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[Uncle Jo]

txgoldrush wrote...

Please...most of the haters are too stupid to realize that ME3 is about sacrifice and loss....

That want everything to be big and epic and happy.....Sorry. Bioware did not go that route.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its flawed.

By insulting people who disagree with you, you definitely lost the debate. Don't state your opinion as fact. Never seen such an apologist. It's confining to fanatism.

ME1 and ME2 had their flaws for sure, but have you ever seen such a degree of complaints after they came out? No. Why? Because their good points greatly overshadowed the bad ones.

This didn't happened with the third installment. At least for a fair number of players.

The ME3 endings backlash was one of the worst in the videogame history, the crucible was poorly introduced:

-Alliance council: Shoot! Reapers invade Earth! How is it possible?
-Shep: Told ya so! Trololol!
- Alliance council: We can't win! We have no tactics, no strategy. We are doomed. Noooo!
- Anderson: Shepard go to the Citadel.
- Shep: WTF? I want to fight and die here!
- Anderson: No dude, winning a war doesn't work that way. Tell the council, we're in deep s**t and sit all in the same boat. Maybe they'll understand this time.
- Shep: Okay.
- Hackett: Wait, winning a war doesn't work that way. Go to Mars.
- Shep: Why?
- Hackett: Dunno. Ask Liara.
- Liara:There are devices for a giant super thing. No clue of what it exactly does but still better than nothing.
- Shep:Great news! But how come we never heard about it before?
- Liara:Well, we weren't enough desperate. That's why.
- Shep: Oh! Sure, that makes sense. Let's go to the Council.
- Council: Wut? Giant super gun? You kidding?  Earth? We don't give a f**k about it. Your problem. Now GTFO.

Great intro, isnt it?

Almost that involves the Crucible is happening in the background and solved by the unnumerable fetch quests (you know, eavesdropping, scanning and bring artefact X or object Y to the concerned person. Cool).

You spend most of the game fighting Cerberus, which went on pure-evil mode and suddenly dispose of an army capable of causing trouble to any council race, after it was said in ME2 that TIM spent most of his resources and money for the Lazarus Project and rebuild the Normandy. He was antagonist you face and confront in 90% of the game (I don't care about the two poor destroyers Tuchanka and Rannoch. Small fry).

The brat is vaguely hinted on Thessia, which was poorly executed. I mean, after you (rapidly) reach the Temple, it happens literally nothing around you anymore. As if you were in another dimension. Maybe a temporary cease-fire. Who knows.
You have all thetime in the wrold to activate the beacon, then a long, cosy conversation with Vendetta while the whole Planet is fried by the Reapers, which politely do nothing to interrupt you. Then appears magically the
space ninja with his Gunship, trolls you like he always d, and escape with the Prothean VI. U mad?

Harbinger is seen just once, enough to blast you after letting conveniently the Normandy rescue the wounded squaddies and escape, and mumbling some words you can't comprehend.

And then comes the brat... All was already said about him.


Can you at least recognize that people could take issue with this?

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 02 août 2012 - 04:43 .

[Uncle Jo]

nvm

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 02 août 2012 - 04:23 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

sublime depth to both James/Cortez's characters that he's bros with the gay dude on the ship, and makes no issue of it.

Dogg, that is called "being decent," not "depth."

Edit: I would say it's pointless to argue with txgoldrush. He's no BlueProtoss, but rebuttals will consist of "you're wrong because I liked it" the vast majority of the time.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 02 août 2012 - 04:40 .

[incinerator950]

Random Jerkface wrote...

sublime depth to both James/Cortez's characters that he's bros with the gay dude on the ship, and makes no issue of it.

Dogg, that is called "being decent," not "depth."

Edit: I would say it's pointless to argue with txgoldrush. He's no BlueProtoss, but rebuttals will consist of "you're wrong because I liked it" the vast majority of the time.

You mean like The Angry One which mostly consists of "You're wrong because I said so" opinions?

[What a Succulent Ass]

But dogg, if she said they're wrong, they probably are.

/flamebait

[Baa Baa]

D24O wrote...

I think Patrick Weekes wrote Tali.

All you need to know to understand how awesome Weekes is

[txgoldrush]

Uncle Jo wrote...


ME1 and ME2 had their flaws for sure, but have you ever seen such a degree of complaints after they came out? No. Why? Because their good points greatly overshadowed the bad ones.

This didn't happened with the third installment. At least for a fair number of players.

