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[Yuqi]

The outfit of ME3 Ashley is impractical in REAL LIFE,  but  ME is a  game, a product, and some rules always apply when selling any product. One of the rules is Sex/sexiness sells, because it appeals to  the basic nature of  people on a  larger scale.

Modifié par Yuqi, 02 août 2012 - 02:59 .

[NKKKK]

Rubios wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

This is isn't technology, it's a deeply ingrained tradition.

Traditions die.

Not this one, sorry.

I knew I "done a good thing" when I remarked that some dude was saluting
with the wrong hand. It's a shame I couldn't catch them all.



I
am a big fan of verisimilitude in media. Things don't have to be
perfect in fiction, or conform 100% to the way things work in real life,
but having it be consistent and seem
like real life is always good. I feel just as strongly about the way
computers and the internet are portrayed in media, and get a little
annoyed when things work as if by magic.



My favourite show, NCIS, is, of course, exempt from my ire.

That was Woo

Hey,



Thanks for the information, Roelandt.



As
you said, making those kinds of mistakes probably doesn't even register
for most people, but for those who do they really stand out.



For
example, the original line for Joker's mayday call during the game's
opening sequence did not conform to international protocol and, being a
bit of an aviation enthusiast, it really grated on me every time I heard
it. As a result, I filed a bug and even though the line still doesn't
conform 100%, it's a lot closer than the original. Now, I doubt anyone
without an interest in aviation would have even noticed the problem, but
hopefully those with such an interest appreciate that it's a close
approximation.



I can't say we'll get it all right in ME3, but I'll pass your comments along.





Don M

Me2 thread, developer oversight, not doing their research.

Modifié par NKKKK, 02 août 2012 - 02:44 .

[DreGregoire]

Personally I'm asking because it bothered me (kept me from wanting to see it again) and to find out if there is a reason for it, but obviously it's easier for a dev to snark than it is to give us some insight as to why some people saluted left handed. Was it just an oversight? Does it have some meaning? Did they just do it to mock present customs?

Go on and on about how it's a fictional military in a fictional future, but given that so much of ME uses modern terms and notions, it seems that hand waving it as a "change" to the military culture in the future isn't really the issue. Even if it's a change in the future, it would be nice to understand the meaning behind the change and the salute. There is no way around it, left handed salutes are considered either an insult or an attempt at being disrespectful in today's society.

[SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil]

Chris Priestly wrote...

You know this is a video game and not, you know, real life, right?

WHAT? Ah... come on Chris!

We all know this is real... stop teasing us! *zips his true ME3 pajamas*

[NKKKK]

It isn't though, developer oversight, Woo and Don M caught it, Woo apparently corrected it a few times. But they can't catch em all.

[SparkyRich]

We know marines aren't soldiers, but we like to give them the benefit of the doubt and treat them with the respect due a soldier.

[NKKKK]

EntropicAngel wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

Personally I'm asking because it bothered me (kept me from wanting to see it again) and to find out if there is a reason for it, but obviously it's easier for a dev to snark than it is to give us some insight as to why some people saluted left handed. Was it just an oversight? Does it have some meaning? Did they just do it to mock present customs?

Go on and on about how it's a fictional military in a fictional future, but given that so much of ME uses modern terms and notions, it seems that hand waving it as a "change" to the military culture in the future isn't really the issue. Even if it's a change in the future, it would be nice to understand the meaning behind the change and the salute. There is no way around it, left handed salutes are considered either an insult or an attempt at being disrespectful in today's society.

Asking why and saying "Get your facts straight" are two completely different statements and will provoke two completely different responses.

I'm sorry, i'll ask nicer next time and give you a nice sensitive cake with decorations that says "you're special".

Modifié par NKKKK, 02 août 2012 - 02:51 .

[SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil]

EntropicAngel wrote...

SeeNoEvilHearNoEvil wrote...

That actually honours you. I just made that feeble minded abbrevation up to show how horrible it is reading some people on the internet. It probably took me longer to make up that crap, than it would have taken me to spwll it out.

Just like most things, lol.

You Sir, are an evil person! LOL! :lol:

[SparkyRich]

I want cake.

[NKKKK]

Saluting with the left hand is perfectly fine in my country, left handed people does it all the time.

We have a North Korean here gentlemen

Wait nop, nvm

[NKKKK]

EntropicAngel wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

I'm sorry, i'll ask nicer next time and give you a nice sensitive cake with decorations that says "you're special".

Be sensible, brother. You attract more flies with honey, you know.

It ain't me man.

[NKKKK]

EntropicAngel wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

It ain't me man.

You do know that saying, right?

Yh, but like said, it just ain't me man.  I'm

Get it?

