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[Avalanche25]

I expected a fairly heavy piranha nerf, now they just made the typhoon worthless
Do they even have a good testing team? Like people that we can consider "elite"? Not some people who think it's a fair bet to eat their hat if platinum gets soloed.

[Rifneno]

TomSurman1 wrote...

Typhoon gets nerfed two weeks in a row? I don't even have that gun yet. What incentive is there for me now to try and get it?

None.  There is none.  It's not worth it anymore.

[Xaijin]

As usual, teeny tiny buffs and gigantic nerfs. Balancing seems to be seriously out of balance.

[TehPwnzor52]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Shield gate has been defeated.

Not even close. I just tested and my GI with max dmg hunter mode and tac cloak getting a head shot with the javelin on a pyro only did the 1st little half bar of armor through the shield. Im sorry BW, but this change is utterly useless. If you're going to do something do it right .

Edit: And a headshot to a rocket trooper only did half of its heath.

Modifié par TehPwnzor52, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:51 .

[TomSurman1]

Also interesting that smash got nerfbatted, but the biotic blade and electric blade powers, which are equally spammable and able to go through walls get left alone.

As for the typhoon, I don't even have it, but a 25% damage reduction is bonkers. I live in fear of every Tuesday now, wondering if my favourite gun is going to be the target of the next heavy handed nerfbatting.

[Siansonea]

Pull buff? Yes please!

[DarkerCompanion]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

So, even for the weakest enemy, you need your sniper to apply 13,500 total damage in a shot.  I don't think this is achievable with a maxed out GI, even taking into account headshot multiplier.

EDIT: WHOA! Totally forgot about cloak!

Geth Infiltrator:

Javelin X = 1288 per shot

Additive Multiplier:
High Velocity Barrel: +.25
Networked AI: Weapon Damage +.225
Networked AI: Geth Synergy +.1
Hunter Mode: +.175
Cloak Shot: +.8
Total: x 1.55 damage

Damage: 3284

Multiplicative Multiplier:
2.5x headshot multiplier
Networked AI: +.2 headshot multiplier
Vulnerability VI Gear: +.2 headshot multiplier
Targetting VI Amp 3: +1.0
Total = x3.9

Damage: 12807

Multiplicative Multiplier:
Proxy Mine Debuff: +.2

Damage: 15369

Multiplicative Multiplier:
Sniper Damage Cloak Bonus: +.25

Final Damage: 19211

Yeesh. I know I'm not entirely well versed on the order of operations for multipliers, but I think I have a rough guess here. I'm also not sure if headshots ADD 2.5x or if they multiply by 2.5x. The difference would be 100 damage becoming 350 or becoming 250. If it ADDS, this would be a good bit higher.

I also didn't add in Ammo powers, since none of them are confirmed to effect both shields AND health, except Disruptor on Synthetic Health. There is also the issue of if its additive or multiplicative, and how much does a Disruptor IV do (III does +15%). IF its multiplicative, and it adds +20%, you might get as high as around 23000 on a rocket trooper or hunter.

Complicated stuff really. There is enough fuzzy area in here that it could well deal the amount necessary, but someone who knows the order of operations and status of multiplicative/additive bonuses better than I would be necessary.

If anyone wants to try their hand at this, but they know their stuff better, here is a list of factors a solo GI could use:
Javelin X = 1288
Headshot = 2.5x
Headshot bonuses: 0.2x for Networked AI 5, 0.2x for Vulnerability Gear, 1.0x for Headshot Amp Equipment
Ammo Powers: +0.2x? for Disruptor IV?
Barrel Mod: 0.25x
Geth Synergy: 0.1x
Networked AI: 0.225x
Hunter Mode: 0.175x
Cloak Bonus: 0.8x damage bonus, 0.25x MULTIPLICATIVE sniper bonus
Proxy Mine Debuff: 0.2x damage debuff

Modifié par DarkerCompanion, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:03 .

[SverreOlsen]

Aren't Ultra Rare weapons supposed to be really good? What's the point of having a rarity caterogy when you do sh*t like this? So yeah the Typhoon nerf makes no sense at all, it was fine the way it was.

[Urdnot_SahVaj]

TehPwnzor52 wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Shield gate has been defeated.

Not even close. I just tested and my GI with max dmg hunter mode and tac cloak getting a head shot with the javelin on a pyro only did the 1st little half bar of armor through the shield. Im sorry BW, but this change is utterly useless. If you're going to do something do it right .

Edit: And a headshot to a rocket trooper only did half of its heath.

Sorry but that's balanced for ya. You can destroy the shields and still do fair damage to the enemy. The problem here is? None, you bypassed the shield and did fair damage to both enemies. Sure it COULD be better, but it is by no means useless.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Major nerf for Smash. It is one of the most dangerous skills in the game to use due to the looooooooong animation time and need for a squishy ex-cerberus adept to be within 8 meters of the target. The Phoenix adept was already the second weakest adept in the game (the original human adpet is below him.)

The pull buff was nice for the drells and justicars though.

All shooty types got a buff for gold and platinum. Power classes are falling futhur and futhur behind.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 31 juillet 2012 - 08:54 .

[Urdnot_SahVaj]

While I question the Typhoon nerf and Devastator mode ROF increase (honestly, it should have been accuracy if anything) I do admit these changes are nice. I look forward to receiving the PPR and making good use of it and as well slapping on my Jav for gold.

[Dan Dark]

TehPwnzor52 wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Shield gate has been defeated.

