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July 31 Multiplayer Balance Changes


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#226
gravitygroove

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A short play.

heyyyy here's a new ULTRA RARE gun guys!
*a week later*
*takes a few pieces off*
Hey, here's a new gun! it's still new!
*a week later*
*urinates on*
Hey, here's a new gun!

#227
Battlepope190

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You all cry WAY too much.

#228
omgBAMF

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All these tears are so delicious.

Battlepope190 wrote...

You all cry WAY too much.

Yeah, what he said.

#229
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Cdr. Pwn wrote...

Avalanche25 wrote...

Do they even have a good testing team? Like people that we can consider "elite"? Not some people who think it's a fair bet to eat their hat if platinum gets soloed.


No, they're pretty much all noobs that mostly play silver...Seriously.  There was a post a while back asking what builds/weapons the devs like to play and they were all mostly crap that wouldn't be effective even on gold.


I particularly enjoyed the trailer for Earth where they played the shadow as a generic sniper infiltrator.  First time I've ever said "learn to play!" in my life.

#230
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It's like people see "8 seconds OMG" and think Smash will now have 8 seconds of cooldown.

Those 8 seconds are the base cooldown value at 0%. At +200%, the cooldown for Smash comes around at 2.46 seconds without additional gear and/or consumables. 2.96 seconds is still incredibly fast for power cooldown.

#231
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Xaijin wrote...

As usual, teeny tiny buffs and gigantic nerfs. Balancing seems to be seriously out of balance.


18% Indra Buff, 20% PPR Buff, Shield Gate mechanics reworked for ALL guns, 10% damage buffs to Incinerate and Carnage, a ton of work (mostly in vain) on Pull. Teeny tiny?

Meanwhile, 1 second cooldown increase (at 200%) for Smash, keeping in mind that Smash's animation is SO long that full cooldown was wasted, a insignificant (if unwarranted) RoF nerf for Devastator mode, and one serious nerf on Typhoon.

I'd say you have things backwards. Gigantic buffs on several guns, sweeping changes to high power gun mechanics, small but needed power changes. Meanwhile, two teeny tiny nerfs and one serious nerf.

Everyone upset about the Smash and Devastator nerfs should read this.

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Cole Jones wrote...

Sweet. Thank's so much for not killing my baby (The Destroyer) Now i have a reason to run ultra heavy builds on gold (Anything + Javelin)


I'd just like to point out that you should probably expect future debuffs. The playing field is still quite unlevel, so they'll have to weaken such classes eventually. Not to spoil your happiness, but it's got to happen if they want to get the balance right, which they do.

#233
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Xaijin wrote...

As usual, teeny tiny buffs and gigantic nerfs. Balancing seems to be seriously out of balance.


Yeah it's really pissing me off.  They give the worst powers/weapons the smallest buff which makes no difference, but then give the good stuff a huge nerf.  I guess they want people to stop playing.

#234
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It makes structural Ergonomics (and other power recharge gear) more of an incentive to pick up

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TheExile1 wrote...


Is Bioware trolling us with pull? The problem pull isn't its duration or its explosions or its damage. The problem is that that it only works on enemies without shields or armor. The enemies that can be affected are usually dead faster from bullets than pull.


This. The power is useless even if it did 5000 damage on impact.

#236
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Yeah,great Typhoon nerf. All the fun (what the game is supposed to give me) gone. More and more more,devs really know how to make a great game worse.

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GroverA125 wrote...

The playing field is still quite unlevel, so they'll have to weaken such classes eventually. Not to spoil your happiness, but it's got to happen if they want to get the balance right, which they do.


I'm starting to think that BioWare's "balancing goals" are to make a Microtransaction-Based MMO.

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Incinerate, Pull and Carnage all get much needed buffs. Love it!

Also no more 100% Shield Gate! Glorious day.

Glad to see the Typhoon get nerfed as well. That thing was majorly OP'ed.

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I'm just amazed that they buffed marginally Incinerate. Have they fixed the cryo damage combo for it yet? Because quite frankly that's the reason Incinerate isn't used. If Incinerate actually did the damage it advertised, it would be a good skill.

Modifié par Lucrece, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:40 .


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Part of me worries that the Piranha did eat nerf bat to the face this week because Bioware doesn't want to come off as "taking sides".

The buff the Pull was nice, but in the case of Destroyer and Typhoon why just release characters and ultra-rare weapons then turn around and nerf them, does Bioware not test stuff before releasing it.

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No lines about Piranha or Reegar? Son I am disappoint.
Another week with some OP bull**** in this game. Lame.

#242
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Rifneno wrote...

Cdr. Pwn wrote...

Avalanche25 wrote...

Do they even have a good testing team? Like people that we can consider "elite"? Not some people who think it's a fair bet to eat their hat if platinum gets soloed.


No, they're pretty much all noobs that mostly play silver...Seriously.  There was a post a while back asking what builds/weapons the devs like to play and they were all mostly crap that wouldn't be effective even on gold.


I particularly enjoyed the trailer for Earth where they played the shadow as a generic sniper infiltrator.  First time I've ever said "learn to play!" in my life.


that wasn't a trailer, and it wasn't a dev playing.

#243
DarkerCompanion

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Lkv999 wrote...

Yeah,great Typhoon nerf. All the fun (what the game is supposed to give me) gone. More and more more,devs really know how to make a great game worse.


Typhoon, Krysae, Tactical Cloak, Sabotage, and Hunter Mode are the only serious nerfs this game has ever recieved.

All the fun gone? Come on.

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Eric Fagnan wrote...
This week's balance changes are now live and detailed here.

I loved it. So much to do, especially with the Typhoon and Smash. Thank you sincerely.
P.S. it was sarcasm.
Nerfers and crybabies - go to hell.

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Hyperglide wrote...

Incinerate, Pull and Carnage all get much needed buffs. Love it!

Also no more 100% Shield Gate! Glorious day.

Glad to see the Typhoon get nerfed as well. That thing was majorly OP'ed.


You stick to silver dont ya?

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GroverA125

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Lambda_00 wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

The playing field is still quite unlevel, so they'll have to weaken such classes eventually. Not to spoil your happiness, but it's got to happen if they want to get the balance right, which they do.


I'm starting to think that BioWare's "balancing goals" are to make a Microtransaction-Based MMO.


Don't look at it that way, think of it like this:

Let's say that weapon A is unbalanced. On a normal class, it does very little damage and is too heavy, but on a certain weapon-based class, it is very powerful. Bioware are stuck between a rock and a hard place, if they nerf it, then the weapon is useless on all of the other classes and decent on the certain class, whereas if weapon A gets a buff, then it'll be decent on the other classes, but hilariously overpowered on the certain class. There's no right way to do the balancing to the weapon, as both causes a problem you're trying to remove. The only way to get it done properly is to level the playing field a little, to make the effect of a nerf/buff less visible on the class you don't want it to affect.

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Hyperglide wrote...
Glad to see the Typhoon get nerfed as well. That thing was majorly OP'ed.


All those people who made more points than you did gave you strong pain somewhere in your butt? Have you tried this gun yourself?

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Finally, the snipers will get sum sweet sweet lovin. At least on gold & platinum. NO more shotgun gunner crybabies kicking me for not using one on my infiltrator.

#249
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Great changes this week Bioware, nice job!

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Vitalik1993 wrote...

OH LAWD here come the cries and whines.


Well I think the update is fair. They aren't too bad. Now the Pull ability is a little more useful. It's a win win.