Modifié par NKKKK, 02 août 2012 - 02:59 .

[DreGregoire]

Rubios wrote...

Saluting with the left hand is perfectly fine in my country, left handed people does it all the time.

Left handed people in your military salute left handed? What is considered a proper salute in your countries armed forces? 

[NKKKK]

DreGregoire wrote...

Rubios wrote...

Saluting with the left hand is perfectly fine in my country, left handed people does it all the time.

Left handed people in your military salute left handed? What is considered a proper salute in your countries armed forces? 

I'm pretty sure he's being a troll, or sarcastic.

Cause I investigated, there is no such country

Modifié par NKKKK, 02 août 2012 - 03:28 .

[Han Shot First]

Heather Cline wrote...

I hate to tell you this but those people who are left handed salute with their left hand. Though left handed people are a minority in the world, they do exist. It isn't an insult to salute with your left hand if you are left handed. Seriously that's just messed up saying that the guy saluting with his left hand is insulting someone without knowing if the person is left handed or not.

You're wrong.

The military doesn't give a damn if a person is right or left handed.  Salutes are always rendered with the right hand. This isn't just an American thing either, it is a military tradition that is universal and one that dates back to the Iron Age.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 02 août 2012 - 04:01 .

[Cobalt2113]

It doesn't seem like a big deal to me. As it stands now it's perfectly acceptable to salute with your left hand if your right is injured or broken. or if you're carrying something in your right hand or using it for another task.

It's not hard to imagine that in 150 years the stigma attached to left-hand saluting might alter and fade away. After all, a lot can happen in 150 years. Maybe there was an equal rights movement for left-handed people on earth.

[CDRSkyShepard]

I'll admit, some of the military stuff breaks my immersion, too (future Navy, former AFROTC). However, if you nitpick those kinds of things in military sci-fi you will drive yourself insane. I just see someone saluting with the left hand as innocent as a random glitch that only happens once. It happens. Sometimes people don't catch these things.

I also get what you mean about Marines referring to themselves as "soldiers" in the game. I always found that very odd. On the other hand, it doesn't seem like they have a separate corps (for example, there is no such thing as the Systems Alliance Marine Corps, just the Systems Alliance Navy), and the term "marine" is a term that seems to be used loosely to describe elite ground troops, more of a vocational designation than anything else. (This happens very often in science fiction, actually.) I know many Marines that play Mass Effect, and most aren't arsed by this, but I do know of a couple that say, "You're a Marine, dammit, stop calling yourself a soldier!" But I would say that they call themselves "marines," and not "Marines" with a capital "M," because there is no separate Marine Corps. It just doesn't work the same way in the ME universe. I think we should be more arsed that they call themselves soldiers even though they all serve in the Navy. XD But that's all semantics.

I would like to note, though, that John Grissom is identified as a US Marine, right before the Alliance was founded. He still considers himself a "Marine," capital "M." (From the book Revelation)

My own personal nitpick is this, actually: there is no set rank striping for epaulets and shoulderboards. That probably is the only thing that truly drives me nuts. Shepard is seen with three or two stripes on his/her shoulders at any given time in any given uniform (most notably the dress blues and the formal fatigues shown at the beginning of ME3), yet Shepard is always a Lieutenant Commander. Whenever I write or draw Shepard, I always use the traditional Navy stripe patterns for rank just to keep it straight in my own head... yay headcanon! Lol.

(If anyone is curious about the striping system I use and how I adapt it to the slightly different Alliance ranks, feel free to PM me.)

[NKKKK]

Maybe there was an equal rights movement for left-handed people on earth.

....what?

It doesn't seem like a big deal to me. As it stands now it's perfectly acceptable to salute with your left hand if your right is injured or broken

I've never seen this, if the right arm is injured, you simply don't do it, but give another nod or something. I could be wrong in this.

But that Cerberus Commando was just fine and dandy.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

It doesn't seem like a big deal to me. As it stands now it's perfectly acceptable to salute with your left hand if your right is injured or broken. or if you're carrying something in your right hand or using it for another task.

It's not hard to imagine that in 150 years the stigma attached to left-hand saluting might alter and fade away. After all, a lot can happen in 150 years. Maybe there was an equal rights movement for left-handed people on earth.

In the US, the bold is not acceptable. One is always expected to leave the right hand unencumbered so that it is ready to salute. If you're carrying something in both hands that requires both hands and is part of your duty, then it's acceptable so long as you render proper greeting. But it is always expected that one be generally unencumbered in uniform.

In cases where you're doing tasks, usually you're in a no-salute zone anyway. You don't have to salute indoors, or in an environment where you'd look silly because you'd be saluting everyone that passes by.