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[Miniditka77]

Ashen Earth wrote...



Maybe it might be somewhat useful at rank X...

I don't have the Typhoon.  But what I get from your graphic is that the Typhoon V has pretty much equivalent DPS to the Revenant (a little worse Burst, significantly better Sustained), has a bigger clip, and will land more shots than the Revenant due to better accuracy (thus giving it a DPS advantage).  I don't know how you can say that it's not useful based on these stats.  Gameplay might be a different story, but I can't comment on that because I don't have it.

[Pedactor]

Uh,

Label me confused:

How do you make the Revanant not take an entire clip to hit anything that isn't 5 feet from you? Marksman? Hunter mode accuracy?

Typhoon, even with the nerf, is usable. I've tried the Revanant. It's too inaccurate to be usable unless you only shoot with Marksman up and even then, so many guns are better.

Unless I'm missing something.

Is there a smart choke for AR's that I'm not aware of?

[Arppis]

Pedactor wrote...

Uh,

Label me confused:

How do you make the Revanant not take an entire clip to hit anything that isn't 5 feet from you? Marksman? Hunter mode accuracy?

Typhoon, even with the nerf, is usable. I've tried the Revanant. It's too inaccurate to be usable unless you only shoot with Marksman up and even then, so many guns are better.

Unless I'm missing something.

Is there a smart choke for AR's that I'm not aware of?

Not really, sadly. But I remember using it on one game. I didn't have trouble using Revenant then.

[Ashen One]

ZephyrAM wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...



Maybe it might be somewhat useful at rank X...

So it's got twice the Accuracy, innate AP, higher Sustained DPS, and it would have high DPS vs Armor on that chart, except you put the AP mod on the Revenant and not on the Typhoon.

It's still easily the better gun, especially if you aren't right up in the enemies face.

The innate AP is the reason there is no AP mod on the gun. Why is it exactly, that the sustained DPS is so much higher? I skipped the AP mod on the Typhoon for the extended magazine. It looks much less appealing if it's using an AP/EB mod instead of the innate AP, and the extended magazine.



Consider that the Typhoon is also a lot heavier, which limits it's use on most classes in the game. The recoil is also a lot worse.



And as with all weapons that have a warm up period, you have to start all over again if you are staggered while firing. Have you tried using the Typhoon on a non-Destroyer against the Geth? The Revenant doesn't suffer that weakness. So who other than the Destroyer (who doesn't care about weapon weight) would have a use for this gun?

[Broskey Demands]

SkyyRaine wrote...

Hmm. Here's the N7 Typhoon at X compared to the Revenant X.

The average gamer only has Typhoon I if they're lucky. I'll stick with my Revenant X.

[ZephyrAM]

I did edit my post on the AP aspect, missed that bit.

As for the recoil and weight, it's still far more accurate at range then the Revenant regardless, and while the weight is somewhat prohibitive, there are other classes/builds that aren't afraid to overburden themselves. This is of course not a gun for power spammers, but it does have its place.

And sadly I don't have the Typhoon yet, I'm going based on the numbers posted and the many, many I've seen use it in matches. As they use it almost exclusively from across the room, or map, it has it's upsides.

[Ashen One]

Miniditka77 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...



Maybe it might be somewhat useful at rank X...

I don't have the Typhoon.  But what I get from your graphic is that the Typhoon V has pretty much equivalent DPS to the Revenant (a little worse Burst, significantly better Sustained)

Sustained DPS is only "significantly" better if you're using the extended magazine. The difference is minimal if you're using another weapon mod in it's place. If you are staggered while firing, your sustained DPS with a Typhoon will suffer greatly. A Revenant will continue to shoot at the same RoF without warming up. The Typhoon exposes you to a lot more fire as well.

Miniditka77 wrote...
has a bigger clip, and will land more shots than the Revenant due to better accuracy (thus giving it a DPS advantage).

The recoil is far worse, so whether or not you would land more shots with a Typhoon is debatable.

Miniditka77 wrote...
I don't know how you can say that it's not useful based on these stats.  Gameplay might be a different story, but I can't comment on that because I don't have it.

I say that because the weapon weight keeps it from being better on anything but a Destroyer, and even then it's questionable.

