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[Mahrac]

joker_jack wrote...

Food for thought on the buff of the ppr and nerf of the typhoon:

Give the Typhoon an EB instead.

Modifié par Mahrac, 01 août 2012 - 02:49 .

[najzere]

The Smash nerf really only hurts people that don't sit behind a wall spamming it—you know, the players that are actually taking damage while they're waiting for the cooldown because there's nothing between them and the enemy. I really hope this change wasn't because of Glacier/Platinum farming, because here's a newsflash: it won't change it all. To whoever said it is now in the same cooldown class as Warp, well I wish it also had Warp's range and animation speed so I could sit behind cover and just pop out for less than a second to fire it off.

In what way were the Phoenix characters dominating so much they needed a nerf? Was it all the Platinum speedruns and solo videos? Oh yeah, I haven't seen one of those... It's another case where they are "balancing" the game around one strategy/class/setup at the expense of everyone else.

[Juice Tin]

Mozts wrote...

UkranyannBR wrote...

So the "nerf experts" are working to destroy the game.

MAKES NO SENSE, all these modifications of weapons and powers. This is not balance the game, why are ignoring an important factor. FUN. Good weapons are being spoiled while weapons that really need improvement are ignored.

All of you should sit at the computer and balance ALL WEAPONS, improving those that are obsolete and not just ruining the good weapons and characters in the game.

What do you think they're doing?

I see buffs to pull and parctile riffle. Stop whining.

Please learn how to spell, people.  I've seen this spelling error plenty of times here today and it's frustrating.  It's RIFLE.  Not RIFFLE.  Makes it sound like a potato chip.  And it's PARTICLE, not PARCTILE.  Parctile sounds like some new kind of flooring.  

Modifié par Juice Tin, 01 août 2012 - 02:54 .

[katness]

Love the buffs this week!! Thanks Bioware!!!

[CmdrPwn]

BioWare logic: "Hmmmm let's think of the most useless sh** in the game and buff it by a couple points, then let's nerf the best weapons to make them worthless for gold/platinum!"

Modifié par Cdr. Pwn, 01 août 2012 - 03:58 .

[UnknownMercenary]

Sammorbai wrote...

I will frag you wrote...

Today is a glorious day for Snipers. yessssss.

Not really.  When I saw the reduced shield-gate that's what I thought too, but I've been using my single-shot sniper rifles all night (Javelin V and Widow X primarily) and I'm seeing no appreciable increase in damage.  So far it's been so incredibly minor that I'm not even sure the shield-gate reduction was actually implemented, it feels like it might have been written down on the list of balance changes as a placebo effect.

This, basically. I noticed no change using the Widow, except I could now do 1 bar of health damage to a Centurion. Hooray.

[xtorma]

Mozts wrote...

Atheosis wrote...


They don't have any better data than players who have played the game for hundreds of hours and tested every gun like myself and many others.  In fact, their habit of looking at usage numbers and other correlative data is actually one of their biggest problems.  I could balance this game more in a day than they have in nearly five months.

And I find it ironic that you bring up the TC nerf which was 90% based off the ideas of players on this forum...

What you think the feedback option is? They have more data than we do, thats a fact.

I never said BSN was not a portion of the feedback. It is. But its not the only one. TC was talked about since demo and it was nerfed because they felt it was the right thing to do, not jsut because of the players idea.

It was the timing that made TC look so suspect. They had months to change it, and waited until the uproar on the forums before they acted. Whether the forum posts played a  large part in the nerf or not, they managed it, in a way that made it look Like it did.

[A Wild Snorlax]

Cdr. Pwn wrote...

BioWare logic: "Hmmmm let's think of the most useless sh** in the game and buff it by a couple points, then let's nerf the best weapons to make them worthless for gold/platinum!"

This basically, the buffs to the particle rifle, incinerate and carnage are so small that they make 0 difference in gameplay. The typhoon nerf was beyond retarded, smash nerf was pretty uncalled for.

Indra buff was not too bad. The 10% shield gate bleed through is a complete joke, still can't 1hit ko anything on gold with shields even with a javelin headshot.

Overall another week of changes that leaves me wondering if the balancing team actually plays their own game, certainly doesn't seem like it from the changes they make.
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[CmdrPwn]

A Wild Snorlax wrote...

Overall another week of changes that leaves me wondering if the balancing team actually plays their own game, certainly doesn't seem like it from the changes they make.

I read somewhere that they don't really because it isn't fun for them since they created it.  This seems to be a common trend with multiplayer devs.  When I used to play SWG I remember reading that those devs actually played WoW and they eventually ruined that game.

The ME3 devs are probably noob silver players. 

Modifié par Cdr. Pwn, 01 août 2012 - 04:42 .

[ChurchOfZod]

I think the Typhoon should be renamed "N7 Tropical Storm" in honor of the latest unneccessary downgrade.

[ImBanginUrGirlFriend]

Hyperglide wrote...

Incinerate, Pull and Carnage all get much needed buffs. Love it!

Also no more 100% Shield Gate! Glorious day.

Glad to see the Typhoon get nerfed as well. That thing was majorly OP'ed.

I checked your manifest - you don't even own a Typhoon or really any other N7 ultra rare weapon for that matter. So saying the Typhoon is OP is based on what? Someone else stealing kills from you in bronze or silver? I can light up bronze with my useless Eagle III so I suppose that is OP as well? For a good player, ANY weapon is OP in bronze or silver. Might I suggest you play gold or platinum and then tell me whether something is OP or not.

