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[leana78]

I love Loghain: He's a great grey warden when recruited , faithful, very brave, trying to get some redemption by his acts, not his talking, NOT WHINNING, facing death easily...He's the real hero for me, NOT Alistair.When Loghain is about to die, he's as usual very brave and tough.

He made very wrong choices (though more than half of them were induced by Howe btw..)but always thought it was for the greater benefit of his country.

When recruited, I really enjoyed talking with him (though he's not very talkative). He never once tried to lie or whatever. He recognised his failure and hope we'll do better together. He changed his point of view, not his way of beeing.

I love Loghain....And no romance possible.

[Wompoo]

Koralis wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

Not to mention both Alistair and I get to live without resorting to an evil act.

Evil?   Justice isn't evil.. it often isn't nice though. 

Loghain was worse than merely being a traitor.  He committed Regicide by his planned withdrawal of troops.   The highest of capital offenses, he deserved torture in the dungeons of the castle for years, not a quick death.

Agree
Not to mention his slave trading (plus his purge of the Alienage), poisoning and allowing Howle to get away with the slaughter of the second oldest noble house. The guy deserved no mercy whatsoever. Take Morrigan's offer and kill the sod, it is all he deserves. Although I have nothing but contempt for Wardens as well (Duncan's stabbing of that poor fool knight was unnecessary... he is a swine as well, even Anora new the joining could be fatal, so Duncan eat magots). The writters tryng to portray them as heroes really grated my goat, there was nothing heroic in their methods... any zealot (or several) could of been primed and ready as a sacrifical lamb on the day. Alistair's emotional imbalance over Duncan's death was nausiating, for crying out loud he new the fool for 6 months... the noble origin had far more cause for emotional issues then him... Alistair King only for the story, and that was a painful choice (but hey I like happy endings and DAO sucks like a jumbo jets main engine in that department.).

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Modifié par Wompoo, 21 décembre 2009 - 01:32 .

[robertthebard]

Wompoo wrote...

Koralis wrote...

Recidiva wrote...

Not to mention both Alistair and I get to live without resorting to an evil act.

Evil?   Justice isn't evil.. it often isn't nice though. 

Loghain was worse than merely being a traitor.  He committed Regicide by his planned withdrawal of troops.   The highest of capital offenses, he deserved torture in the dungeons of the castle for years, not a quick death.

Agree
Not to mention his slave trading (plus his purge of the Alienage), poisoning and allowing Howle to get away with the slaughter of the second oldest noble house. The guy deserved no mercy whatsoever. Take Morrigan's offer and kill the sod, it is all he deserves. Although I have nothing but contempt for Wardens as well (Duncan's stabbing of that poor fool knight was unnecessary... he is a swine as well, even Anora new the joining could be fatal, so Duncan eat magots). The writters tryng to portray them as heroes really grated my goat, there was nothing heroic in their methods... any zealot (or several) could of been primed and ready as a sacrifical lamb on the day. Alistair's emotional imbalance over Duncan's death was nausiating, for crying out loud he new the fool for 6 months... the noble origin had far more cause for emotional issues then him... Alistair King only for the story, and that was a painful choice (but hey I like happy endings and DAO sucks like a jumbo jets main engine in that department.).

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We really didn't play the same game did we.  Never are the Grey Wardens presented as an order of Paladins, except by Alistair.  They are fairly accurately portrayed throughout as doing what needs to be done to stop a Blight.  Sophia Dryden went way too far, but she didn't do that to stop a Blight, but to remove a King from the throne.  Big no no in what the Wardens are supposed to be about.  So yeah, we didn't play the same game.  Duncan makes it perfectly clear that the ritual is secret for a reason, and the conversation before Duncan comes in to do the ritual clearly shows the true nature of Jory.  Yes, I dropped the Ser on purpose.  If he's not willing to risk his life for the Joining, how is he going to be willing to risk his life, if left to his own devices, anywhere else?  The dialog at the dying soldier in the Wilds is also pretty indicative of his character.  The fact that he has to deny being a coward so many times makes one wonder what Duncan saw in him when he recruited him.

[Damar Stiehl]

Loghain was a confused bastard. I do believe that he lost his nerve during Ostagar and ran, and then concocted the grand Orlesian/Grey Warden conspiracy to justify his actions both to those around him and himself. That, or perhaps he saw the perfect chance to perform a power grab and went for it, which makes him even more of a bastard than option 1.

King "Stupidly Optimistic" Cailan had an excelent chance to end the Blight at Ostagar. My merry band of misfits, backed up by 200 or so guys I recruited from different parts of Ferelden, managed to defend the city and defeat the Archdemon with just three Grey Wardens. Cailan had an army (presumably more than 200 in number), a decent battle plan and a lot more Wardens. The Darkspawn could have been at least slaughtered en masse and stalled at Ostagar until such time that the Archdemon decided to crawl out of the cave and see what the holdup was all about.

I would have highly preferred to let Loghain live, and recruiting him as a Warden to let him atone for his deeds. I have no problem killing someone who fights back, but to execute a man who yielded in an honorable duel... too cold-blooded for me. In the end, it was a choice between a friend and someone who repeatedly tried to kill me and my friends; so I let Alistair have his vengeance...

[Alien1099]

Nobody Important wrote...

Hardened Alistair marrying Anora and sparing Loghain is the best option imo.

Yep. It actually is the more perfect ending despite Loghaine's deserving of an execution due to the fact that it allows you to not bang Morrigan and spawn a demon god child while being able to live.

Modifié par Alien1099, 21 décembre 2009 - 04:01 .