[AbhijitSM]

NucularPikinic wrote...

TMB903 wrote...

They can easily buff it back to how it was soon...I know they see the feedback about it and it's rare the MP community almost overwhelmingly agrees a nerf was unnecessary

It's also rare that the MP community overwhelmingly agrees a nerf was necessary in the first place.

Who complained about the Typhoon? I thought it was awesome, too bad I didn't even get a single rank for it. How many community members actually had it and were calling nerfs?

I had seen a few threads last week or so from "nerf babies" who posted about how powerful it was on silver with AP ammo 4 on it & the another one was how he got outscored while playing a demolisher by 2 destroyers with lvl x typhoons doing a lot of damage together to all enemies <_<

[Psycho Pisces]

All I can say is at least you got to ENJOY the Typhoon .. Lol... 6 million credits later, Maxing appearances for EVERY character and all the weapon mods..

I get Ammo IV's instead of gear, can't even get a Harrier to save my soul, let alone a typhoon. It's just so enjoyable getting trolled by the RNG.

But I'm not playing for the RNG, I'm playing for the friends so that makes it bearable an why I haven't moved on already.

[Rip504]

Boo Hoo

[Doofe2012]

Bioware needs to just remove every weapon but the Avenger if they really think they can make everything balanced-but-different with a rarity system in place.

[Ares Caesar]

P51Mus7ang wrote...

OP the Typhoon doesn't show in your manifest...??

I am curious about the comments on the Revenant, I have it at X but have never used it, I do sometimes run with the Typhoon however it is only at 1 vs my Harrier at 5, the Harrier is for my game play the better gun at this point, I did run two gold with the Typhoon last evening, one agains cerbie and one Reepers, the change is very noticable however it is still very effective.

My question is with respect to stopping power, personally only use these high power guns for the most part against Boss's, I always carry a second weapon unless cooldown is an issue, that changes everything.

For those who have all three (at work but am curoius) how do they compare vs a boss?

Until the N7 Destroyer was released, there wasnt tons of classes that really made good use of the Revenant (Human+Turian Soldier, and Geth Infil.) , the Destroyer perfectly synergizes with weapons such as the Revenant and Typhoon (Large mag size + high rate of fire).

The biggest reason the Revenant is more appealing now is because of the "burst damage" which easily favors the Revenant due to the "ramp up" mechanic with the Typhoon. Previously the DPS rewards outweighed the "exposure risk" involved with the Typhoon... now because the DPS is hardly any better than a Revenant you're simply better off using the Revenant on Gold/Platinum because you can only usually afford to fire 60-100 rounds before needing to take cover anyway... the Typhoon was still weak in this regard but you could capitalize on those opportunities when enemies werent firing at you and drop bosses quickly.

Now Weight+Exposure+Ramp Up = Benefits no longer outweigh those negatives when you have better alternatives.... especially if you throw in ammo powers and other equipment.

The Revenant is certainly less accurate, but on Gold and Platinum there are enough bosses/armored enemies which have pretty big "hit boxes" making the accuracy aspect mostly irrelevant.

And as other posters have mentioned... throw in the "stagger" mechanic that many enemies have, and the "ramp up" aspect of the Typhoon only becomes that much more of an issue. (Destroyer and Kroguard are the only classes able to avoid this).

I've given up using the Typhoon for now, and will stick with the Revenant and Saber.

Javo2357 wrote...

Pedactor wrote...
The Typhoon reduces damage taken from the front, too, no?

No one has confirmed this yet and I highly doubt it.

No, it does NOT provide any extra protection. I tested vs a Bronze Rocket Trooper (he was literally chasing me around Giant nonstop) and switching between the Indra and Typhoon shooting from both cover vs no cover I concluded that there was NO extra damage reduction provided by the face shield on the Typhoon (merely aesthetic value). Cover simply provides 40% damage reduction and thats it, which is applied to ANY weapon.

Modifié par Ares Caesar, 01 août 2012 - 07:31 .

[Lambda_00]

Ares Caesar wrote...

P51Mus7ang wrote...

OP the Typhoon doesn't show in your manifest...??

