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[kingthrall]

yeh pretty much

[rubels1986]

Games are good in different ways.
From all the games i´ve played Planescape Torment is by far the
best but it doesn´t have the same replay value as say BG2.
DA had huge potential for replay value because of it being very combat oriantated,
with different creatures etc but there´s just close to zero variation in talent choices
except if you want to play something clearly suboptimal besides mage.
It´s like one clearly optimal build for warr/rogues and than some more for mages.
Maybe this is because the BG series ( the second one mostly ) had such
variation in race/class/weapons that i had higher expectations.

Modifié par rubels1986, 20 décembre 2009 - 02:44 .

[kingthrall]

rubels1986 wrote...

Games are good in different ways.
From all the games i´ve played Planescape Torment is by far the
best but it doesn´t have the same replay value as say BG2.
DA had huge potential for replay value because of it being very combat oriantated,
with different creatures etc but there´s just close to zero variation in talent choices
except if you want to play something clearly suboptimal besides mage.
It´s like one clearly optimal build for warr/rogues and than some more for mages.
Maybe this is because the BG series ( the second one mostly ) had such
variation in race/class/weapons that i had higher expectations.

however myth 2 is better, because its 11 years old. Runs the longest running and biggest online tournement for a game every year. and has about a 4 page list of features not found in most modern day games.

www.youtube.com/watch

[whtnyte-raernst]

F-C wrote...

so it looks almost as good as diablo2 now?

And why the diss to D2?
Diablo II:LOD is still very muc alive and still popular online.
Blizzard just released a patch with updated content on December 10th, 2009
(They wanted to increase the size of your stash, but the servers wouldn't work with it for some reason).

[SphereofSilence]

kingthrall wrote...

play myth 2 soublighter, most under rated game ever made. I guarantee anyone who plays this game will be immesely satisfied with their 10 dollar purchase off amazon.

Dragon age was excellent and you are correct in what you are saying, Myth 2 is a better game with a much darker and better plot with better gameplay. Needless to say i wont repreat myself any further.

That reminds me of how dark the Myth series was. BW ought to get a few pointers on how to make a compellingly dark toned universe/story from Bungie. 

Myth 2 is in my list of some of the best games I've ever played. Myth series had this knack of telling great stories, I just can't put my finger on what exactly made it so amazing.

Modifié par SphereofSilence, 20 décembre 2009 - 03:10 .

[kingthrall]

whtnyte-raernst wrote...

F-C wrote...

so it looks almost as good as diablo2 now?

And why the diss to D2?
Diablo II:LOD is still very muc alive and still popular online.
Blizzard just released a patch with updated content on December 10th, 2009
(They wanted to increase the size of your stash, but the servers wouldn't work with it for some reason).

lol, how can you say the game is bad because its looks like myth 2, myth 2 is 11 years old with a multiplayer community of around 200 -300 players in the busy tournement seasons. To be compared to myth 2 is more like an honor to one of the great grand daddy games of the online age.

[Sylixe]

Majonese wrote...

I saw that this game got excellent reviews: 95 points out of 100. It has to be groundbreaking? Nope, it is just same garbage. Yeah, the story for this game is good and has epic lord of the rings fealing on it. Everything else seems to stolen from Neverwinter Nights 2. Also the game somehow reminds me of Mass Effect 2 (Which I can not deny of having a great plot)

Anyway what is wrong with it then?
The most important aspect of role playing game is character development. This game has none of that. You can put few silly points to strength or even get some amazingly useless skills like poison making or some useless combat skill. You get only few of these skills points, so you can max out only few skills ... Good thing is that there are only few skills to max and most of them are beyond useless. I guess they somehow thought that Mass Effect had good level up system and decided to add it to this game and make it even more minimal.

Seems like you only need to make a game movie like to get good reviews and sell games nowdays, forget everything else

Well now that you got that off your chest.  What exactly is your perfect RPG in today's market and why?

[Tirigon]

rubels1986 wrote...

Games are good in different ways.
From all the games i´ve played Planescape Torment is by far the
best but it doesn´t have the same replay value as say BG2.
DA had huge potential for replay value because of it being very combat oriantated,
with different creatures etc but there´s just close to zero variation in talent choices
except if you want to play something clearly suboptimal besides mage.
It´s like one clearly optimal build for warr/rogues and than some more for mages.
Maybe this is because the BG series ( the second one mostly ) had such
variation in race/class/weapons that i had higher expectations.

There are different ways of building your character....
There is not one optimal build for every class.
IMO, there is no useless talent / spell at all, there are a few which I cant use correctly, or which are useless for me because they dont fit to my way of playing, but all of them can be useful to other players.

[SphereofSilence]

Tirigon wrote...

There is not one optimal build for every class.

I disagree. 