[TIMBURWOLF]

Unless you want to be an infiltrator, the Smash adept/vanguard was the only fun class to play (IMO). Now that they've screwed that, all that's left is to become a Slash-spamming wh*re, or switch games.


Hello Skyrim. I've missed you.

[AbhijitSM]

ImBanginUrGirlFriend wrote...

Hyperglide wrote...

Incinerate, Pull and Carnage all get much needed buffs. Love it!

Also no more 100% Shield Gate! Glorious day.

Glad to see the Typhoon get nerfed as well. That thing was majorly OP'ed.

I checked your manifest - you don't even own a Typhoon or really any other N7 ultra rare weapon for that matter. So saying the Typhoon is OP is based on what? Someone else stealing kills from you in bronze or silver? I can light up bronze with my useless Eagle III so I suppose that is OP as well? For a good player, ANY weapon is OP in bronze or silver. Might I suggest you play gold or platinum and then tell me whether something is OP or not.

This is a major issue which plague's this forum. People who do not have the weapons call it OP...really??...based on what???

[Bleachrude]

Again, what's stopping people from using Structural Ergonomics and the other power recharge gear?

That's kind of why we have them (might actually see people use SE now...I swear, in PUGs I never see SE at all)

[Freskione2]

Only thing I see I like is the Indra got a buff...which is a good thing.

[RGFrog]

Lol, like the direction the shield gate is going, but passing only 10%? That's just a crumb off the table again.

Big woop that I get 200 points on armor damage when a boss has 1 point of shield left.. wereas for all I can tell shield gate doesn't even apply to my shields.

Sorry, but again not impressed with the nerfs/buffs. Especially a second nerf to a UR that didn't need either nerf.

[Cull58]

At least the anti nerf side of the forums finally sound almost as loud as the nerfers.

[Master Xanthan]

Cdr. Pwn wrote...

BioWare logic: "Hmmmm let's think of the most useless sh** in the game and buff it by a couple points, then let's nerf the best weapons to make them worthless for gold/platinum!"

This

[Immortal Strife]

I disagree about incinerate being a worthless buff, I think it's pretty good now.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 01 août 2012 - 04:14 .

[ryoldschool]

Immortal Strife wrote...

I disagree about incinerate being a worthless buff, I think it's pretty good now.

You got some examples?  I respeced my Krogan Sentinel the last time they buffed it and then used another respec card to change it back to an incinerate-free build.  A 10% base you could see?


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May 9, 2012
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Incinerate Power
- Evolution 3 bonus damage-over-time increased from 40% to 50% 

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July 31, 2012
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Incinerate Power
- Base damage increased from 300 to 330 

[Cole Jones]

I laugh at those whining about the Smash cool down. at 200% its only 4 seconds apposed to 3 seconds.

[Atheosis]

xtorma wrote...

Mozts wrote...

Atheosis wrote...


They don't have any better data than players who have played the game for hundreds of hours and tested every gun like myself and many others.  In fact, their habit of looking at usage numbers and other correlative data is actually one of their biggest problems.  I could balance this game more in a day than they have in nearly five months.

And I find it ironic that you bring up the TC nerf which was 90% based off the ideas of players on this forum...

What you think the feedback option is? They have more data than we do, thats a fact.

I never said BSN was not a portion of the feedback. It is. But its not the only one. TC was talked about since demo and it was nerfed because they felt it was the right thing to do, not jsut because of the players idea.

It was the timing that made TC look so suspect. They had months to change it, and waited until the uproar on the forums before they acted. Whether the forum posts played a  large part in the nerf or not, they managed it, in a way that made it look Like it did.

I don't think you guys are following.  The TC nerf was basically a copy of the nerf idea in the 'Balance All The Things" group, with a few changes and the lack of the proposed compensatory buff to sniper rifles.  Fagnan even posted in the group that the balance team was discussing the group's ideas before the nerf came down.

[Atheosis]

Cull58 wrote...

At least the anti nerf side of the forums finally sound almost as loud as the nerfers.

I've always been squarely in the balancer group (those who propose both buffs and nerfs in the pursuit of balance), and have always seen this nerfer vs anti-nerfer notion infantile.  That said I'm starting to quickly become an "anti-nerfer" in light of the nerfs that BW is coming out with.  If this is how they plan on nerfing in the future I'm 100% against it.

[ollpet]

Why dont you make the Typhoon a rare weapon while your at it? The nerf was way to harsh i would not use this weapon on gold anymore its waaaay to slow. Ok i dont have it maxed only at III but still.

bad move BW.

[Variasaber]

RGFrog wrote...

Lol, like the direction the shield gate is going, but passing only 10%? That's just a crumb off the table again.

Big woop that I get 200 points on armor damage when a boss has 1 point of shield left.. wereas for all I can tell shield gate doesn't even apply to my shields.

Sorry, but again not impressed with the nerfs/buffs. Especially a second nerf to a UR that didn't need either nerf.

On the contrary, players get both a shieldgate and a healthgate.
Players get a 100% shieldgate just like Gold/Platinum enemies used to get, which is why a Nemesis' shot is always just enough to wipe your shields but no more than that regardless of what class you're playing.
Also, you'll notice that no matter how hard an enemy hits when it hits your health, you'll always have one little sliver of the last bar of health left after that hit; that's the healthgate.
Of course, enemies that hit multiple times in rapid succession are basically ignoring this mechanic, but it helps a lot sometimes.