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Rifneno wrote...

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Like I said before: If a weapon is twice as good as the others, and it gets a 25% debuff, you're still over 100%. I suppose it will be a noticable amount worse now, but it's a worse version of one of the best. Looking at it that way, it kinda cancels it out.


I wonder if I'd have such a glorious misunderstanding of game mechanics if I was still working on maxing out Rebellion rares too.  Hmm.  Guess we'll never know.


You just don't get it do you. It's called looking on the good side of life. If it was as powerful as you all claimed before the patch, then it should still hold some weight. Your attempts to intimidate me aren't working by the way.

"Always look on the bright side of life" *whistles*

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You just don't get it do you. It's called looking on the good side of life. If it was as powerful as you all claimed before the patch, then it should still hold some weight. Your attempts to intimidate me aren't working by the way.

"Always look on the bright side of life" *whistles*


"Intimidate"?  You obviously don't even know what that word means.  What I'm doing is pointing out that you don't have a typhoon, hell, you're still working on the krysae and reegar from 2 months ago.  You're not exactly out there playing gold or platinum all the time and seeing the difference.  You're just spouting your nonsense and fictional math at people who, unlike you, actually spent a lot of time to earn this gun that just got neutered.  You have no clue and you have no investment.  We have a right to be pissed.

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GroverA125 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Like I said before: If a weapon is twice as good as the others, and it gets a 25% debuff, you're still over 100%. I suppose it will be a noticable amount worse now, but it's a worse version of one of the best. Looking at it that way, it kinda cancels it out.


I wonder if I'd have such a glorious misunderstanding of game mechanics if I was still working on maxing out Rebellion rares too.  Hmm.  Guess we'll never know.


You just don't get it do you. It's called looking on the good side of life. If it was as powerful as you all claimed before the patch, then it should still hold some weight. Your attempts to intimidate me aren't working by the way.

"Always look on the bright side of life" *whistles*


Forget the personal slights, the point is that the Typhoon was great for certain classes under certain circumstances. It was never an all around superior weapon. Given all of it's initial limitations, and the difficulty in acquiring and leveling up the weapon, I just don't see the need for this most recent nerf. Oh well, my demoslisher will be using the harrier pretty much exclusively now. I'll just have to have him sit on the pylon and not share all that much ammo with my teammates. That's how I'll balance BioWare's latest balance.

Btw, for those of you who don't seem to think that ultra-rare weapons should be noticeably superior to other weapons, I have an offer for you. I'll buy a new Ford Taurus, and you can buy a new Rolls Royce. We can then trade pink slips straight up. Seeing as how you seem to think cost and the difficulty in obtaining an object should have little or no effect on it's quality, this deal should be right up your alley.

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Rifneno wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

You just don't get it do you. It's called looking on the good side of life. If it was as powerful as you all claimed before the patch, then it should still hold some weight. Your attempts to intimidate me aren't working by the way.

"Always look on the bright side of life" *whistles*


"Intimidate"?  You obviously don't even know what that word means.  What I'm doing is pointing out that you don't have a typhoon, hell, you're still working on the krysae and reegar from 2 months ago.  You're not exactly out there playing gold or platinum all the time and seeing the difference.  You're just spouting your nonsense and fictional math at people who, unlike you, actually spent a lot of time to earn this gun that just got neutered.  You have no clue and you have no investment.  We have a right to be pissed.


Again: You just don't get it do you?

You're talking to an optimist, and lesson one when talking to an optimist is to never take what they say seriously. I could have made it blatantly obvious to you by adding "/sarcasm" at the end, but again, that wouldn't really be correct, would it? It's not strictly sarcasm, so adding it would be false information that would indicate that I'm frustrated at the significant decrease to the Typhoon. Sure, I don't have the weapon. I didn't get a metre-piercing LMG when I opened up my random pack with a significantly low chance of said weapon even appearing in it. Does that mean I can't joke about it? That I can't get a metaphorical edge and cut the tension?

