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[DreGregoire]

I'm not trying to give you a hard time N7 Lisbet but I just want to point out a couple of things:

Kaidan is a Staff Lt. and Shepard is a Lt. Commander in ME1. Kaidan becomes a Staff Commander (ME2) and then a Major (ME3). Shepards rank does not change. And actually from my experience E and O is a pay grade (designation) and not a rank designation, not that they do not reflect what rank bracket you are in but it is a pay grade designation not rank designation.

Edit: I remember us being yelled at to get that concept of rank vs. grade straight.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 15 septembre 2012 - 01:23 .

[WhiteKnyght]

DreGregoire wrote...

I'm not trying to give you a hard time N7 Lisbet but I just want to point out a couple of things:

Kaidan is a Staff Lt. and Shepard is a Lt. Commander in ME1. Kaidan becomes a Staff Commander (ME2) and then a Major (ME3). Shepards rank does not change. And actually from my experience E and O is a pay grade (designation) and not a rank designation, not that they do not reflect what rank bracket you are in but it is a pay grade designation not rank designation.

Well Shepard's rank doesn't change because of lapses in time in which he isn't serving.

He died when he was still Lt Commander and wasn't actually reinstated into the Alliance Navy until ME3.

He was dead, then working with Cerberus(who gave him his known rank), then under house arrest. Not doing anything that WOULD earn him a promotion.

[Rixatrix]

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Well Shepard's rank doesn't change because of lapses in time in which he isn't serving.

He died when he was still Lt Commander and wasn't actually reinstated into the Alliance Navy until ME3.

He was dead, then working with Cerberus(who gave him his known rank), then under house arrest. Not doing anything that WOULD earn him a promotion.

I thought that while Shepard is a Spectre, s/he no longer earns promotions with the Alliance.  The VS doesn't become a Spectre till later in ME3, so until then the VS is still working up the ranks while Shepard is outside the Alliance ranks as a Spectre.

[Jadebaby]

Chris Priestly wrote...

You know this is a video game and not, you know, real life, right?

Sorry, the lack of a boss battle made me forget.

[Jadebaby]

DreGregoire wrote...

I'm not trying to give you a hard time N7 Lisbet but I just want to point out a couple of things:

Kaidan is a Staff Lt. and Shepard is a Lt. Commander in ME1. Kaidan becomes a Staff Commander (ME2) and then a Major (ME3). Shepards rank does not change. And actually from my experience E and O is a pay grade (designation) and not a rank designation, not that they do not reflect what rank bracket you are in but it is a pay grade designation not rank designation.

Edit: I remember us being yelled at to get that concept of rank vs. grade straight.

Plus, Spectre trumps all and the VS don't become a Spectre until halfway through the game, so anytime after that it's just out of general respect/habbit.

[DreGregoire]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

I'm not trying to give you a hard time N7 Lisbet but I just want to point out a couple of things:

Kaidan is a Staff Lt. and Shepard is a Lt. Commander in ME1. Kaidan becomes a Staff Commander (ME2) and then a Major (ME3). Shepards rank does not change. And actually from my experience E and O is a pay grade (designation) and not a rank designation, not that they do not reflect what rank bracket you are in but it is a pay grade designation not rank designation.

Edit: I remember us being yelled at to get that concept of rank vs. grade straight.

Plus, Spectre trumps all and the VS don't become a Spectre until halfway through the game, so anytime after that it's just out of general respect/habbit.

Wait... doesn't Shepard still bet paid by the Alliance? *smirks* I suppose it could be a per mission thing though. Now I totally want to review where his cash is coming from in all three games. It might be too time consuming though. Besides Hackett still thinks Shepard is Alliance even while working with Cerberus.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 15 septembre 2012 - 12:10 .

[Jadebaby]

DreGregoire wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

I'm not trying to give you a hard time N7 Lisbet but I just want to point out a couple of things:

Kaidan is a Staff Lt. and Shepard is a Lt. Commander in ME1. Kaidan becomes a Staff Commander (ME2) and then a Major (ME3). Shepards rank does not change. And actually from my experience E and O is a pay grade (designation) and not a rank designation, not that they do not reflect what rank bracket you are in but it is a pay grade designation not rank designation.

Edit: I remember us being yelled at to get that concept of rank vs. grade straight.

Plus, Spectre trumps all and the VS don't become a Spectre until halfway through the game, so anytime after that it's just out of general respect/habbit.

Wait... doesn't Shepard still bet paid by the Alliance? *smirks* I suppose it could be a per mission thing though. Now I totally want to review where his cash is coming from in all three games. It might be too time consuming though. Besides Hackett still thinks Shepard is Alliance even while working with Cerberus.

I'd say it goes like this;

ME1: Alliance and then council as well when s/he gets inducted as Spectre.
ME2: Cerberus funds.
ME3: Doubt they were getting paid. Probably riding on funds from the Shadow Broker

[N7 Lisbeth]

DreGregoire wrote...

I'm not trying to give you a hard time N7 Lisbet but I just want to point out a couple of things:

Kaidan is a Staff Lt. and Shepard is a Lt. Commander in ME1. Kaidan becomes a Staff Commander (ME2) and then a Major (ME3). Shepards rank does not change. And actually from my experience E and O is a pay grade (designation) and not a rank designation, not that they do not reflect what rank bracket you are in but it is a pay grade designation not rank designation.