I am curious about the comments on the Revenant, I have it at X but have never used it, I do sometimes run with the Typhoon however it is only at 1 vs my Harrier at 5, the Harrier is for my game play the better gun at this point, I did run two gold with the Typhoon last evening, one agains cerbie and one Reepers, the change is very noticable however it is still very effective.

My question is with respect to stopping power, personally only use these high power guns for the most part against Boss's, I always carry a second weapon unless cooldown is an issue, that changes everything.

For those who have all three (at work but am curoius) how do they compare vs a boss?

Until the N7 Destroyer was released, there wasnt tons of classes that really made good use of the Revenant (Human+Turian Soldier, and Geth Infil.) , the Destroyer perfectly synergizes with weapons such as the Revenant and Typhoon (Large mag size + high rate of fire).

The biggest reason the Revenant is more appealing now is because of the "burst damage" which easily favors the Revenant due to the "ramp up" mechanic with the Typhoon. Previously the DPS rewards outweighed the "exposure risk" involved with the Typhoon... now because the DPS is hardly any better than a Revenant you're simply better off using the Revenant on Gold/Platinum because you can only usually afford to fire 60-100 rounds before needing to take cover anyway... the Typhoon was still weak in this regard but you could capitalize on those opportunities when enemies werent firing at you and drop bosses quickly.

Now Weight+Exposure+Ramp Up = Benefits no longer outweigh those negatives when you have better alternatives.... especially if you throw in ammo powers and other equipment.

The Revenant is certainly less accurate, but on Gold and Platinum there are enough bosses/armored enemies which have pretty big "hit boxes" making the accuracy aspect mostly irrelevant.

And as other posters have mentioned... throw in the "stagger" mechanic that many enemies have, and the "ramp up" aspect of the Typhoon only becomes that much more of an issue. (Destroyer and Kroguard are the only classes able to avoid this).

I've given up using the Typhoon for now, and will stick with the Revenant and Saber.

Javo2357 wrote...

Pedactor wrote...
The Typhoon reduces damage taken from the front, too, no?

No one has confirmed this yet and I highly doubt it.

No, it does NOT provide any extra protection. I tested vs a Bronze Rocket Trooper (he was literally chasing me around Giant nonstop) and switching between the Indra and Typhoon shooting from both cover vs no cover I concluded that there was NO extra damage reduction provided by the face shield on the Typhoon (merely aesthetic value). Cover simply provides 40% damage reduction and thats it, which is applied to ANY weapon.

Oddly, the Typhoon is less accurate than the Revenant now.
To get the approx. bullet spread of the pre-nerf typhoon you need it to be fitted with a stability dampener V and the Precision scope, aim from cover and down the sight at the very least (this is with devastator mode enabled).



Now, the damage from the Typhoon X is certainly less than impressive (when compared to the Revenant).

[Miniditka77]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Sustained DPS is only "significantly" better if you're using the extended magazine. The difference is minimal if you're using another weapon mod in it's place. If you are staggered while firing, your sustained DPS with a Typhoon will suffer greatly. A Revenant will continue to shoot at the same RoF without warming up. The Typhoon exposes you to a lot more fire as well.

I also don't have the Destroyer ... but my understanding is that it can't be staggered when it's in Devastator Mode.  Am I wrong?  It's pretty clear (at least to me) that the Typhoon was designed specifically for synchronization with Devastator Mode.  Not saying it shouldn't be used on other characters - just that it isn't going to synch as well.

[Fixx21]

Modifié par Fixx21, 01 août 2012 - 07:53 .

[Nydus Templar]

Man, I cannot get that user script to work.

Edit: Alright, so you have to have Multiplayer Manifest up and running for it to work.  Some clarity would've been nice.

Modifié par Nydus Templar, 01 août 2012 - 07:56 .

[Ashen One]

Miniditka77 wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Sustained DPS is only "significantly" better if you're using the extended magazine. The difference is minimal if you're using another weapon mod in it's place. If you are staggered while firing, your sustained DPS with a Typhoon will suffer greatly. A Revenant will continue to shoot at the same RoF without warming up. The Typhoon exposes you to a lot more fire as well.

I also don't have the Destroyer ... but my understanding is that it can't be staggered when it's in Devastator Mode.  Am I wrong?  It's pretty clear (at least to me) that the Typhoon was designed specifically for synchronization with Devastator Mode.  Not saying it shouldn't be used on other characters - just that it isn't going to synch as well.