Also, when did I put any proper math on the table? I put a random generic number unaffiliated to the actual numbers in game, that's not putting fictional math on the table, that's using a token gesture of an example.

Tell you what, would it make you feel better if next time, I put "/Optimism" at the end of my posts? Would that make it simpler for you to understand and differentiate?

PS: "We have a right to be pissed" makes your argument seem rather stale and "demandy", and as such rather dull and uninteresting to read. I have a right to be miffed when the delivery man throws a priority box containing vital equipment worth hundreds over a fence, not really going to change anything though. For future reference, I'd advise using more sophisticated words to display your ire to the world, not only does it make you seem a lot more intelligent and respectable, but it also makes your argument a lot more readable. I sincerely doubt that people will listen to "arg! this weapon fails now, give it power now you killed it!" the same way they would "This weapon recieved a rather overzealous debuff, I believe that it should have some of it's previous power restored". Just a piece of advice, you know, in case you ever find yourself in a similar situation in the future. And I expect that it happens rather regularly to you.

See? Mr. Steve (whom posted above this post) is much nicer to read, it's a lot easier to go to his side, since he isn't trying to openly bad-mouth someone else, makes them seem a much wiser person, you know, not having a hissy-fit with some person on the internet. Mr. Steve, I understand and respect your opinion, you raise a fair point, and perhaps the balancing team overshot the marker, unfortunately I haven't been gifted with the luck of recieving a magical Typhoon in my packs, or in fact any Ultra-Rare item for quite a while now, so I cannot hold any true judgement on how bad it is now, but hopefully if you keep topics regarding an overzealous increase nearby the front of the forums, full of posts like yours, then perhaps Bioware may take notice and relook at their action towards it. It is a rather difficult weapon to acquire, after all, let alone get to a level where at it's supposedly-low effect state it will hold its own under the normal conditions of a Platinum bout, which you would expect it to be designed for. In the meantime, I think that the Harrier will serve you well, the demolisher seems to be almost designed for it.

Modifié par GroverA125, 31 juillet 2012 - 11:56 .


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Rifneno wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

You just don't get it do you. It's called looking on the good side of life. If it was as powerful as you all claimed before the patch, then it should still hold some weight. Your attempts to intimidate me aren't working by the way.

"Always look on the bright side of life" *whistles*


"Intimidate"?  You obviously don't even know what that word means.  What I'm doing is pointing out that you don't have a typhoon, hell, you're still working on the krysae and reegar from 2 months ago.  You're not exactly out there playing gold or platinum all the time and seeing the difference.  You're just spouting your nonsense and fictional math at people who, unlike you, actually spent a lot of time to earn this gun that just got neutered.  You have no clue and you have no investment.  We have a right to be pissed.

>Judges what difficulty you play on
>By two weapons you don't have maxed and might not even use
Uhh, I don't see the logic in this.

Also, you have absolutely no right to be pissed at a video game developer changing a weapon stat in their video game. That's just immature.

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MacGarrus wrote...

>Judges what difficulty you play on
>By two weapons you don't have maxed and might not even use
Uhh, I don't see the logic in this.

Also, you have absolutely no right to be pissed at a video game developer changing a weapon stat in their video game. That's just immature.


Should've known I'd have to connect the dots for SOMEONE, no matter how close and few those dots are.  UR's are supposed to good for platinum, let alone gold.  If you play silver, you're operating by a different set of rules.  One that doesn't require you to be in cover the majority of the time.  One where a mook across the map shooting at you doesn't mean you have to lay low and let your shields recover.  And as this weapon sucks for the first 1.5 seconds, the ability to stay exposed for extended periods kind of matters.

Yes, we do have a right to be pissed when they put something in, we work for it, earn it, and then they change it so it wasn't worth the effort we put in.  If you think otherwise... well, I can't finish that thought here.

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I can't even get the thing and it's already been nerfed TWICE. This is ridiculous.

This


You do realise that the first so called nerf didn't effect the weapon in the slieghtist?

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Rifneno wrote...

MacGarrus wrote...

