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[Han Shot First]

Cobalt2113 wrote...

It doesn't seem like a big deal to me. As it stands now it's perfectly acceptable to salute with your left hand if your right is injured or broken. or if you're carrying something in your right hand or using it for another task.

If carrying something in the right hand, you would switch it to the left and salute with the right. If you are engaged in work and carrying something heavy that requires two hands, a salute isn't required.

I've never seen this, if the right arm is injured, you simply don't do it, but give another nod or something. I could be wrong in this.
But that Cerberus Commando was just fine and dandy.

In the US both the Navy and Marines allow for left handed salutes if your right arm is wounded  or injured and can't perform that function. But in practice no one renders a left handed salute. They would just acknowledge the senior officer with a greeting.

In the Army and Air Force left handed salutes are always verboten.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 02 août 2012 - 04:11 .

[Shermos]

NKKKK wrote...

It's kind of too late for the third game already, but god, some of this hollywood militar **** pisses me off.

First off, there's a photo in the ME facebook with a guy with N7 ink on it's forearm. That's cool and all, but the despription

Achieving the rank of N7 is no simple task. It
requires strength, dedication, courage... or a really good tattoo
artist. We congratulate community member @Jolsiphur on his impressive
new ink!

N7 isn't a rank. N7 is an occupational code. By that I mean their job in the Alliance Marine Corps, which is Spec Op Awesome Operative.

Second

http://desmond.image...jpg&res=landing

I don't care if he's a cerberus operative or not, IN ANY ARMED FORCES IN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, YOU SALUTE WITH THE RIGHT HAND. To do otherwise is disrecptuful. So this Cerberus marine was disrepctifing Shepard, maybe that's why he's gone afterwards. Who knows.

Third, MARINES DO NOT CALL THEMSELVES SOLDIERS, this has happened in all three games at one point or another. Even L.A. Noire, a great game whose developes did their research, made that mistake in an otherwise flawless game.

Now I'm not a marine, I'm an Airman, but even I know these damn rules and terms, and the first two examples aren't jarhead exclusive. They fit in the whole armed services.

Any other military in here who cringes everytime he sees an error like this?

These are all fair points. You're not wrong. But I've never seen Mass Effect as a military game. That's just one very small part of a huge universe. Most of the things Shepard has to deal with are only loosely related to military matters, like deciding whether or not to sacrifice the council. That's a political decision as much as a military one.

I see Mass Effect as more than just a military ******, so I forgive it getting some of this stuff wrong. 

[rfielder24]

Kaptain Darkfist wrote...

I'm also in the military, but I cringe whenever I come across people who nitpick on the small things. This is a game, therefore it's no big deal. I've never noticed these things because I'm not concerned about such insignificant details.

boy are you in the wrong place

[Fidget6]

 Why don't marines refer to themselves as soldiers? Just curious, I never knew that.

[Ryzaki]

...and I thought I was nitpicky.

It's a fictional military. No it's not going to match up to real life military. I don't know why anyone would expect it to.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Fidget6 wrote...

 Why don't marines refer to themselves as soldiers? Just curious, I never knew that.

Because they're not.

It's the same reason why someone is "once a Marine, always a Marine."

[Pacifien]

Don't ask me why I remembered but... this thread has been done and BioWare even responded. He's listed as a Moderator now, but at the time, Don Moar was a senior programmer at BioWare. I believe Stanley Woo also mentioned he noticed it.

[MingWolf]

I never paid much attention to the left handed salutes until someone pointed it out to me few months back. The only thing that kind of made me twitch a little was how Kaiden and Ashley jumped up so high a rank given the rank structure that was drawn out by the codex. But, in the end, it's just a game and this particular game is more about story and adventure than military accuracy. Even having served the army for a little bit, I could hardly care for little stuff like this tbh...

[Ranger3bn]

While I understand the whole immersion things, I must say very few get it to the T. Anywhere from Call of Duty, Battlefield, and even games like Socom and Ghost Recon that had a lot of technical advisement both from active and retired members of the Armed Services. A few games like Medal of Honor and Socom have or had direct involvement with members of the Spec Op community Yet, still they will miss something some where.

If I have to blame ( which I do not see the point) anyone it would be the technical advisors as they are paid for their ability to bring some form of military authenticity. With that being said I did not expect ME would get everything our current military does. I will say the salute mishap was notice fairly quick. Having spent 10 yrs in the US Army with the rank of O-4 I can say the left hand issue would have been seen to me as a clear sign of disrespect toward my paygrade. I would have corrected it on the spot immediately. However, ME is a Sci Fi game so I do cut it some slack and enjoy it as a game and nothing more.

Sua Sponte...RLTW!

[MingWolf]

Logan Cloud wrote...
And also, Bioware is Canadian, right? So... Yeah. They probably just took the military they were most familiar with and based the Alliance off of that. It makes sense. Did you really expect the team at Bioware to sit there and find out the traditions and norms of EVERY army in the WORLD?

There wasn't very much resemblance between the Systems Alliance and the Canadian military.  No left-handed salutes, and a lot of those ranks in Mass Effect don't even exist in Canada.  If anything, they are more loosely based on U.S.  I don't know about other countries. 

[Fidget6]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

 Why don't marines refer to themselves as soldiers? Just curious, I never knew that.

I didn't know you were still here! I haven't seen you ever since the s/s hubbub.

Sorry, you probably don't know me. I just remembered you.

Can't say I do remember you sorry. =[ But I'm honored that you remember me! I didn't think anyone piad attention enough to know who I was on BSN haha. Yep I still lurk around on the forums, remaining mostly in the background as always. When I do post I'm usually on the off-topic forum. But I'll stop derailing the thread now.

