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[keesio74]

'cause I killed Loghain (or let Alistair do it). I really didn't think I'd feel like that. Loghain did so many f**ked up things including trying to assassinate me. But the way he accepted defeat and yielded like a man... and to see Anora weep for him was rough. I wish he was a bit more defiant and spiteful at the end so that killing him would have felt easier. But I'm sure that is what Bioware wanted us to struggle with.

I also felt bad becauase Cauthrien begged me to show sympathy to Loghain (I used a persuade skill on her to make her yield). For whatever reason I like Cauthrien

Also I felt rotten putting Alistair on the throne, esp because he is whining about it. Anora was the better choice even though she betrayed me at Landsmeet.

Maybe I should have Anora and Alistair wed. I dunno.

Anyway... WOW! What a moment. Hats off to Bioware for emotionally drawing me in like that.

[Gold Dragon]

A Hardened Alistair will not Whine.

To spare Loghain, Alistair must not duel him. If Loghain is killed by Alistair, then Anora will NOT wed him, regardless of any prior preparations. Note: For PC Noblemen (human noble Origin as male), if the PC kills Loghian, You can't marry Anora and become King.....

So many choices....

Agreed.  Hats off to Bioware!

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 20 décembre 2009 - 06:20 .

[Nobody Important]

Hardened Alistair marrying Anora and sparing Loghain is the best option imo.

[keesio74]

A Golden Dragon wrote...



To spare Loghain, Alistair must not duel him. If Loghain is killed by Alistair, then Anora will NOT wed him, regardless of any prior preparations.

I actually duelled him and beat him into submission. But I let Alistair execute him because I couldn't find the desire to do so myself.

In that scenario is it considered that Alistair killed him? And if Alistair duels him do you even have the option to spare Loghain's life?

[keesio74]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

A Hardened Alistair will not Whine.

I think an unhardended Alistair is not the right choice for the throne

[jennamarae]

keesio74 wrote...

I think an unhardended Alistair is not the right choice for the throne

^ I agree.

An unhardened Alistair also makes me feel like I killed somebodies kitten if I spare Loghain too though.

[SeanMurphy2]

I did not want to execute Loghain. So I thought telling Alistair to do it would make him back down and reconsider. Like what happened with Zevran.

But then he chopped off Loghain's head.

Modifié par SeanMurphy2, 20 décembre 2009 - 10:03 .

[Ponce de Leon]

The whole situation so terribly reminded me of Tamoko asking to spare Sarevok's life, but that's probably because... well, it's Bioware

[Tuimic]

I was playing with an eye for an eye style of mind. Many people including Duncan died because of Loghains actions. I thought it best to let Alister do it.



I'm currently playing as a different char now and may let Loghain live in order to see the different endings.

[Magic Zarim]

I let Alistair kill Loghain as well, it seemed the proper thing to do. My PC regarded him a friend, because of his whiney nature my PC eventually became the big brother to him. I didn't harden him though ( didn't know about that yet) and yet I made him King. He does take the job even while objecting if you tell him you will support and assist him.



When my PC was burried it was cool to see Al take up his job and call the right choices as the new King. Good boy

[bas273]

I married Alistair and became Queen. For 50 hours I was looking forward to the moment when I could kill Loghain. When I finally had the chance, it was a tough decision. I almost accepted him as a Grey Warden but I knew Alistair would leave the party if I did. So I killed Loghain :innocent:.

Modifié par bas273, 20 décembre 2009 - 10:29 .

[Tenshinhan91]

I killed Loghain myself, there was no other option. He just had to die for what he did.

Even though I made Anora alone ruler, a choice that made me deeply unsatisfied. She messed with the Alienage!

The reason i choose her were mostly because Alistair whined to much about being royal blood, and I was a selfish, tired hero, that much rather went travelling with my loved one (Leilana. Oh, how sweet it is with a lesbian realtionship) than control a lost country. (You have to agree, Ferelden is pretty much messed up).

[TcheQ]

Sparing Loghain is the smartest choice for Ferelden. Alastair is just a whiny douchebag.



"sneaky witch thief!"



ugh

[Xandurpein]

First time I played through the game I wasn't prepared for all the choices I would face. I had talked Anora into marryying me without thinking really. I meant to talk her into marrying alistair, when she suddenly thought I was talking about me, and I think I figured Ferelden needed me and I'd make a better King than Alistair. Before I knew it was at the Landsmeet and decided to duel Loghain myself as it seemed weak to let someone else do it. I was a bit taken when he surrendered and Riordan came up with his diea. Since Loghain had surrendered I figured laws of the duel meant I should spare him and got totally dumb-struck when Alistair threw his tantrum. The rest was predictable. I had played almost the entire game with me, Morrigan, alistair and Leliana. When the Archdemon was dead they all left me. Alistair betrayed us all, Morrigan took off and Leliana got predictably upset about me marrying the Queen. I felt like had sacrificed every emotional bond I had made in the game for the best of Ferelden. The only bright spot in the end was that Anora seemed pretty sweet about our marriage. I know things may turn out less rosy married to her, but I think I really needed to believe that could work out just then. All in all an amazing experience. I must say that an ending like this, when you really felt that you have made some big sacrifices to win, fto me is a much more rewarding experience than a cheap easy happy end.

[Vicious]

It's pretty weird that Alistair will happily kill a defeated enemy who has yielded honorably right in front of his only daughter with her father's blood staining her face, but he gets mad if I do anything remotely similar, Conner,Isolde,random people.