>Judges what difficulty you play on
>By two weapons you don't have maxed and might not even use
Uhh, I don't see the logic in this.

Also, you have absolutely no right to be pissed at a video game developer changing a weapon stat in their video game. That's just immature.


Should've known I'd have to connect the dots for SOMEONE, no matter how close and few those dots are.  UR's are supposed to good for platinum, let alone gold.  If you play silver, you're operating by a different set of rules.  One that doesn't require you to be in cover the majority of the time.  One where a mook across the map shooting at you doesn't mean you have to lay low and let your shields recover.  And as this weapon sucks for the first 1.5 seconds, the ability to stay exposed for extended periods kind of matters.

Yes, we do have a right to be pissed when they put something in, we work for it, earn it, and then they change it so it wasn't worth the effort we put in.  If you think otherwise... well, I can't finish that thought here.


You see, you just haven't listened. Again, you make it sound like you are in superiority over another. It makes your point seem more childish. Try using nicer words and directing your thoughts into a positive communication, then it'll be a lot easier to relate to your upset feelings regarding such a debuff.

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These pointless bait and switch tactics of balance changes is why I only play to get my commendation packs on the operation weekends

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GroverA125 wrote...

You see, you just haven't listened. Again, you make it sound like you are in superiority over another. It makes your point seem more childish. Try using nicer words and directing your thoughts into a positive communication, then it'll be a lot easier to relate to your upset feelings regarding such a debuff.


I don't your pity, I want the gun I busted my hump for.  And that's not going to happen.

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vonSlash wrote...

cuzIMgood wrote...

its THAT guy wrote...

IDC if you won this fight, the battle over the piranha is still on for next week.

There is no battle.  Bioware makes changes some like it, some don't.  Basically, get over it.


I'm starting to develop a theory about that. When a new DLC comes out, Bioware intentionally releases one OP'd weapon and doesn't nerf it for a few weeks, in the hope that many of the players will spend their money on packs to get this 'great new gun' that makes multiplayer so much easier. With Resurgence, we had the Kishock, which was the best sniper in the game for headshotting bosses back when bosses could be headshotted. With Rebellion, we had the Krysae, which was a three-round rocket sniper with better than Black Widow damage and decent stagger in a large AoE. And now, with Earth, we have the Piranha, which is an auto-shottie with better DPS than the Claymore and only half the weight. The Kishock and the Krysae both got nerfed around the time that the next DLC showed up (when many people already had the weapons and most people weren't too excited about them anymore). So, assuming this is true, there will be a Piranha nerf eventually, but not for a few weeks more at the earliest.


Very interesting perspective and I agree. It seems to match up with everything we've seen thus far.

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Rifneno wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

You see, you just haven't listened. Again, you make it sound like you are in superiority over another. It makes your point seem more childish. Try using nicer words and directing your thoughts into a positive communication, then it'll be a lot easier to relate to your upset feelings regarding such a debuff.


I don't your pity, I want the gun I busted my hump for.  And that's not going to happen.


As a matter of fact, if you were to be reasonable and communicate in a less offensive way, then perhaps you would turn more ears. Word spreads better when the people spreading it increase, and alienating others in the community with outbursts such as your previous two do not help the matter much. I recall the term is "No point crying over spilt milk". If you are upset about the debuff, then acting civilised and enlisting the support of others to your cause will likely yield more results then hate threads and petty arguments between one individual and a number of others will.

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GroverA125 wrote...

As a matter of fact, if you were to be reasonable and communicate in a less offensive way, then perhaps you would turn more ears. Word spreads better when the people spreading it increase, and alienating others in the community with outbursts such as your previous two do not help the matter much. I recall the term is "No point crying over spilt milk". If you are upset about the debuff, then acting civilised and enlisting the support of others to your cause will likely yield more results then hate threads and petty arguments between one individual and a number of others will.


Because it's not like 90% of the community was openly very opposed to the nerf and they went through with it anyway.