The ME3 endings backlash was one of the worst in the videogame history, the crucible was poorly introduced:

-Alliance council: Shoot! Reapers invade Earth! How is it possible?
-Shep: Told ya so! Trololol!
- Alliance council: We can't win! We have no tactics, no strategy. We are doomed. Noooo!
- Anderson: Shepard go to the Citadel.
- Shep: WTF? I want to fight and die here!
- Anderson: No dude, winning a war doesn't work that way. Tell the council, we're in deep s**t and sit all in the same boat. Maybe they'll understand this time.
- Shep: Okay.
- Hackett: Wait, winning a war doesn't work that way. Go to Mars.
- Shep: Why?
- Hackett: Dunno. Ask Liara.
- Liara:There are devices for a giant super thing. No clue of what it exactly does but still better than nothing.
- Shep:Great news! But how come we never heard about it before?
- Liara:Well, we weren't enough desperate. That's why.
- Shep: Oh! Sure, that makes sense. Let's go to the Council.
- Council: Wut? Giant super gun? You kidding?  Earth? We don't give a f**k about it. Your problem. Now GTFO.

Great intro, isnt it?

Almost that involves the Crucible is happening in the background and solved by the unnumerable fetch quests (you know, eavesdropping, scanning and bring artefact X or object Y to the concerned person. Cool).

You spend most of the game fighting Cerberus, which went on pure-evil mode and suddenly dispose of an army capable of causing trouble to any council race, after it was said in ME2 that TIM spent most of his resources and money for the Lazarus Project and rebuild the Normandy. He was antagonist you face and confront in 90% of the game (I don't care about the two poor destroyers Tuchanka and Rannoch. Small fry).

The brat is vaguely hinted on Thessia, which was poorly executed. I mean, after you (rapidly) reach the Temple, it happens literally nothing around you anymore. As if you were in another dimension. Maybe a temporary cease-fire. Who knows.
You have all thetime in the wrold to activate the beacon, then a long, cosy conversation with Vendetta while the whole Planet is fried by the Reapers, which politely do nothing to interrupt you. Then appears magically the
space ninja with his Gunship, trolls you like he always d, and escape with the Prothean VI. U mad?

Harbinger is seen just once, enough to blast you after letting conveniently the Normandy rescue the wounded squaddies and escape, and mumbling some words you can't comprehend.

And then comes the brat... All was already said about him.


Can you at least recognize that people could take issue with this?

Please......at least ME3 doesn't open with a Deus Ex Machina, like ME2 does. All the hypocrites whining about "Space Magic", look at the Lazarus Project. And people did complain about ME2's terminator baby. Once again people are attacking ME3 for what ME1 and ME2 are guilty for.

And once again, how does Shepard know how to fight the Reapers before she learns of the Crucible? Please haters enlighten me.

Kai Leng doesn't magically appear on Thessia, he is there because they know of the beacon on Thessia because of the data Eva managed to upload on Mars. Try again.

"You spend most of the game fighting Cerberus, which went on pure-evil mode and suddenly dispose of an army capable of causing trouble to any council race, after it was said in ME2 that TIM spent most of his resources and money for the Lazarus Project and rebuild the Normandy. He was antagonist you face and confront in 90% of the game (I don't care about the two poor destroyers Tuchanka and Rannoch. Small fry)."

Pure evil mode....like they were in ME1 where they test husks on a colony (looks like a preview of Sanctuary)...or leading an alliance patrol to a thresher maw, or the horible things they did to Toombs. Or did you miss the part in ME3 where they got hands on Reaper tech, which leads to their bigger army. 90% of the game, are you that dumb?

"Almost that involves the Crucible is happening in the background and solved by the unnumerable fetch quests (you know, eavesdropping, scanning and bring artefact X or object Y to the concerned person. Cool). "

At least the sidequests are related to the actual plot and don't cause plot holes, like you know ME1, where you are chasing Saren in a race against time, but you stop and do unrelated favors.

Face it, ME3 haters are biased and ignorant, they complete lignore the flaws of the first two games and attacking the third for the very same flaws. They miss key details or get facts completely wrong as well. Nevermind that these haters can't take ambiguity and have to have everything explained or forshadowed. And once again....JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DOESN'T MEAN ITS FLAWED.

[txgoldrush]

Random Jerkface wrote...

sublime depth to both James/Cortez's characters that he's bros with the gay dude on the ship, and makes no issue of it.

Dogg, that is called "being decent," not "depth."

Edit: I would say it's pointless to argue with txgoldrush. He's no BlueProtoss, but rebuttals will consist of "you're wrong because I liked it" the vast majority of the time.

Because the fanbase acts like entitled a-holes who think its flawed because they do not like it.

Its the fans that are flawed, because they refuse to accept the direction that Bioware took things....nevermind however that th eCrucible does fit in with the struggle of past cycles than ME1 established. Also, clearly ignoring te same flaws the first two games have while fans attack ME3 for said flaws

[What a Succulent Ass]

Or perhaps people dislike it because it is, in fact, extremely flawed.

It would be nice to have something of your post actually qualified, because it's meaningless until then.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 02 août 2012 - 07:18 .

[incinerator950]

Random Jerkface wrote...

But dogg, if she said they're wrong, they probably are.