Edit: I remember us being yelled at to get that concept of rank vs. grade straight.

Never assumed you were, re: hard time.

Strange, I really got the impression Shepard was promoted during the course of ME1. Thinking back on it, I think it's the titles they used that gave me that impression; Shepard was very clearly called a Lieutenant Commander (O-4) at the start of ME1, and later (after being promoted to Spectre) they just started calling her Commander (O-5). While that's sometimes the short-hand in the USAF, it's a specific rank in the Alliance military so I highly doubt they'd just drop the lieutenant they were consistently using previously.

It's not like these promotions are ever mentioned until years later -- Kaidan and Ashley's promotions are both off-screen promotions. But I am well aware that Spectres are no longer technically Alliance military and no further promotions would have taken place upon being instated. (Except, of course, they could have -- just not for the normal reasons. It certainly wouldn't be the first time such as happened.)

Looking back, I feel the same thing happened to Ashley. She was LtCdr at the start of ME3, and when she became a Spectre, they all of a sudden the news started calling her Cdr too. Off-screen promotion, last one before joining the Spectres. Seemed consistent.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 15 septembre 2012 - 04:30 .

[Obadiah]

The devs should have gotten the salute right, or put in an explanation for why it was left handed.

[NKKKK]

Obadiah wrote...

The devs should have gotten the salute right, or put in an explanation for why it was left handed.

It was revealed to be an oversight, so it can ignored considering it wasn't on porpose.

Modifié par NKKKK, 15 septembre 2012 - 05:34 .

[Bierwichtel]

no, no, no! ignoring sh't like this only leads to laziness...

some fine day, no developer will care about small things anymore because they expect us, the fans, to just ignore it...

this is one of the main reasons the world is going to hell in a handbasket, ignorance
another one is greed

maybe laziness as well, just accepting things, accepting the status quo, never raising one's voice anymore...

yadda, yadda, yadda...

[Obadiah]

Maybe they should make an official "Oversight/Explanations" sticky thread to head off some of this stuff?

[Yakko77]

As a veteran myself I too noticed a lot of the military related errors but they're mostly cosmetic and not game breaking but I do always notice these things. I'm just nitpicky like that.

Modifié par Yakko77, 15 septembre 2012 - 07:42 .

[NKKKK]

Saluting in a combat situation is a big no no and facepalm worthy, you get your officers flagged and shot...It's like the devs are "HEY LOOK HOW MILITARY THEY ARE!"

Modifié par NKKKK, 15 septembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[itsdynamitebaby]

It's a shame civilians won't ever understand why it bothers us so much. I acknowledge that it's a fictional story set in a fictional future and therefore the rules of reality are not necessarily in play. It doesn't change the fact that it is annoying to see when all of my BCT and OCS training tells me it's totally wrong and needs to be addressed/fixed. Still though, some uniformity within the militaries would be nice (Alliance salutes right, Quarians salute left, Krogan salute with headbutt, etc). Though the ME universe has much bigger problems than military protocols. I would address plot holes and lazy writing first and then worry about little tidbits like this, though.

[Han Shot First]

BlueMoonSeraphim wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...
Well Shepard's rank doesn't change because of lapses in time in which he isn't serving.

He died when he was still Lt Commander and wasn't actually reinstated into the Alliance Navy until ME3.

He was dead, then working with Cerberus(who gave him his known rank), then under house arrest. Not doing anything that WOULD earn him a promotion.

I thought that while Shepard is a Spectre, s/he no longer earns promotions with the Alliance.  The VS doesn't become a Spectre till later in ME3, so until then the VS is still working up the ranks while Shepard is outside the Alliance ranks as a Spectre.

Shepard is both an officer in the Alliance and a Spectre simultaneously, so I don't think the lack of promotions are due to Spectre status. Shepard's status as both an Alliance military officer and a Spectre is comparable to MI6 and OSS agents during the Second World War, who were both officers in their respective country's militaries and intelligence agents simulataneously.

Colonel Peter Julien Ortiz is a good example. First serving in the French Foreign Legion and then the United States Marine Corps, he was recruited for the OSS (Office of Strategic Services..the forerunner of the CIA) and operated behind enemy lines in German occupied France. While an OSS agent he was still an officer in the Marine Corps. In fact he was a Major during those exploits and was later promoted to Colonel.

On a side note and totally off topic, they should totally make a movie about this guy. He makes James Bond and Jason Bourne look like p_ssies. And unlike those two characters, he was the real deal.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 18 septembre 2012 - 01:56 .

[Kastrenzo]

I think people care too much

VIDEO GAME

[Grizzly46]

Kastrenzo wrote...

I think people care too much

VIDEO GAME

This is the kind of comments that makes me want to cry for cube shaped planets...

You suck Bioware, give us cube-shaped planets NOW!

/sarcasm

OnT: the thing is, details like saluting with the right hand, ranks and whatnot provides added immersion. For people with even the slightest insight into military matters, this kind of stuff is important.