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GroverA125 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

You see, you just haven't listened. Again, you make it sound like you are in superiority over another. It makes your point seem more childish. Try using nicer words and directing your thoughts into a positive communication, then it'll be a lot easier to relate to your upset feelings regarding such a debuff.


I don't your pity, I want the gun I busted my hump for.  And that's not going to happen.


As a matter of fact, if you were to be reasonable and communicate in a less offensive way, then perhaps you would turn more ears. Word spreads better when the people spreading it increase, and alienating others in the community with outbursts such as your previous two do not help the matter much. I recall the term is "No point crying over spilt milk". If you are upset about the debuff, then acting civilised and enlisting the support of others to your cause will likely yield more results then hate threads and petty arguments between one individual and a number of others will.


Yes and no.

While getting through to someone and putting them down may not work it is sometimes necessary for rhetorical effect.

Polite speech is not political speech. Having a strong opinion means somebody is gonna be offended. That's life.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 01 août 2012 - 12:25 .


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Rifneno wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

As a matter of fact, if you were to be reasonable and communicate in a less offensive way, then perhaps you would turn more ears. Word spreads better when the people spreading it increase, and alienating others in the community with outbursts such as your previous two do not help the matter much. I recall the term is "No point crying over spilt milk". If you are upset about the debuff, then acting civilised and enlisting the support of others to your cause will likely yield more results then hate threads and petty arguments between one individual and a number of others will.


Because it's not like 90% of the community was openly very opposed to the nerf and they went through with it anyway.


I don't see your point. 90% of the world didn't want to get into a war, sadly it still happened.

I believe Bioware are "testing the waters", performing a change that was originally a touchy subject to see the reaction it causes. Remember, they use the servers to observe the numbers of certain items, objects or classes used. If they find that a large, significantly different amount of players are using a certain weapon, logic dictates that a balance should be tested to see what effect it has. The result would dictate the effect. If no-one uses the Typhoon anymore, then it is likely that it will recieve a buff, as to make the numbers insignificantly different. It's the same reason they took a look at infiltrators, because nearly a third of all players on Gold used it. They use the same system here. If they do it wrong and the effect is drastically negative, they will follow the "paladin" path, making up for the loss they made to rejuvenate it, if they get it right, then it'll stay.

And all of what I said can be condensed into one small sentence: If you do nothing, then nothing will happen to the Typhoon.

And Binary Helix: You are correct, however, if you pull enough people away with your actions defending your point, then you return to square one. A reasonable amount of offense should be used, but that amount is likely small when the idea is to gain the support of the community. Insulting a certain group of the community will likely remove any support, and people will not associate themselves in the same group.

Modifié par GroverA125, 01 août 2012 - 12:22 .


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Sp3c7eR wrote...

Disappointed with nerfs to typhoon and devastator mode. Could go on an epic rant but I think nobody will read it so I'll leave it at that.


how is the typhoon now? Super bad or still pretty good?

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Ok... I've just tested the Typhoon and compared it to What I Know the Revenant can do...

The thing still chews through Atlas's like a hot knife through butter...
So it doesn't do it like the butter is sat on a hotplate in the middle of death valley?
Is that really that big a deal?

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DHKany wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

Disappointed with nerfs to typhoon and devastator mode. Could go on an epic rant but I think nobody will read it so I'll leave it at that.


how is the typhoon now? Super bad or still pretty good?


It takes about 3.5-4 clips to do what took 2 before, so yeah, bad.

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GroverA125 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Like I said before: If a weapon is twice as good as the others, and it gets a 25% debuff, you're still over 100%. I suppose it will be a noticable amount worse now, but it's a worse version of one of the best. Looking at it that way, it kinda cancels it out.


I wonder if I'd have such a glorious misunderstanding of game mechanics if I was still working on maxing out Rebellion rares too.  Hmm.  Guess we'll never know.


You just don't get it do you. It's called looking on the good side of life. If it was as powerful as you all claimed before the patch, then it should still hold some weight. Your attempts to intimidate me aren't working by the way.