/flamebait

Oh lawdy

[txgoldrush]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Or perhaps people dislike it because it is, in fact, extremely flawed.

It would be nice to have something or your post actually qualified, because it's meaningless until then.

No, because its only flawed becaus they look at it their way and not Bioware's way.

How a great many miss the main theme of the game and the series proves this.

However, the original ending was flawed because it hurt Bioware's "way", being underdeveloped it was. The EC however, enhances it and defines the ending Bioware's "way". Its that fans are too ignorant to see it.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 02 août 2012 - 07:18 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

"They just don't get BioWare's vision" is not a qualification. If you create a piece of fiction that collapses at the shallowest of analysations, it's flawed.

Oh lawdy

WAITING FOR HER TO COME BACK SO I CAN WATCH THIS FIGHT TO THE DEATH.

[txgoldrush]

Random Jerkface wrote...

"They just don't get BioWare's vision" is not a qualification. If you create a piece of fiction that collapses at the shallowest of analysations, it's flawed.

Oh lawdy

WAITING FOR HER TO COME BACK SO I CAN WATCH THIS FIGHT TO THE DEATH.

Which it does in the original cut, not in the EC.

[Eain]

Basically all the bits where you had fun were not written by Walters.

[incinerator950]

Random Jerkface wrote...

"They just don't get BioWare's vision" is not a qualification. If you create a piece of fiction that collapses at the shallowest of analysations, it's flawed.

Oh lawdy

WAITING FOR HER TO COME BACK SO I CAN WATCH THIS FIGHT TO THE DEATH.

What fight, I'll just laugh at her and walk away.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

And how exactly did this turn into another ME3 is awesome/horrible debate?

Eain wrote...

Basically all the bits where you had fun were not written by Walters.

This. How he got the position of lead writer baffles me.

[Andrew_S]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

And how exactly did this turn into another ME3 is awesome/horrible debate?

Eain wrote...

Basically all the bits where you had fun were not written by Walters.

This. How he got the position of lead writer baffles me.

Maybe he gives good helmet.

[ld1449]

txgoldrush wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Or perhaps people dislike it because it is, in fact, extremely flawed.

It would be nice to have something or your post actually qualified, because it's meaningless until then.

No, because its only flawed becaus they look at it their way and not Bioware's way.

How a great many miss the main theme of the game and the series proves this.

However, the original ending was flawed because it hurt Bioware's "way", being underdeveloped it was. The EC however, enhances it and defines the ending Bioware's "way". Its that fans are too ignorant to see it.

Hipocresía. Hipocresía  en cada palabra.

Modifié par ld1449, 02 août 2012 - 07:31 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

incinerator950 wrote...

What fight, I'll just laugh at her and walk away.

Well, that's no fun at all, is it.

Cosmo Tip #633: Nomakeupthing makes you as gorgeous as the blood of your enemies smeared across your face.

[txgoldrush]

ld1449 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Or perhaps people dislike it because it is, in fact, extremely flawed.

It would be nice to have something or your post actually qualified, because it's meaningless until then.

No, because its only flawed becaus they look at it their way and not Bioware's way.

How a great many miss the main theme of the game and the series proves this.

However, the original ending was flawed because it hurt Bioware's "way", being underdeveloped it was. The EC however, enhances it and defines the ending Bioware's "way". Its that fans are too ignorant to see it.

Hipocresía. Hipocresía  en cada palabra.

Please, if you can't tell that the main theme of ME3 is sacrifice and the main theme of the entire series is the conflict between the created and the creators (not overcoming all odds or uniting everybody), than you are too ignorant to criticize.

[incinerator950]

Random Jerkface wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

What fight, I'll just laugh at her and walk away.

Well, that's no fun at all, is it.

Cosmo Tip #633: Nomakeupthing makes you as gorgeous as the blood of your enemies smeared across your face.

I'll keep that in mind.

[What a Succulent Ass]

"If you don't agree with me, you're dumb."

DOGG, THAT IS THE BEST ARGUMENT EVER, PERHAPS YOU ARE SOME KIND OF GENIUS HERE?

[D24O]

txgoldrush wrote...
Please, if you can't tell that the main theme of ME3 is sacrifice and the main theme of the entire series is the conflict between the created and the creators (not overcoming all odds or uniting everybody), than you are too ignorant to criticize.

Remeber, Urdnot Bakara, and her line about her initiation? I posit that her line, "In the Darkest hour, there is always a way out" is a good summary  of what ME was about. And the conflict was Us versus Reapers and their thralls. 

[What a Succulent Ass]

incinerator950 wrote...

I'll keep that in mind.

My friend, they are words to live by. I wouldn't look nearly as good as I do today if I hadn't slaughtered countless villages in my youth.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

You know, if you make a point, it's better to back it up with evidence. Seeing as how you seem to be among the few enlightened who have figured out why ME3 is so great.