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[jtdragon100]

what do mean by 'hardened' alistair

[jtdragon100]

what do mean by 'hardened' alistair

[Asylumer]

jtdragon100 wrote...

what do mean by 'hardened' alistair

On his personal quest to meet his sister you can toggle the "harden" flag on his character, which changes his dialogue options some.

[robertthebard]

jtdragon100 wrote...

what do mean by 'hardened' alistair

If, when you do his quest in Denerim, for his sister, you can harden him after the encounter by telling him that everybody is out for themselves, or something very like that.  He will make a better king that way, and will also be open to a 3some with Isabela.

[Merilsell]

Oh, wow. Another one of this landsmeet-Loghain/Alistair-threats. We haven´t had this discussion before. Honestly, this forum never cease to amaze me.[/irony]

*yawns*

Wake me up if you have something new to discuss, yeah? Thx.

[Vicious]

Recidiva wrote...

Sacrifice Challenge:

When does Alistair make a personal sacrifice in the game? Ever?

The PC has to make a ton of them and drag everyone through their personal therapy sessions.

When does Alistair? He hates the load of leadership and won't take it or give advice, but he WILL spank you for making almost any choice unless it's the most blindly idealistic and involves assuming the order you belong to is the ethical equivalent of hospital candy stripers.

Where does HE make a personal sacrifice that benefits the PC and costs him something dearly?

Dying against orders doesn't count. 

rofl so true.

[robertthebard]

Vicious wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

Sacrifice Challenge:

When does Alistair make a personal sacrifice in the game? Ever?

The PC has to make a ton of them and drag everyone through their personal therapy sessions.

When does Alistair? He hates the load of leadership and won't take it or give advice, but he WILL spank you for making almost any choice unless it's the most blindly idealistic and involves assuming the order you belong to is the ethical equivalent of hospital candy stripers.

Where does HE make a personal sacrifice that benefits the PC and costs him something dearly?

Dying against orders doesn't count. 

rofl so true.

The Alistair Fan Club will say telling you he's Maric's son is the most traumatizing thing he could ever do.  After all, you might look at him differently, or try to make him be King so you can end Loghain's power base.  You know, logical stuff.

[blazin130791]

i'll be saving lghain everytime from now on unless im playing a tank. alistair lost his charm after myfirst play through.

[jennamarae]

Obadiah wrote...

jennamarae wrote...

^ I agree.

An unhardened Alistair also makes me feel like I killed somebodies kitten if I spare Loghain too though.

Unhardened Alistair on the throne worked out pretty well in my playthough. Of course I took the deal at the end and became Chancellor.

I haven't tried putting him on the throne unhardened as a male PC yet. May have to try that one. I took a landsmeet save from a previous playthrough and saved Loghain so I can take him to Ostagar once the DLC is released and forgot that my character on that one was in a romance with Alistair and he wasn't hardened. Boy did his dialogue make me feel like a royal witch..

[VanDraegon]

I just cant let that bastard live. On my second run through, i actually let Loghain live but Alistair left. I actually went back to an earlier save and killed Loghain because of all the crappy things he did, it just didnt sit right with me letting him get off with a "I was wrong, im sorry". No can do, off with his head!

[keesio74]

Well I finally finished this game for the first time. I feel better about my decision. At the end, Alistair looks like he'll be alright... especially with Eamon pulling the strings. And from the ending, it looks like Alistair will be good for the city elves too, unlike Anora (from what I've read). Being a city elf myself, that is a big plus.

[fantasypisces]

I do have to admit that Alistair makes you feel bad if you let Loghain live, ESPECIALLY if you have him executed (I was so evil when I was going for those couple of achievements, then promptly reloaded because I felt guilty)... the whole "I hope you get what's coming to you... ALL OF YOU!"... I sacrificed myself because of that.

[Lord Abrasion]

LynxAQ wrote...

Clearly the best option is to convert Loghain into a GW and appoint Anora as Queen and off with Alistairs head. No longer have to put up with that constant annoying wimpy whining.

This is what I'd like to do, so I have to ask. Is it actually possible?

[Gold Dragon]

Lord Abrasion wrote...

LynxAQ wrote...

Clearly the best option is to convert Loghain into a GW and appoint Anora as Queen and off with Alistairs head. No longer have to put up with that constant annoying wimpy whining.

This is what I'd like to do, so I have to ask. Is it actually possible?

When Anora is announced Queen, she wants to kill Alistair to stop him from Claiming the Throne.

[keesio74]

What happens if Loghain dies, Alistair is king (alone) and Anora is locked up and the Alistair dies to kill the archdemon? And I am an elf. Who is king?

[Mikka-chan]

They'll take Anora back out of the tower to make her Queen.



Also, the Landsmeet is a major 'owch' scene, and Alistair and Loghain are both ridiculous, just a bit. Which one is less ridiculous to me seems to depend on what sort of character I'm playing.

[keesio74]

Mikka-chan wrote...

They'll take Anora back out of the tower to make her Queen.

