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[Nezzer]

Too many people think the Systems Alliance is just the US that has conquered the world and imposed their military tradition on every other country. Yes, saluting with your left hand is really stupid, but about the marines not calling themselves "soldiers" is just an American thing. In most other countries they are just a branch of the Army.

[ZombieGambit]

Heather Cline wrote...

I hate to tell you this but those people who are left handed salute with their left hand.

Nope. It's almost universally frowned upon in every military unless your right hand is injured and you're unable to use it to salute.

[Wulfram]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Nope. It's almost universally frowned upon in every military unless your right hand is injured and you're unable to use it to salute.

Wikipedia claims it's OK if you're on a motorbike.

[Chris Priestly]

You know this is a video game and not, you know, real life, right?

[Teddie Sage]

I spit my drink thanks to Chris. Dammit. lol

But Mr. Priestly has as point, this is just a game...

Modifié par Teddie Sage, 01 août 2012 - 10:31 .

[Scorpgul]

LMFAO this is the most hilarious and sad thread I have read so far. We have a real ehem 'marine' trying to correct a videogame developer. WATCH OUT MASS EFFECT SERIES IS USED FOR MILITARY TRAINING YO IT NEEDS TO BE ACCURATE!!!!! I even heard they are preparing for an all out assault on Mars there's been sightings of Rachni ROFLMFAO!!!

[Nomen Mendax]

Nezzer wrote...

Too many people think the Systems Alliance is just the US that has conquered the world and imposed their military tradition on every other country. Yes, saluting with your left hand is really stupid, but about the marines not calling themselves "soldiers" is just an American thing. In most other countries they are just a branch of the Army.

While I don't care at all about these things in ME, I wanted to point out that as far as I can tell (from a quick review on Wikipedia) most countries marines are actually a branch of the Navy.  So if you are going to have a knee-jerk anti US reaction to someone's post you might consider getting your facts right first ...

Modifié par Nomen Mendax, 01 août 2012 - 10:50 .

[ManOfSteel]

Systems Alliance Military =/= United States Military.

Also, videogame. Set in the future.

[NKKKK]

Chris Priestly wrote...

You know this is a video game and not, you know, real life, right?

So? That doesn't make my opinion here any less valid, I'm pointing out some problems. the LOL ITS JUST A VIDEO GAME thing is really just a way to say "lol shut up"

Also Alenko is Lt. in ME 1 (0-3 by Navy standards) then a Lt. Commander in ME 2 (0-4) and then ME3...Major (0-4 of another branch)

And let's not even go to how Williams jumped from mid enlisted rank to Navy O-4

[Memnon]

Heather Cline wrote...

I hate to tell you this but those people who are left handed salute with their left hand. Though left handed people are a minority in the world, they do exist. It isn't an insult to salute with your left hand if you are left handed. Seriously that's just messed up saying that the guy saluting with his left hand is insulting someone without knowing if the person is left handed or not.

As for everything else about military inconsistency... well the entire Mass Effect Franchise is shot to hell so who gives a damned anyways? BioWare fu**ed up their game so bad in ME3 it's not recoverable by any means.

In the US Army, you have to salute with your right hand - there is no left-handed salute if you're left handed. I don't know about the other US services, but I can't imagine they would be different unless you physically cannot salute right-handed. Granted I've been out for about 20 years, but I never heard about this being changed

[Nomen Mendax]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Lol, someone beat me to it. I was just about to say "But the Marines are a branch of the Navy."

And also, Bioware is Canadian, right? So... Yeah. They probably just took the military they were most familiar with and based the Alliance off of that. It makes sense. Did you really expect the team at Bioware to sit there and find out the traditions and norms of EVERY army in the WORLD?

Except that Canada doesn't have marines, and if they did they would be a branch of the navy (like the UK).  Again, I don't care at all about whether or not marines in ME are called soldiers but if you are going to make claims about real world facts (in this case Canadian marines) why not spend 30 seconds finding out whether or not you are correct?

[NKKKK]

Hey, let's try not turn this tread into "military sucks in real life hurp a derp, or I don't respect the military herp a derp" you can take your whining somewhere else. Stay on topic.

Oh and I've also noticed people saluting officers in a war zone in the games, you don't do that...ever. That identifies the officer as a target.