Not even close. I just tested and my GI with max dmg hunter mode and tac cloak getting a head shot with the javelin on a pyro only did the 1st little half bar of armor through the shield. Im sorry BW, but this change is utterly useless. If you're going to do something do it right .

Edit: And a headshot to a rocket trooper only did half of its heath.

I'm disappointed, but not surprised. The entire shieldgate mechanic makes no sense to me - it seems to exist solely to hinder single shot weapons. Enemies should be harder to kill on higher difficulties, sure... but the problem is, they already increase health and shields as difficulty goes up, to affect rapid fire weapons... and yet they're also increasing the shieldgate percentages. It should be either or, not both. (Or if they must insist on keeping the shieldgates... the percentages should be cut back, dramatically.)

[TMB903]

Absolutely laughable they killed the value of the Typhoon already...Damn shame

[CmnDwnWrkn]

DarkerCompanion wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

So, even for the weakest enemy, you need your sniper to apply 13,500 total damage in a shot.  I don't think this is achievable with a maxed out GI, even taking into account headshot multiplier.

Geth Infiltrator:

Javelin X = 1288 per shot

Additive Multiplier:
High Velocity Barrel: +.25
Networked AI: Weapon Damage +.225
Networked AI: Geth Synergy +.1
Hunter Mode: +.175
Total: x .75 damage

Damage: 2254

Multiplicative Multiplier:
2.5x headshot multiplier
Networked AI: +.2 headshot multiplier
Vulnerability VI Gear: +.2 headshot multiplier
Targetting VI Amp 3: +1.0
Total = x3.9

Damage: 8790

Multiplicative Multiplier:
Proxy Mine Debuff: +.2

Damage: 10548

Yeesh. I know I'm not entirely well versed on the order of operations for multipliers, but I think I have a rough guess here. I'm also not sure if headshots ADD 2.5x or if they multiply by 2.5x. The difference would be 100 damage becoming 350 or becoming 250. If it ADDS, this would be a good bit higher.

I also didn't add in Ammo powers, since none of them are confirmed to effect both shields AND health, except Disruptor on Synthetic Health. There is also the issue of if its additive or multiplicative, and how much does a Disruptor IV do (III does +15%). IF its multiplicative, and it adds +20%, you might get so high as 12657ish on a rocket trooper or hunter.

Complicated stuff really. There is enough fuzzy area in here that it could well deal the amount necessary, but someone who knows the order of operations and status of multiplicative/additive bonuses better than I would be necessary.

Nice post.  I couldn't even begin to figure out the multiplier math, lol.

[bogsters23]

wow typhoon gets hit. i do not think it kills enemies that fast. piranha is still better. i'm glad GI is safe for now. pull i never use that power. i only use biotics if there are other biotics in a team.

i'll try my typhoon later to see the changes.

[TehPwnzor52]

Urdnot_SahVaj wrote...

TehPwnzor52 wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Shield gate has been defeated.

Not even close. I just tested and my GI with max dmg hunter mode and tac cloak getting a head shot with the javelin on a pyro only did the 1st little half bar of armor through the shield. Im sorry BW, but this change is utterly useless. If you're going to do something do it right .

Edit: And a headshot to a rocket trooper only did half of its heath.

Sorry but that's balanced for ya. You can destroy the shields and still do fair damage to the enemy. The problem here is? None, you bypassed the shield and did fair damage to both enemies. Sure it COULD be better, but it is by no means useless.

It is useless compared to every other weapon in the game. I used one shot of the javelin (1/6 of my ammo!) and I took out a shield an one half bar of armor. 1/6 of the valiant's or harrier's ammo can easily kill a dozen enemies. This is anything but balanced.

Modifié par TehPwnzor52, 31 juillet 2012 - 09:02 .

[WiqidBritt]

Rifneno wrote...

So now the reverant is a better option than the typhoon for anyone except a destroyer. MUCH lighter, no charge up time to reach the same RoF, and only slightly less damage per bullet.

I wish I could suck at my job as much as these guys do and still have a job.

I dunno, I can still hit things that aren't point blank in front of me with the Typhoon...

[Javo2357]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

I can't understand the Typhoon nerf whatsoever. The continued devaluing of Ultra-Rares, whether through nerfs or through the introduction of insanely powerful weapons as Rares, has gotten out of hand.

It's making it less and less tolerable to spam PSP after PSP to try and max out the URs. What's the point if they're going to nerf or make a Rare that's better?

This.

[Commander Castillo]

Who wants to bet that the devs don't actually test their balance changes before they roll them out?

[Clayless]

Why have you still not buffed the missile launcher?

[Gockey]

Hah what a lame bunch of changes. The piranha goes untouched and you nerf the UR that most people still don't have. Killed the smashguards to keep people from farming Glacier, and clipped the destroyer in passing.

Then you pretend like the shieldgate bit is even worth mentioning.

Lol at Bioware and ridiculous nerfs. It's not an MMO and you screw up ToR often enough.

[CoolHanc101]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Awesome to hear that some of the shield gate is bypassed. Not so awesome about Smash, though.

I tested today with my GI + Javelin6 + sniper amp 3 + incendiary round 4 + sniper rifle amp 5
My conclusion: the buff is not as good as it seems to be.

[Biotic Wolf]

typhoon is still one of the best AR despite the nerf imo. glad the indra got buffed and surprised that the piranha survives. not saying that the piranha needed a nerf.

[Pichsterz]

Sigh... Typhoon nerf.

[BoomDynamite]

Typhoon and Smash changes seem excessive to me.