Also, the Landsmeet is a major 'owch' scene, and Alistair and Loghain are both ridiculous, just a bit. Which one is less ridiculous to me seems to depend on what sort of character I'm playing.

And if Anora is made Queen, does she hold a grudge against you?

Also I don't think Loghain is ridiculous. He was at first being the deranged fallen hero turned villian I was fully expecting. Then when you break him, he yields and his once honerable side surfaces one last time (before Alistar chops his head off). That bit surprised me a bit. BUt I didn't think it ridiculous.

Now Alistair was a little ridiculous.

[LoneStarGazer]

I finished my first play-through a week or so ago as a human noble rogue. I married Anora and became king.

IMO, one of the things which sets DAO apart from other RPGs I've looked at is the interactive characters are so believable and interesting. It's very believable (to me) for example that Morrigan was raised outside of "normal" human society, and in the words of Alistair has never had a friend.

What I like most is playing through a little slower this time. While this character is "still me", and I'm waiting to see what happens, I am looking forward to playing the game as an "other self". We always imagine and wonder what life would be if we were someone different. That is the beauty of a good RPG in general and DAO in particular.

I cannot wait to play as an "SOB".

[EvilIguana966]

My problem is that inducting Loghain into the Wardens is a tremendous risk. We know that he redeems himself but my character would have no reason at all to trust him. The reality is that few people undergo complete conversions of their character and even fewer do it in the blink of an eye. It is foolish to trust Loghain to watch your back given the crimes that he has committed.



At the same time, I did not like that my only other option was to kill him on the spot. My character is a warrior, not an executioner. It doesn't seem right to behead him right there, in full view of his daughter and every noble in Ferelden. He should have been taken away to prison to await execution as prescribed by the laws of Ferelden. That is how justice is done.

[robertthebard]

EvilIguana966 wrote...

My problem is that inducting Loghain into the Wardens is a tremendous risk. We know that he redeems himself but my character would have no reason at all to trust him. The reality is that few people undergo complete conversions of their character and even fewer do it in the blink of an eye. It is foolish to trust Loghain to watch your back given the crimes that he has committed.

At the same time, I did not like that my only other option was to kill him on the spot. My character is a warrior, not an executioner. It doesn't seem right to behead him right there, in full view of his daughter and every noble in Ferelden. He should have been taken away to prison to await execution as prescribed by the laws of Ferelden. That is how justice is done.

You better activate Shield Wall, and get ready, the Alistair Fan Club may want to have a few poop slinging sessions with you.

[Original182]

EvilIguana966 wrote...

My problem is that inducting Loghain into the Wardens is a tremendous risk. We know that he redeems himself but my character would have no reason at all to trust him. The reality is that few people undergo complete conversions of their character and even fewer do it in the blink of an eye. It is foolish to trust Loghain to watch your back given the crimes that he has committed.

At the same time, I did not like that my only other option was to kill him on the spot. My character is a warrior, not an executioner. It doesn't seem right to behead him right there, in full view of his daughter and every noble in Ferelden. He should have been taken away to prison to await execution as prescribed by the laws of Ferelden. That is how justice is done.

Alistair fan club would have no problem with you because here you are not attacking Alistair, and are correct in saying that Loghain does not deserve to live, just that maybe it should be done in a proper manner, away from her own daughter, etc.

Unlike the Alistair haters, who not only unfairly attack Alistair with a passion that borders on the fanatical, but they actually RECRUIT Loghain despite what he has done. Not only are they haters, they are morally impaired and have flawed logic.

They judge Alistair for leaving, but in order for that scenario to happen, they have to recruit Loghain, the same man who swore to defend Ferelden but left Cailan and the Grey Wardens to die.

Loghain leaving the King and Grey Wardens to die: Acceptable
Alistair leaving the party: OMG he's such a cry baby wimp, whining and getting drunk, etc, etc.

Modifié par Original182, 21 décembre 2009 - 04:48 .

[Tragick Flaw]

Originally, I had no qualms over slaying Loghain, but when I actually got to the sequence I felt quite bad despite it being what I thought as the best action. I felt bad for Cautherin but especially for Anora as she shares a few last words with her father. I still hated Loghain but there was this look on his face that just made me shiver as I prepared to kill him. I guess that's dark fantasy for ya.

[robertthebard]

I am a dedicated Alistair hater, and wear my badge proudly.  Worst part is, the Landsmeet is such a small part of why I hate him.

[omgwaffulz]

I killed Logain too, yet I feel no shame... well, I had Alistair kill him

Modifié par omgwaffulz, 21 décembre 2009 - 04:54 .

[Brass_Buckles]

I like Alistair as a character (despite that stupid tantrum and his dumping my poor, self-sacrificing Selika--but he had his reasons for both, so I got over it), and I definitely think Loghain gets what's coming to him if you execute him. It does always make me feel bad when Loghain talks to his daughter right before he's executed. However, at the risk of sounding like Morrigan, I think that he's just being manipulative.