[kingthrall]

SphereofSilence wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

There is not one optimal build for every class.

I disagree. 

I also disagree

[rubels1986]

Tirigon wrote...

rubels1986 wrote...

Games are good in different ways.
From all the games i´ve played Planescape Torment is by far the
best but it doesn´t have the same replay value as say BG2.
DA had huge potential for replay value because of it being very combat oriantated,
with different creatures etc but there´s just close to zero variation in talent choices
except if you want to play something clearly suboptimal besides mage.
It´s like one clearly optimal build for warr/rogues and than some more for mages.
Maybe this is because the BG series ( the second one mostly ) had such
variation in race/class/weapons that i had higher expectations.

There are different ways of building your character....
There is not one optimal build for every class.
IMO, there is no useless talent / spell at all, there are a few which I cant use correctly, or which are useless for me because they dont fit to my way of playing, but all of them can be useful to other players.

Yes, there´s different ways of building a character, but all of them are not optimal.
No, no spell or talent is useless but a lot of them are very close to being useless
without giving away exact spells or talents.
This combat system is built almost identically to WoW in my opinion.
DPS, tank, healer and to some extent disabler.
For each of those there are talent/attribute systems that just does the job better
even though you can certainly get by with other builds aswell.
Like i said there are a lot of people including myself that like to build the "best group"
possible to defeat the game and for that the variation in builds are close to non existant.
It´s just a shame that they did make this part poorly in my opinion especially when the
game had a lot of potential for replay value and so much information in front of them.

Modifié par rubels1986, 20 décembre 2009 - 03:19 .

[Sylixe]

rubels1986 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

rubels1986 wrote...

Games are good in different ways.
From all the games i´ve played Planescape Torment is by far the
best but it doesn´t have the same replay value as say BG2.
DA had huge potential for replay value because of it being very combat oriantated,
with different creatures etc but there´s just close to zero variation in talent choices
except if you want to play something clearly suboptimal besides mage.
It´s like one clearly optimal build for warr/rogues and than some more for mages.
Maybe this is because the BG series ( the second one mostly ) had such
variation in race/class/weapons that i had higher expectations.

There are different ways of building your character....
There is not one optimal build for every class.
IMO, there is no useless talent / spell at all, there are a few which I cant use correctly, or which are useless for me because they dont fit to my way of playing, but all of them can be useful to other players.

Yes, there´s different ways of building a character, but all of them are not optimal.
No, no spell or talent is useless but a lot of them are very close to being useless
without giving away exact spells or talents.
This combat system is built almost identically to WoW in my opinion.
DPS, tank, healer and to some extent disabler.
For each of those there are talent/attribute systems that just does the job better
even though you can certainly get by with other builds aswell.
Like i said there are a lot of people including myself that like to build the "best group"
possible to defeat the game and for that the variation in builds are close to non existant.
It´s just a shame that they did make this part poorly in my opinion especially when the
game had much potential for replay value and so much information in front of them.

Yeah, because when i start off a P&P RPG session i like to play it with a group that lacks a Tank, Healer and DPS.  You know RPG computer games existed before that pile of garbage WoW was created?

[whtnyte-raernst]

kingthrall wrote...

whtnyte-raernst wrote...

F-C wrote...

so it looks almost as good as diablo2 now?

And why the diss to D2?
Diablo II:LOD is still very muc alive and still popular online.
Blizzard just released a patch with updated content on December 10th, 2009
(They wanted to increase the size of your stash, but the servers wouldn't work with it for some reason).

lol, how can you say the game is bad because its looks like myth 2, myth 2 is 11 years old with a multiplayer community of around 200 -300 players in the busy tournement seasons. To be compared to myth 2 is more like an honor to one of the great grand daddy games of the online age.

Exactly, Diablo II is 10 years old now and has been consistantly supported and updated over it's long life. Just because it doesn't have the latest eye candy doesn't suddenly make it a bad game.

Some of the greatest games of all time are still a lot of fun to play, and will probably continue to be played by many long after the current crop of GOTYs is forgotten in favor of the newest eyecandy laden, full immersion experience games.

I swear, I think people have forgotten that they play games to have FUN!

[rubels1986]

Sylixe wrote...

rubels1986 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

rubels1986 wrote...

Games are good in different ways.
From all the games i´ve played Planescape Torment is by far the
best but it doesn´t have the same replay value as say BG2.
DA had huge potential for replay value because of it being very combat oriantated,
with different creatures etc but there´s just close to zero variation in talent choices
except if you want to play something clearly suboptimal besides mage.
It´s like one clearly optimal build for warr/rogues and than some more for mages.
Maybe this is because the BG series ( the second one mostly ) had such
variation in race/class/weapons that i had higher expectations.

