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[NKKKK]

It's kind of too late for the third game already, but god, some of this hollywood militar **** pisses me off.

First off, there's a photo in the ME facebook with a guy with N7 ink on it's forearm. That's cool and all, but the despription

Achieving the rank of N7 is no simple task. It
requires strength, dedication, courage... or a really good tattoo
artist. We congratulate community member @Jolsiphur on his impressive
new ink!

N7 isn't a rank. N7 is an occupational code. By that I mean their job in the Alliance Marine Corps, which is Spec Op Awesome Operative.

Second

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

I don't care if he's a cerberus operative or not, IN ANY ARMED FORCES IN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, YOU SALUTE WITH THE RIGHT HAND. To do otherwise is disrecptuful. So this Cerberus marine was disrepctifing Shepard, maybe that's why he's gone afterwards. Who knows.

Third, MARINES DO NOT CALL THEMSELVES SOLDIERS, this has happened in all three games at one point or another. Even L.A. Noire, a great game whose developes did their research, made that mistake in an otherwise flawless game.

Now I'm not a marine, I'm an Airman, but even I know these damn rules and terms, and the first two examples aren't jarhead exclusive. They fit in the whole armed services.

Any other military in here who cringes everytime he sees an error like this?

[NKKKK]

I know, I think games overall need to do their research when creating military characters, cause to me, the immersion breaks.

[daftPirate]

I don't know whether to feel happy or bad for you that this is what you complain about. Unfortunately for disciplined and order sensitive military types, video games are marketed to the world at large, and not the military. I'd say we're lucky when they do any research at all, because they hardly have to; most people just don't care. A developer could BS military terminology through just about any game and hardly any one would notice.

I have to say, though, a left handed salute is pretty bad.

Modifié par daftPirate, 01 août 2012 - 06:09 .

[Sundance31us]

I think they tweaked the EC to make the incorrect salutes a little less blatant; I noticed the camera angle shifted.

If I remember correctly Shepard only screws it up once while saluting a certain Quarian...I just keep telling myself it's how the Quarian's salute.

[Han Shot First]

Third, MARINES DO NOT CALL THEMSELVES SOLDIERS, this has happened in all three games at one point or another. Even L.A. Noire, a great game whose developes did their research, made that mistake in an otherwise flawless game.

I didn't see this is a flaw, and I served in the US Marines. While it is true that American Marines neither call themselves soldiers or like being called soldiers by other people, that isn't true for Marines in some other nations. Some countries use the terms Marine and soldier interchangeably.

The left handed salute was a fairly embarrsing mistake by the devs, however. As you said, a left handed salute is considered an insult.

[Samtheman63]

i agree with OP, krogans are much taller in real life too

[mauro2222]

...well, I give a rat's bottom about the military in the real world, I give two rats' bottom about the military in a fictional one.

[MystEU]

Yeah, Shepard and co. referring to others are "soldier" is really game-breaking to me as well.

[Father_Jerusalem]

Rubios wrote...

You know the military facts of a fictional army created in 2149?

Please tell us more about those facts.

NKKKK wrote...
cause to me, the immersion breaks. 

So you serve in the Systems Alliance? Cool story bro.

[Sarge-90]

What bothers me are the non-humans saluting their superiors like humans. 

[Melra]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Rubios wrote...

You know the military facts of a fictional army created in 2149?

Please tell us more about those facts.

NKKKK wrote...
cause to me, the immersion breaks. 

So you serve in the Systems Alliance? Cool story bro.

Reality =/= Mass Effect, seriously...

[gen. Italia]

One other thing: why alien races have the same military ranks as humans?
former Polish Navy soldier here

[BatmanPWNS]

When the so called saviour of the Citadel says "This isn't about tactics", you know the military is f'ed up.

[Luxure]

Sarge-90 wrote...

What bothers me are the non-humans saluting their superiors like humans. 

Yeah, those bastards! How dare they!

This is how aliens should salute 

[Scottus4]

@ Melrache, love your Neal Caffrey profile pic.

