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[CelestJP]

Another think I've been thinking of when playing Warden's Keep is that Avernus is not just OLD his ANCIENT all thanks to Blood magic I believe the game said he was at least a century old if not older and apperently never heard the calling leading me to Believe that my Amell Mage could in theory live near damn forever too if she learned it and studied how to gain this near immortality from the man him self though I'm guessing there is a moral price to pay

Solona Amell ftw after i discovered she/he is related to hawke it just seems pointless to play any other origin at least if you want to properly connect the dots

[Arthur Cousland]

Avernus says that he had a short time left to live, though he did live a very long time due to blood magic. He wasn't going to live forever.

This could be a nice rp concept if you don't like the thought of your warden dying young, from the taint. Your warden will just need to sacrifice others in order to live longer.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

Avernus says that he had a short time left to live, though he did live a very long time due to blood magic. He wasn't going to live forever.

This could be a nice rp concept if you don't like the thought of your warden dying young, from the taint. Your warden will just need to sacrifice others in order to live longer.

Correct me if i'm wrong but Avernus never stated exactly how he prolonged his life. Maybe it's not as dirty as you think.

Man the more I think about blood magic the more I realize how stupid people are for condemning it and not seeing it's potential. I'm glad this kind of stuff isn't real. My friends tell me that i'd be a supervillian if it was lol.

[Face of Evil]

JSlither wrote...

Correct me if i'm wrong but Avernus never stated exactly how he prolonged his life. Maybe it's not as dirty as you think.

Come on, it's Avernus. The man was a nudge away from Josef Mengele.

[CelestJP]

ill most likely take spirit healer for my final specialization then ill be Shape shifter, Blood mage, Spirit Healer ... i suppose the last two combos are kinda a enigma

ps: what do you think of my avatar .... love the flemeth robes and hair sadly DA Nexus don't have black flemeth hair or it would be perfect

Modifié par CelestJP, 01 août 2012 - 01:32 .

[LobselVith8]

The taint seemed to make Avernus immortal, while he seemed to use blood magic to slow down the process of the taint turning him into a ghoul. If there was a way to prevent a Grey Warden from completely turning into a ghoul, it would be a method to live a long life. Of course, Zathrian also used blood magic to live centuries, so there are other methods for a blood mage to use if you're attempting to live for over a century or two. Given the correspondence between Avernus and The Warden, it's possible The Warden (if he or she is a blood mage) might have learned the same technique Avernus used to hold off on ghoulification, and therefore live centuries without succumbing to the Calling.

In theory, your Amell Warden could use the same process to live centuries.

Also, you seemed to have really mirrored Flemeth with your avatar.

[DPSSOC]

CelestJP wrote...

Another think I've been thinking of when playing Warden's Keep is that Avernus is not just OLD his ANCIENT all thanks to Blood magic I believe the game said he was at least a century old if not older and apperently never heard the calling leading me to Believe that my Amell Mage could in theory live near damn forever too if she learned it and studied how to gain this near immortality from the man him self though I'm guessing there is a moral price to pay

 
Avernus actual did hear the Calling.  You can read it in his notes around his lab it makes reference to it as well as starting to see the Black City in his dreams.  He's been able to supress it probably by the same means he's extended his life for so long.

Though if you're looking for immortallity you can always just pull a Zathrian.  Bind a powerful spirit from the Fade into something in Thedas using blood magic in such a way as your life is forever bound to it.  Either of you can still die but so long as both of you live neither will die of old age (or age at all perhaps, it's hard to tell with elves).

Edit: Damn ninjas

Modifié par DPSSOC, 01 août 2012 - 03:17 .

[TEWR]

CelestJP wrote...

Another think I've been thinking of when playing Warden's Keep is that Avernus is not just OLD his ANCIENT all thanks to Blood magic I believe the game said he was at least a century old if not older and apperently never heard the calling leading me to Believe that my Amell Mage could in theory live near damn forever too if she learned it and studied how to gain this near immortality from the man him self though I'm guessing there is a moral price to pay

Solona Amell ftw after i discovered she/he is related to hawke it just seems pointless to play any other origin at least if you want to properly connect the dots

He's over 200 years old when you meet him, and he has begun to hear his Calling. Not in the same way other Wardens hear it, but certainly he's hearing the Call of the Old Gods. But through his use of blood magic on himself -- as all of his Warden allies died 90 or so days into his entrapment in the Tower, and from then on he was on his own -- he managed to keep the Taint from taking over his body.

I'd conjecture that a further perk from the use of blood magic to prolong his lifespan for so long was that he was able to retain his mind. Obviously this happened, but I mean that had he not done that all he would be able to focus on would be hearing the song and listening to it. But since he used blood magic, he was still able to think clearly. And so he knows that the Black City holds some answers to the questions he's trying to unravel.

Assuming your Amell Warden is a blood mage and lets Avernus live to continue his research -- preferably without you being his judge so he can work as needed -- then yes your Amell Mage could live for just as long if not longer then Avernus. Perhaps even communicate with him and work closely with him, making sure that his research is given a lot of attention.

Now, there is a choice in Awakening the expansion that will dramatically effect Avernus' research. I don't know if you've played that, but it's worth mentioning.