There are different ways of building your character....
There is not one optimal build for every class.
IMO, there is no useless talent / spell at all, there are a few which I cant use correctly, or which are useless for me because they dont fit to my way of playing, but all of them can be useful to other players.

Yes, there´s different ways of building a character, but all of them are not optimal.
No, no spell or talent is useless but a lot of them are very close to being useless
without giving away exact spells or talents.
This combat system is built almost identically to WoW in my opinion.
DPS, tank, healer and to some extent disabler.
For each of those there are talent/attribute systems that just does the job better
even though you can certainly get by with other builds aswell.
Like i said there are a lot of people including myself that like to build the "best group"
possible to defeat the game and for that the variation in builds are close to non existant.
It´s just a shame that they did make this part poorly in my opinion especially when the
game had much potential for replay value and so much information in front of them.

Yeah, because when i start off a P&P RPG session i like to play it with a group that lacks a Tank, Healer and DPS.  You know RPG computer games existed before that pile of garbage WoW was created?

I don´t understand what you mean and i don´t play wow but the combat
system in DA is very, very similiar to that WoW uses.
I agree that WoW is garbage.
Replay value almost excusively has to do with the combat
oriantated part of the game after a certain point in my experience.
To me the story isn´t really that good either but DA gets away with most of its
flaws because even though there´s very little innovative thinking it still works out.

Modifié par rubels1986, 20 décembre 2009 - 03:30 .

[kingthrall]

wow is a piece of **** any anyone who says otherwise should be flogged and buried with rocks

[whtnyte-raernst]

kingthrall wrote...

wow is a piece of **** any anyone who says otherwise should be flogged and buried with rocks

I can wholeheartedly agree with that. I have played computer games since 1978 and have not ever purchased a game, then paid a monthly fee on top of that just for the right to play what I already purchased!

I don't drink koolaid either )

[kingthrall]

lol 1978, ive been playing since 1993ish. I find a lot of the older stuff especially zork series, the neverhood, starcraft, sacred, army men and worms great games.



Its like with everything now, the smaller places such as your local butcher are disspearing as bigger companies take over leaving less quality.



what is koolaid?

[F-C]

whtnyte-raernst wrote...

And why the diss to D2?
Diablo II:LOD is still very muc alive and still popular online.
Blizzard just released a patch with updated content on December 10th, 2009
(They wanted to increase the size of your stash, but the servers wouldn't work with it for some reason).

meh, i dont think you are right about that patch, i just logged on D2 to check and it did not download any new patch, so yeah. my characters are still exactly the same, and they havent reset the ladder in almost 2 years now because they just cant be bothered with it.

anyways look at DAO then look at diablo2. its like night and day, d2 graphics suck and dao are decent, and its not even the best graphics available.

the only reason d2 is still popular at all anymore in my opinion is because its basically free and it will run on any computer thats 15 years old, doesnt matter.

id also be willing to bet that 50% or more of the 'community' when you log on D2 are spam bots and automated farming bots.

i really dont have much good to say about d2 anymore. back in the day it was great fun, but today its just trash.

Modifié par F-C, 20 décembre 2009 - 03:47 .

[Altharas]

kingthrall wrote...

wow is a piece of **** any anyone who says otherwise should be flogged and buried with rocks

I really don't get the WoW hate. The aim of games is to be fun, WoW has (Lost track of how many since i haven't played for sometime so i'm going to make a guess here) 8+ million subscribers.

So not only were people willing to spend upto £60 (20 per game/expansion) but they're also willing to pay an additional £9 every month. I'm sure people do that because the game is garbage and in no way shape or form fun.

[kingthrall]

F-C wrote...

whtnyte-raernst wrote...

And why the diss to D2?
Diablo II:LOD is still very muc alive and still popular online.
Blizzard just released a patch with updated content on December 10th, 2009
(They wanted to increase the size of your stash, but the servers wouldn't work with it for some reason).

meh, i dont think you are right about that patch, i just logged on D2 to check and it did not download any new patch, so yeah. my characters are still exactly the same, and they havent reset the ladder in almost 2 years now because they just cant be bothered with it.

anyways look at DAO then look at diablo2. its like night and day, d2 graphics suck and dao are decent, and its not even the best graphics available.

the only reason d2 is still popular at all anymore in my opinion is because its basically free and it will run on any computer thats 15 years old, doesnt matter.

id also be willing to bet that 50% or more of the 'community' when you log on D2 are spam bots and automated farming bots.

i really dont have much good to say about d2 anymore. back in the day it was great fun, but today its just trash.

myth 2 is still a high quality game, and you can not say otherwise

[whtnyte-raernst]

F-C wrote...

whtnyte-raernst wrote...