You're right. A Destroyer in Devestator Mode is completely immune to all forms of stagger.

And designing a weapon to only be useful on one class or character is crappy design. Nerfing the typhoon because it was OP on the Destroyer has made the gun "balanced" on the Destroyer, but underpowered on everything else in the game.

Or maybe it's just because mine isn't at rank X.

[ka243]

Angelwave wrote...

Well it was good while it lasted. At least we got to use it as a proper Ultra Rare for two weeks,

Most of us didnt get it so this is false.  On the other hand i agree it was nerfed too much.  Ultrarares are supoosed to be much better than rares.

I dont get why theyd nerf it after so litrle time too.  If the gun was used a lot its also partly because of the new and shiny factor.

[MaxShine]

I do not have the typhoon, but I tried out the revenant on the destroyer and it sucked, like the revenant always did... If the typhoon is not significantly better than the revenant, then I would prefer the harrier. The harrier I actually liked on the destroyer, but the revenant was terrible.

Next thing I will try is the Indra X on the destroyer, it should be better than the revenant. The accuracy on the revenant is just horrible, the clip size is useless when only a fraction of the bullets hit the target...

Modifié par 100RenegadePoints, 01 août 2012 - 08:37 .

[BoomDynamite]

Pedactor wrote...

Uh,

Label me confused:

How do you make the Revanant not take an entire clip to hit anything that isn't 5 feet from you? Marksman? Hunter mode accuracy?

Typhoon, even with the nerf, is usable. I've tried the Revanant. It's too inaccurate to be usable unless you only shoot with Marksman up and even then, so many guns are better.

Unless I'm missing something.

Is there a smart choke for AR's that I'm not aware of?

Devastator Mode accuracy evolution.

[BoomDynamite]

Ashen Earth wrote...

ZephyrAM wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...



Maybe it might be somewhat useful at rank X...

So it's got twice the Accuracy, innate AP, higher Sustained DPS, and it would have high DPS vs Armor on that chart, except you put the AP mod on the Revenant and not on the Typhoon.

It's still easily the better gun, especially if you aren't right up in the enemies face.

The innate AP is the reason there is no AP mod on the gun. Why is it exactly, that the sustained DPS is so much higher? I skipped the AP mod on the Typhoon for the extended magazine. It looks much less appealing if it's using an AP/EB mod instead of the innate AP, and the extended magazine.



Consider that the Typhoon is also a lot heavier, which limits it's use on most classes in the game. The recoil is also a lot worse.



And as with all weapons that have a warm up period, you have to start all over again if you are staggered while firing. Have you tried using the Typhoon on a non-Destroyer against the Geth? The Revenant doesn't suffer that weakness. So who other than the Destroyer (who doesn't care about weapon weight) would have a use for this gun?

I guess you could give it to a GE... Also, it might be better to compare stats without mods on.

[MaxShine]

BoomDynamite wrote...
Devastator Mode accuracy evolution.

I have the accuracy evolution... the revenant is stlill terrible

[Lambda_00]

100RenegadePoints wrote...

I do not have the typhoon, but I tried out the revenant on the destroyer and it sucked, like the revenant always did... If the typhoon is not significantly better than the revenant, then I would prefer the harrier. The harrier I actually liked on the destroyer, but the revenant was terrible.

Next thing I will try is the Indra X on the destroyer, it should be better than the revenant. The accuracy on the revenant is just horrible, the clip size is useless when only a fraction of the bullets hit the target...

Indra I is better in terms of all DPS over Typhoon III currently.  And that's after the Ramped-up damage boost from the Typhoon.

[FredTheAlmighty]

TMB903 wrote...

They can easily buff it back to how it was soon...I know they see the feedback about it and it's rare the MP community almost overwhelmingly agrees a nerf was unnecessary

It's EA. They don't care about what the community thinks.

[sydsyrious]

Jeebus......OP do you know what you've done? Next nerf will be the Revenant.....as more people will realize how good the Revenant is.

Seriously, agree about the nerf. It was that Specter's guy video that did it to the Typhoon and the Destroyer.