Anyway I can't keep Alistair anymore in my playthroughs, guy is really hypocritical to the point of I roll my eyes whenever he opens his mouth.

[riptide1246]

I have a feeling everyone would've felt a lot better after the Landsmeet had there been cake...

[Recidiva]

I do think that hardened Alistair married to Anora and sparing Loghain is the best for Ferelden.

Unfortunately it's no fun. But oh well.

Yaaay!  Everyone hates me!  I...win?

Modifié par Recidiva, 20 décembre 2009 - 12:45 .

[LynxAQ]

Clearly the best option is to convert Loghain into a GW and appoint Anora as Queen and off with Alistairs head. No longer have to put up with that constant annoying wimpy whining.

[Creature 1]

Xandurpein wrote...
The only bright spot in the end was that Anora seemed pretty sweet about our marriage. I know things may turn out less rosy married to her, but I think I really needed to believe that could work out just then.

I think she'd be a good wife.  Her first husband was an idiot puppy but she was fond of him and apparently had a large role in governing.  Hopefully your PC is more rational than the deceased king, and if she can respect his opinions I'd think they would make good co-rulers. 

[Time4Tiddy]

Vicious wrote...

It's pretty weird that Alistair will happily kill a defeated enemy who has yielded honorably right in front of his only daughter with her father's blood staining her face, but he gets mad if I do anything remotely similar, Conner,Isolde,random people.

Anyway I can't keep Alistair anymore in my playthroughs, guy is really hypocritical to the point of I roll my eyes whenever he opens his mouth.

I'm not sure I agree.  Loghain is responsible for the death of Alistair's "father figure" Duncan as well as all of Alistair's Grey Warden buddies, his first and only friends prior to you.  He also nearly kills Alistair's other father figure, Arl Eamon (or does kill him, depending how you resolve that).  This would be akin to Alistair telling a human noble to spare Arl Howe after you've seen your nephew's cold raped corpse on the floor.

And that's just the personal side...

Big picture, Loghain's desertion/betrayal at the beginning of the game is what caused ALL of the chaos and months of hardship.  Hundreds if not thousands of families have lost loved ones because the Blight was able to spread out of Korcari.  It's only because the vast majority of the nobles don't really know what happened at Ostagar that they don't rush him and tear him apart themselves.

[Alastrian]

riptide1246 wrote...

I have a feeling everyone would've felt a lot better after the Landsmeet had there been cake...

Yeah what the hell? Surely Sten isn't the only one bitter about the cake being a lie.

[Recidiva]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

I'm not sure I agree.  Loghain is responsible for the death of Alistair's "father figure" Duncan as well as all of Alistair's Grey Warden buddies, his first and only friends prior to you.  He also nearly kills Alistair's other father figure, Arl Eamon (or does kill him, depending how you resolve that).  This would be akin to Alistair telling a human noble to spare Arl Howe after you've seen your nephew's cold raped corpse on the floor.

And that's just the personal side...

Big picture, Loghain's desertion/betrayal at the beginning of the game is what caused ALL of the chaos and months of hardship.  Hundreds if not thousands of families have lost loved ones because the Blight was able to spread out of Korcari.  It's only because the vast majority of the nobles don't really know what happened at Ostagar that they don't rush him and tear him apart themselves.

Right, so surely turning Loghain into what he hates and feeding him to a dragon is revenge in gilt.

Big picture.

Not to mention both Alistair and I get to live without resorting to an evil act.

Modifié par Recidiva, 20 décembre 2009 - 01:35 .

[jakasywa]

This decision is, in my opinion, very similar to the one you make during the werewolves story.

It is all about the final outcome.

Do we look only at the target of one's behavior or do we look at every single move that he made to reach his goal.

In Loghain's case I think all he wanted to do is to protect Ferelden at any cost - look at it from his point of view: Caillan was a complete fail to myths, epic battles and so on. former king's fascination in Gray Wardens led to Loghain's retreat (MacTir was a hero from the war against Orlais and Wardens wanted to bring orlaisian backup to Ferelden - I think he feared betrayal from the side of Orlais).

Also consider the fact that the same amount of darkspawn (or even smaller taking our efforts during quests in consideration) except of big, filthy demondragon, present in Ostagar managed to take over Denerim - would Loghain's soldiers change much? Don't think so except the fact that the battle would last longer - everyone probably would die out there...

I don't think that Loghain was pure and nice - he is the prisoner of his own believes and memories - remember Churchill and other important historical figures - they were all somehow bad or addicted but led their countries to prosperity and victory (only Hitler was free from flaws at the very beginning - he was a war hero, a good son and a politic).

Last thing: look at Bahlen - he is bad, evil and even more dark then Loghain but he is the best thing that happened to dwarves since very long time - strong personalities are hard to co-op with but they are the best choice for their people...

Spare Loghain for success if you care about Ferelden (even if my second character fel in love with Mr Knight Whinealot).

[Koralis]

Recidiva wrote...

Not to mention both Alistair and I get to live without resorting to an evil act.

Evil?   Justice isn't evil.. it often isn't nice though. 

Loghain was worse than merely being a traitor.  He committed Regicide by his planned withdrawal of troops.   The highest of capital offenses, he deserved torture in the dungeons of the castle for years, not a quick death.

Modifié par Koralis, 20 décembre 2009 - 01:48 .