And why the diss to D2?
Diablo II:LOD is still very muc alive and still popular online.
Blizzard just released a patch with updated content on December 10th, 2009
(They wanted to increase the size of your stash, but the servers wouldn't work with it for some reason).

meh, i dont think you are right about that patch, i just logged on D2 to check and it did not download any new patch, so yeah. my characters are still exactly the same, and they havent reset the ladder in almost 2 years now because they just cant be bothered with it.

anyways look at DAO then look at diablo2. its like night and day, d2 graphics suck and dao are decent, and its not even the best graphics available.

the only reason d2 is still popular at all anymore in my opinion is because its basically free and it will run on any computer thats 15 years old, doesnt matter.

id also be willing to bet that 50% or more of the 'community' when you log on D2 are spam bots and automated farming bots.

i really dont have much good to say about d2 anymore. back in the day it was great fun, but today its just trash.

forums.battle.net/thread.html

0. 1.13 PTR is LIVE – Patch Notes & FAQ   12/10/2009 01:28:56 PM PST


“We traveled for an eternity...” - Marius



Travel no longer my friends - the Diablo II 1.13 Public Test Realm is LIVE!

My mistake then, it hasn't been put on battle.net yet.

ETA:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

- Patch 1.13

--------------------------------------------------------------------------



A new Mystery has been revealed!



- Players of Hell Difficulty Realm games are hereby warned once again,

that a series of new and challenging tests await you! The answer lies

within Diablo's Bosses, which span across the world from the Den of Evil

to the Throne of Destruction...


Hmmm, Blizzard adding new content? But then, the game is trash, Blizzard doesn't care about it and no one still plays it right???

Modifié par whtnyte-raernst, 20 décembre 2009 - 04:00 .

[F-C]

Altharas wrote...

kingthrall wrote...

wow is a piece of **** any anyone who says otherwise should be flogged and buried with rocks

I really don't get the WoW hate. The aim of games is to be fun, WoW has (Lost track of how many since i haven't played for sometime so i'm going to make a guess here) 8+ million subscribers.

So not only were people willing to spend upto £60 (20 per game/expansion) but they're also willing to pay an additional £9 every month. I'm sure people do that because the game is garbage and in no way shape or form fun.

wow is great for children and house wives who have nothing better to do than sit at a computer 8 hours a day.

thats about it.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

rubels1986 wrote...

I don´t understand what you mean and i don´t play wow but the combat
system in DA is very, very similiar to that WoW uses.
I agree that WoW is garbage.
Replay value almost excusively has to do with the combat
oriantated part of the game after a certain point in my experience.
To me the story isn´t really that good either but DA gets away with most of its
flaws because even though there´s very little innovative thinking it still works out.

So, watched videos of people playing wow or seen a friend/relative playing it?

Otherwise, how could you say it is similar a system to what WoW uses?

Firstly, considering you have stated you've played BG and not WoW makes me wonder how you can state such a thing?  From anyone one of the standard "There was no RPGs before WoW" type attitudes of people, I could understand it, but not someone whom has played other RPGs before it.

By WoW I also take it you mean the standard 'holy trinity' of tank, dps and healer. Sorry but again this is another false nod to WoW, that system was in place well before WoW.

You can easily play DAO without using the trinity system. This is proven by the fact some people have stated how they have soloed the game.

If you are referring to the use of talents and spells, erm, most RPGs before WoW had them as you would know if you have played BG and previous RPGs.

So it isn't just similar to a system WoW uses but countless other games including to some extent BG.

DAO has a lot of replay value if you want to fully try the different variables you can try and different possible endings.

[Sunder_2]

[quote] myth 2 is still a high quality game, and you can not say otherwise [quote}



Actually, i can, Myth 2 suxxors.........there. Who cares? it's opinion, not fact. Not to drag this further off topic, but they are going to be patching D2- just enetered beta testing- can find out more here: http://pc.ign.com/ar.../1054526p1.html



WOW- never played it, might suck, might not..........it's still just my opinion.......so why argue over something that has no correct answer?

[arntson]

Tirigon wrote...

rubels1986 wrote...

Games are good in different ways.
From all the games i´ve played Planescape Torment is by far the
best but it doesn´t have the same replay value as say BG2.
DA had huge potential for replay value because of it being very combat oriantated,
with different creatures etc but there´s just close to zero variation in talent choices
except if you want to play something clearly suboptimal besides mage.
It´s like one clearly optimal build for warr/rogues and than some more for mages.
Maybe this is because the BG series ( the second one mostly ) had such
variation in race/class/weapons that i had higher expectations.

There are different ways of building your character....
There is not one optimal build for every class.
IMO, there is no useless talent / spell at all, there are a few which I cant use correctly, or which are useless for me because they dont fit to my way of playing, but all of them can be useful to other players.

I agree with this i have yet to see a useless skill maybe theyre a couple that dont fit into my play style...
anyways to the person says duels are better that 2hs i dare you say that to ohgren