[CDRSkyShepard]

MingWolf wrote...

I never paid much attention to the left handed salutes until someone pointed it out to me few months back. The only thing that kind of made me twitch a little was how Kaiden and Ashley jumped up so high a rank given the rank structure that was drawn out by the codex. But, in the end, it's just a game and this particular game is more about story and adventure than military accuracy. Even having served the army for a little bit, I could hardly care for little stuff like this tbh...

This. ^-^

[crypticcat 2o2p]

Chris Priestly wrote...

You know this is a video game and not, you know, real life, right?

And with one fell swoop, Bioware swipes all responsibility off of the table. I have always put it down to artistic lisence, but at least now I understand why DAII and ME3 are the messes that they are.

They're just games. I have a new slogan for you guys:

Bioware: Just making games.

[Han Shot First]

Fidget6 wrote...

 Why don't marines refer to themselves as soldiers? Just curious, I never knew that.

Technically they're not soldiers. A soldier is someone who serves in an Army, while a Marine is naval infantry (and support) that specializes in amphibious operations. A Marine isn't a soldier in the same way that a sailor isn't.

But it's also a  little nitpicky as soldier is often commonly used to refer to all military personnel with ground-combat related roles, even if that isn't technically correct.

In short soldier has kind of become like the word gun. Most people use the word gun to refer to any kind of firearm, when in fact a gun is actually a crew served machine gun or an artillery weapon, and not a pistol or a rifle.

[Kungfu Nando]

According to the codex there is no longer an official distinction between the various armed forces, just traditional ones. They reason because an army is useless without control from orbit, it has become part of the naval fleet, only keeping certain ranks as a matter of tradition and respect. I guess you could argue Marine and Solider are now interchangeable seeing as the Army as a separate branch no longer exists? As I understand it the Marines serve as the navy's ground forces, so in the future if only the "Navy" exist then all soldiers are marines?

Also while I can understand and suspend my disbelief enough to guess that the universal translator make it so a person hears an equivalent alien rank how the persons language and dialect would have, I do agree it is immersion breaking that they salute the same.

[Haargel]

NKKKK wrote...

I hear you OP, I hear you. They could have done their homework a bit better. Because I think they created the Alliance Military with the current North-American forces in mind. (Simple fact that if I was I writer from the US or CDN I would have had my military in mind)

At first I was going to say: It´s a game. Then again, I have alot of respect for thos serving (or have served) in the military.

Anyway, maybe you should consider to let the thread bleed to death. I don´t think you can win this. You have made you´re point but perhaps you´re overreacting a bit now.

No offense.

[Loaderini]

NKKKK wrote...
I don't care if he's a cerberus operative or not, IN ANY ARMED FORCES IN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, YOU SALUTE WITH THE RIGHT HAND. To do otherwise is disrecptuful.

we care SO much.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Holy ****, it's a damn sci-fi videogame!

[Brovikk Rasputin]

crypticcat 2o2p wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

You know this is a video game and not, you know, real life, right?

And with one fell swoop, Bioware swipes all responsibility off of the table. I have always put it down to artistic lisence, but at least now I understand why DAII and ME3 are the messes that they are.

They're just games. I have a new slogan for you guys:

Bioware: Just making games.

Uh, yeah? They make game, games is an artform. Seems pretty simple to me.

[shepdog77]

I prefer the fictional military of mass effect, as opposed to our real life military that is just a tool of governments and banks to make "peace" by invading nations to stop the big bad terrorists. This is a game set in a fictional world, I'm quite glad it's nothing like the military IRL.

[Zkyire]

NKKKK wrote...

Saluting with the left hand is perfectly fine in my country, left handed people does it all the time.

We have a North Korean here gentlemen

Wait nop, nvm

Come back to us when you can find a picture of North Korean soldiers saluting 200 years into the future.

[NKKKK]

Haargel wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

I hear you OP, I hear you. They could have done their homework a bit better. Because I think they created the Alliance Military with the current North-American forces in mind. (Simple fact that if I was I writer from the US or CDN I would have had my military in mind)

At first I was going to say: It´s a game. Then again, I have alot of respect for thos serving (or have served) in the military.

Anyway, maybe you should consider to let the thread bleed to death. I don´t think you can win this. You have made you´re point but perhaps you´re overreacting a bit now.

No offense.

That doesn't stop me from playing, I mean we've all beaten the ending horse through and through, nitpicking at a game you like is hardly an offense here.

And Puerto Rico is a owned by the US. Hence, yanks.

You went to wikipedia, good job, reported.

[crypticcat 2o2p]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

crypticcat 2o2p wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

You know this is a video game and not, you know, real life, right?

And with one fell swoop, Bioware swipes all responsibility off of the table. I have always put it down to artistic lisence, but at least now I understand why DAII and ME3 are the messes that they are.

They're just games. I have a new slogan for you guys:

Bioware: Just making games.

Uh, yeah? They make game, games is an artform. Seems pretty simple to me.

You're missing the point. They go out of their way to make Mass Effect spaceflight plausible. They just throw some make belief military together. Both givens is what the trilogy relies heavily on. So why didn't they do some research. I understand where Mr. Priestly is coming from, but in this case it is not the answer that fits the topic.

Even telling a story is bound to rules, one can't just throw a story together and wing it. Mr Priestly's answer also implies that we are supposed to buy anything spoonfed because, hey, it's a game and not real life.

Mr. Priestly's answer is a disgrace and unlike the buttmonkeys here turning to goo everytime Bioware's spindoctor opens his mouth, I'm not afraid of speaking my mind.