"Always look on the bright side of life" *whistles*


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I just used the typhoon on a turian soldier against the geth and it is a complete P.O.S. now. I remember shredding guys to bits with this gun. Now it takes almost 100 bullets (all hitting) to take down a pyro on silver, and the max 500 ammo given is not enough to take down a geth prime on silver. Useless!

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Rifneno wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

Disappointed with nerfs to typhoon and devastator mode. Could go on an epic rant but I think nobody will read it so I'll leave it at that.


how is the typhoon now? Super bad or still pretty good?


It takes about 3.5-4 clips to do what took 2 before, so yeah, bad.


I feel you pain.  I have it at V and think about all the PSP that I bought, and thought about all my good luck, and then it gets nerfed.   I have not tested it yet, but I am going to compare it to the revenant and see what the difference is.  If it is not significantly better than the revenant, then wtf?

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Please, shut up. If you hadn't noticed, they also gave us the biggest buff to date, which is reduced shield gate.


LOL

Oh bsn, reaching new levels of stupidity every day.

FYI you can't even 1-shot shielded enemies with a widow headshot from cloak on gold after this ''buff'', 10% is so insignificant it makes absolutely no difference.

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Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

vonSlash wrote...

cuzIMgood wrote...

its THAT guy wrote...

IDC if you won this fight, the battle over the piranha is still on for next week.

There is no battle.  Bioware makes changes some like it, some don't.  Basically, get over it.


I'm starting to develop a theory about that. When a new DLC comes out, Bioware intentionally releases one OP'd weapon and doesn't nerf it for a few weeks, in the hope that many of the players will spend their money on packs to get this 'great new gun' that makes multiplayer so much easier. With Resurgence, we had the Kishock, which was the best sniper in the game for headshotting bosses back when bosses could be headshotted. With Rebellion, we had the Krysae, which was a three-round rocket sniper with better than Black Widow damage and decent stagger in a large AoE. And now, with Earth, we have the Piranha, which is an auto-shottie with better DPS than the Claymore and only half the weight. The Kishock and the Krysae both got nerfed around the time that the next DLC showed up (when many people already had the weapons and most people weren't too excited about them anymore). So, assuming this is true, there will be a Piranha nerf eventually, but not for a few weeks more at the earliest.


Very interesting perspective and I agree. It seems to match up with everything we've seen thus far.


I'm having a lot of trouble lately not thinking just that.

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I don't understand why they felt it was necessary to reduce the output by 25%. Obviously this won't be too bad if you use consumables, but not everyone is as good at the game as most of the people who used their time and effort to obtain this weapon. The good players can shrug it off, but the nerf is hurting the "swing voters," or "casual" crowd, not curtailing the amount of bodies on the floor from the killing sprees that skilled players excel at. It's almost as if they don't know who their market for this game is anymore.

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dday3six wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

vonSlash wrote...

cuzIMgood wrote...

its THAT guy wrote...

IDC if you won this fight, the battle over the piranha is still on for next week.

There is no battle.  Bioware makes changes some like it, some don't.  Basically, get over it.


I'm starting to develop a theory about that. When a new DLC comes out, Bioware intentionally releases one OP'd weapon and doesn't nerf it for a few weeks, in the hope that many of the players will spend their money on packs to get this 'great new gun' that makes multiplayer so much easier. With Resurgence, we had the Kishock, which was the best sniper in the game for headshotting bosses back when bosses could be headshotted. With Rebellion, we had the Krysae, which was a three-round rocket sniper with better than Black Widow damage and decent stagger in a large AoE. And now, with Earth, we have the Piranha, which is an auto-shottie with better DPS than the Claymore and only half the weight. The Kishock and the Krysae both got nerfed around the time that the next DLC showed up (when many people already had the weapons and most people weren't too excited about them anymore). So, assuming this is true, there will be a Piranha nerf eventually, but not for a few weeks more at the earliest.


Very interesting perspective and I agree. It seems to match up with everything we've seen thus far.


I'm having a lot of trouble lately not thinking just that.


This is rather insightful and insidious. I'm hoping this theory is invalid, but now you've got me thinking...