, so naturally they must be correct.

[AxStapleton]

By this assumption, Garrus technically stole the designs of the Thanix cannon from the Turian Hierachy (who in turn developed this without telling anyone else until they'd finished it) and applied it to the Normandy which was a Cerberus ship. At that point, he had barely any ranking in the Hierachy and only went up the meritocracy when he told his Dad everything about the Collectors and the Reapers which was probably after Arrival.

I'm sure nobody here was complaining.

Modifié par AxStapleton, 01 août 2012 - 12:00 .

[dublin omega 223]

AxStapleton wrote...

By this assumption, Garrus technically stole the designs of the Thanix cannon from the Turian Hierachy (who in turn developed this without telling anyone else until they'd finished it) and applied it to the Normandy which was a Cerberus ship. At that point, he had barely any ranking in the Hierachy and only went up the meritocracy when he told his Dad everything about the Collectors and the Reapers which was probably after Arrival.

I'm sure nobody here was complaining.

You've got a point there.