Anyways, I personally don't mind. It feels legit enough to me. This reminds me of people who rage when magazines are referred to as clips. Makes me want to bust out some Peter Griffin.

[crypticcat 2o2p]

"Soldier" is Army. Oddly, the Krogan criminal in ME1 refers to Shepard as "Army", her starting designation is Soldier, and she can specialise Commando or Shocktrooper. So Shepard isn't Navy, but Army.

I understand the confusion though.., in the old navy of wooden ships and iron men, Marines were army, and an army captain on such a vessel was called Colonel of Marines. (No ship can have two captains) His men were called Marines by proxy.

The Marines as we know them came much later, when then the notion that a specialised group of men, under command of the Navy was smarter then constantly borrowing infantry from the Army gained enough traction to go ahead with it.

So, the soldiers aboard spacefaring vessels calling themselves Marines or Soldiers interchangably is probably just tradition. At any rate, modern Marines don't have the original rights to the name, it lies with the Army.

Though as 1st LT Air Mobile Div (Ret), I know better then repeating it in the face of a Marine. I didn't survive three armed conflicts to be put in a wheelchair over something like that. ^^

[AlexMBrennan]

N7 isn't a rank. N7 is an occupational code. By that I mean their job in the Alliance Marine Corps, which is Spec Op Awesome Operative.

OK, they misused the word "rank" here. In some random facebook post. (Replace "Achieving rank of N7" with "Passing Selection")

disrepctifing

That's just embarrassing after your 1st complaint.

third, MARINES DO NOT CALL THEMSELVES SOLDIERS, this has happened in all three games at one point or another

That applies to the USMC *today*. Alliance marines are not USMC, and they're not today. Unless you think that the entire world revolves around the USMC, you have no point.

[NKKKK]

"Soldier" is Army. Oddly, the Krogan criminal in ME1 refers to Shepard as "Army", her starting designation is Soldier, and she can specialise Commando or Shocktrooper. So Shepard isn't Navy, but Army.

I understand the confusion though.., in the old navy of wooden ships and iron men, Marines were army, and an army captain on such a vessel was called Colonel of Marines. (No ship can have two captains) His men were called Marines by proxy.

The Marines as we know them came much later, when then the notion that a specialised group of men, under command of the Navy was smarter then constantly borrowing infantry from the Army gained enough traction to go ahead with it.

So, the soldiers aboard spacefaring vessels calling themselves Marines or Soldiers interchangably is probably just tradition. At any rate, modern Marines don't have the original rights to the name, it lies with the Army.

Though as 1st LT Air Mobile Div (Ret), I know better then repeating it in the face of a Marine. I didn't survive three armed conflicts to be put in a wheelchair over something like that. ^^

So I guess basically every soldier in the future is a space marine? sighs...i guess i could put that in my head.

Also thank you for your service.

"Soldier" is Army. Oddly, the Krogan criminal in ME1 refers to Shepard as "Army", her starting designation is Soldier, and she can specialise Commando or Shocktrooper. So Shepard isn't Navy, but Army.

But then I go to this post and realize that Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander of the Alliance Navy but calls herself a marine...so yeah

That's just embarrassing after your 1st complaint.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdHominem

Specifically, style over substance.

Modifié par NKKKK, 01 août 2012 - 08:57 .

[crypticcat 2o2p]

NKKKK wrote...

"Soldier" is Army. Oddly, the Krogan criminal in ME1 refers to Shepard as "Army", her starting designation is Soldier, and she can specialise Commando or Shocktrooper. So Shepard isn't Navy, but Army.

I understand the confusion though.., in the old navy of wooden ships and iron men, Marines were army, and an army captain on such a vessel was called Colonel of Marines. (No ship can have two captains) His men were called Marines by proxy.

The Marines as we know them came much later, when then the notion that a specialised group of men, under command of the Navy was smarter then constantly borrowing infantry from the Army gained enough traction to go ahead with it.