As for a moral price to pay, not really. As I said above Avernus was able to live as long as he did by using blood magic to manipulate the tainted blood that flows through his veins. Remember, 90 days into when he was trapped in the Tower all of his Warden comrades were dead. At this point, he was on his own, and he continued his research.

Whether the Taint grants Wardens immortality at the cost of becoming a Ghoul is unknown. We know the Taint sustains the Darkspawn, but we've never really seen how long a Warden can survive after becoming a Ghoul, since the method they become tainted is different from how non-Wardens become tainted.

CelesteJP wrote...

ill most likely take spirit healer for my final specialization then ill be Shape shifter, Blood mage, Spirit Healer ... i suppose the last two combos are kinda a enigma

ps: what do you think of my avatar .... love the flemeth robes and hair sadly DA Nexus don't have black flemeth hair or it would be perfect

You can only take two specializations in Origins. Once you boot up Awakening, you can take a third though you also have 2 additional specialization types to choose from alongside the ones you saw in Origins.

Also, I like the Flemeth look your Warden has.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 août 2012 - 03:47 .

[CelestJP]

ye she has Advanced Shape shifting mod too after i killed around 20 Drakes and the High Dragon for Sacred Ashes i Could turn into a High Dragon just like Flemeth ^^

I've heavily modded this play through of Solona as i lost my origina lsave game and i needed the motivation to replay for a DA 2 Import she's actually using Flemeth DA 2 Armour and Hair since my avatar is a imagen from the game I've played DA 1 like 20 times ..... it gets somewhat repative after a while being a Flameth look alike is motivation to play for me her face is 20 % Flemeth and 20 % Morrigan the rest is Default she also has Flemeth's Eye's used vanshing Staff mod because i was got tired of staffs clipping into my flemeth robes so she only takes it out during combat

Modifié par CelestJP, 01 août 2012 - 05:05 .

[CelestJP]

nice one nizaris stupid bioware profiles is all messed up lost my avatar until it properly updates again

[CelestJP]

plus i think Morrigan would be more palatine since flemeth don't teach you jack you learn Shape shifting and such from Morrigan after all

[Knight of Dane]

If you import a save where Avernus is left to experiment it is heavily implied that he is close to finding a cure for the taint in wardens too.

[CelestJP]

well a cure for all wardens would be preferable to just benefiting one person which is why i let him continue his research not sure what part of awakening would influence his research though I do notice most people have no faith in their walls in their savegames they always burn the city not realizing that Vigil Keep will withstand the attack while you save the city assuming you upgraded it properly and had wade upgrade all your soldiers to silverite

[Arthur Cousland]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Flemeth :Remember back to your early teachings. "All who gain power are afraid to lose it." Even the Circle Mage and the Templars.

Solona Amell : The Circle Mage use their power for good.

Flemeth :Good is a point of view, Amell. The Apostates and the Circle Mage are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power.

Solona Amell : The Apostate rely on their passion for their strength. They think inward, only about themselves.

Flemeth : And the Circle Mage don't?

Solona Amell : The Circle Mage are selfless... they only care about others.

Flemeth : [looking a little frustrated] Did you ever hear the tragedy of Andraste the Wise?

Solona Amell : No.

Flemeth :I thought not. It's not a story the Circle would tell you. It's an Apostate legend. Andraste was a Blood Mage who lived many years ago. She was so powerful and so wise that she could use Blood Magic to influence the blood to create life... She had such a knowledge of Blood Magic that she could even keep the ones she cared about from dying.

Solona Amell : She could do that? She could actually save people from death?

Flemeth :Blood Magic is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

Solona Amell : What happened to her?

Flemeth : She became so powerful... the only thing she was afraid of was losing her power, which eventually, of course, she did. Unfortunately, she taught her apprentice everything she knew, and then one night, her apprentice killed her in her sleep and then burned her. It's ironic that she could save others from death, but not herself.

Solona Amell : Is it possible to learn this power?

Flemeth : Not from the Circle.

Nice DA spin on Star Wars.  I like it.

I always save Amaranthine, as it needs more help than Vigil's Keep, which I always fully upgrade.

[CelestJP]

hehe like your star wars twists

[Ausstig]

Flemeth as the Empress of Tiventer?

I like it

[Treacherous J Slither]

I wonder who would actually win in a deathmatch. Flemeth or the Emperor?

[CelestJP]

I would say the old crone is most likely pretending just like sidious and she's way more powerful then you the warden and hawke's journey seems to be a series of tests to shape them into the needed power level for some grand plans remember her statement to saying shes more powerful then the warden if you question her before leaving with Morrigan "no one person in all of thedas has enough power to stop the blight" Flemeth fills the puppet master role in the DA universe i think shes most likely playing Morrigan too she never had any intentions of taking her body she's merely pushing morrigan into the role flemeth needs her to be

[dragonflight288]

Flemeth is just awesome. Whether she's an antagonist or simply an old woman with a penchant for helping random protagonists, remains to be seen.

[Renmiri1]

Nizaris1 wrote...

The first time Flemeth meet the Warden she said "But so much uncertain about you...but i believe do i? yes...indeed i do..."

When meet Hawke she said "plunged into the chaos you fight, the world shake before you"

Flemeth somehow can read the future, the same like Palpatine

She also tells you don't hesitate to leap into the chaos of change...

She was telling you to keep Anders alive and side with mages