Modifié par NKKKK, 01 août 2012 - 11:22 .

[NKKKK]

Also my rant isn't how it should be exactly like real world military, but how they need to reflect real world military and proper protocol.

I don't care if they use fake ranks or fake branches, or whether it's like Canadian or U.S. Military, as long as they're consistent with them. And they're not.

Modifié par NKKKK, 01 août 2012 - 11:31 .

[Nomen Mendax]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Nomen Mendax wrote...

Except that Canada doesn't have marines, and if they did they would be a branch of the navy (like the UK).  Again, I don't care at all about whether or not marines in ME are called soldiers but if you are going to make claims about real world facts (in this case Canadian marines) why not spend 30 seconds finding out whether or not you are correct?

You misunderstood. I was referring to the American's Marines with the top statement.

The statement below that was simply saying that the company itself is Canadian, so it's ridiculous to assume that Bioware would choose anything other than a military force close-to-home as a model for the Alliance.

I suppose they would be most familiar with their own military, not the US', so I apologize for that part. I didn't fully think that through, but I did mean the US.

I don't need to check a Wikipedia page most of the time concerning the Army or the Navy, as my mother and father were in both. My dad's also in the National Guard as of now, so... Yeah.

Fair enough (and sorry if I sounded grumpy), as I said I'm firmly in the "don't care because its a fictional future military camp" and I suspect that Bioware just made it all up without referring to any real military (which I have no problem with).

[Abraham_uk]

For me it's hair styles.

People with longer hair can only have their hair in buns.

Okay I'll make allowances for pony tails.

But loose hair flopping in front of ones face? That's daft.
Tie it properly or cut it short.

[Nomen Mendax]

NKKKK wrote...

Also my rant isn't how it should be exactly like real world military, but how they need to reflect real world military and proper protocol.

I don't care if they use fake ranks or fake branches as long as they're consistent with them. And they're not.

The thing is you are in a small minority of people who know enough about the subject to notice the inconsistencies and care about them.  For what its worth there are much more glaring inconsistencies in ME and (and most other video games), such as Shepard being able to use medigel to instantly heal his / her squad but nobody else can.

[NKKKK]

Nomen Mendax wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Also my rant isn't how it should be exactly like real world military, but how they need to reflect real world military and proper protocol.

I don't care if they use fake ranks or fake branches as long as they're consistent with them. And they're not.

The thing is you are in a small minority of people who know enough about the subject to notice the inconsistencies and care about them.  For what its worth there are much more glaring inconsistencies in ME and (and most other video games), such as Shepard being able to use medigel to instantly heal his / her squad but nobody else can.

Gameplay and Story Segregation

[Wulfram]

Abraham_uk wrote...

For me it's hair styles.

People with longer hair can only have their hair in buns.

Okay I'll make allowances for pony tails.

But loose hair flopping in front of ones face? That's daft.
Tie it properly or cut it short.

Eh, if it's good enough for Napoleon

[Selene Moonsong]

Meh, think of it this way, military rankings and protocols are a bit of a mixed bag of such things from various earth origins and cultures and from branches of service from those various cultures. Nothing to really get up about.

The Alliance isn't US Navy, US Army, US Air Force, US Marines any more than it is Royal Navy, Army and whatever branches of service from the UK, or Japanese, German, French, Russian, etc, etc, etc. Therefore, the ranking structure really doesn't matter that much based on our own perspectives, even if it does seem to fly in the face of tradition in some cases.

Another way to look at it...

Much of the Alliance forces are technicians and specialists of some kind or another involved in space-faring service, no longer split apart as Sailors, Soldiers, Airmen or Marines.

While I may chafe a little at some of the lack of respect for more common traditions at times, it really doesn't other me that much.

Oh yes, USN Ret. (shoulder length hari and all).

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 01 août 2012 - 11:42 .

[NKKKK]

Abraham_uk wrote...

For me it's hair styles.

People with longer hair can only have their hair in buns.

Okay I'll make allowances for pony tails.

But loose hair flopping in front of ones face? That's daft.
Tie it properly or cut it short.

It's especially silly when they had it right in the first game.

Modifié par NKKKK, 01 août 2012 - 11:39 .