So, the soldiers aboard spacefaring vessels calling themselves Marines or Soldiers interchangably is probably just tradition. At any rate, modern Marines don't have the original rights to the name, it lies with the Army.

Though as 1st LT Air Mobile Div (Ret), I know better then repeating it in the face of a Marine. I didn't survive three armed conflicts to be put in a wheelchair over something like that. ^^

So I guess basically every soldier in the future is a space marine? sighs...i guess i could put that in my head.

Also thank you for your service.

"Soldier" is Army. Oddly, the Krogan criminal in ME1 refers to Shepard as "Army", her starting designation is Soldier, and she can specialise Commando or Shocktrooper. So Shepard isn't Navy, but Army.

But then I go to this post and realize that Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander of the Alliance Navy but calls herself a marine...so yeah

That's just embarrassing after your 1st complaint.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdHominem

Shepard is a Commander. Maybe in the future, ranks across branches of the military are unified, blurring the lines between army/navy/airforce because of the need to have one singular military presence in space.
As far as I can piece together, the ranks are:
Yeoman;
Serviceman;
Corporal;
Specialist;
Chief;
Lieutenant;
Lieutenant Commander;
Commander;
Captain;
Rear Admiral;
Admiral.
So maybe the branches that make out the Alliance's military presence like to pay hommage to their heritage by using old idiom liberally?

[Kaptain Darkfist]

I'm also in the military, but I cringe whenever I come across people who nitpick on the small things. This is a game, therefore it's no big deal. I've never noticed these things because I'm not concerned about such insignificant details.

[ZombieGambit]

crypticcat 2o2p wrote...
Shepard is a Commander. Maybe in the future, ranks across branches of the military are unified, blurring the lines between army/navy/airforce because of the need to have one singular military presence in space.
As far as I can piece together, the ranks are:
Yeoman;
Serviceman;
Corporal;
Specialist;
Chief;
Lieutenant;
Lieutenant Commander;
Commander;
Captain;
Rear Admiral;
Admiral.
So maybe the branches that make out the Alliance's military presence like to pay hommage to their heritage by using old idiom liberally?

Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander, that fact is just never mentioned it seems.

Official Systems Alliance ranks:

• Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
• Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
• Serviceman 1st class/Corporal (Jenkins ME1)

NCOs

• Service Chief
• Gunnery Chief (Ashley ME1)
• Operations Chief (Ashley ME2)

Officers

• 2nd Lieutenant
• 1st Lieutenant (James ME3)
• Staff Lieutenant (Kaidan ME1)
• Lieutenant Commander (Shepard ME series  and Ashley ME3)
• Staff Commander (Kaidan ME2)
• Captain/Major (Anderson ME1, Dr. Chakwas ME series, and Kaidan ME3)
• Rear Admiral/General
• Admiral (Hackett ME series and Anderson ME3)
• Fleet Admiral

How Ashley went from an NCO to Lieutenant Commnder in 3 years is a mystery and Kaidan also rose too quickly, he even outranks Shepard. Joker also mistakenly says something about the Virmire Survivor "pulling a gun on a superior officer," yeah no, neither are his subordinates. Even Hackett's rank is messed up considering that in previous games he was Admiral of the 5th Fleet only, but suddenly in ME3 he's still just an Admiral, not Fleet Admiral, and in command of all the Alliance fleets.

I don't even even know where things like Yeoman, Specialist, or Flight Lieutenant fit.

Modifié par ZombieGambit, 01 août 2012 - 09:48 .

[Heather Cline]

I hate to tell you this but those people who are left handed salute with their left hand. Though left handed people are a minority in the world, they do exist. It isn't an insult to salute with your left hand if you are left handed. Seriously that's just messed up saying that the guy saluting with his left hand is insulting someone without knowing if the person is left handed or not.

As for everything else about military inconsistency... well the entire Mass Effect Franchise is shot to hell so who gives a damned anyways? BioWare fu**ed up their game so bad in ME3 it's not recoverable by any means.