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[Uncle Jo]

D24O wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

But then hear the generals dialogue...the tactics didn't work. It was meaningless.

They employed strategy and they LOST...it doesn't matter if they bring down several ships.

IMO its a better idea than building a giant microphone that's never worked the many times it waqs built before. 

Seconded.

[txgoldrush]

Uncle Jo wrote...

D24O wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

But then hear the generals dialogue...the tactics didn't work. It was meaningless.

They employed strategy and they LOST...it doesn't matter if they bring down several ships.

IMO its a better idea than building a giant microphone that's never worked the many times it waqs built before. 

Seconded.

The giant microphone wins...too bad.

[ld1449]

txgoldrush wrote...


No....

Nevermind the fact that first Cerberus uses sleeper agents before they attacked C Sec in force.

The fact is that Cerberus DOES USE THE SCAPEL, then they bring in the sledgehammer.

They destroy the main source of opposition from the inside well before they can resist.

Its the same with Mars and SurKesh. The scapel does the work before the sledgehammer.

Hence why TIM from ME3 is an idiot.

TIM from ME2 never needed a freakin sledgehammer he did all his work with calm efficiency. You should know that if you read ascencion. Gave the Quarian fleet quite a black eye with little more than a team of six or seven comandos if I recall.

Here, psh, what scalpel? Kai Leng? A sleeper agent or two to open a door on the citadel? A robot lady to shoot two non combatants?

That's not a scalpel thats the set up for the sledgehammer swing. A scalpel would have been EVA draining the air from the entire facility (seeing as how she's a robot that would have been just fine.) Shepard would have pew pewed his way through auto defenses or something.

A scalpel on Surkesh would have been some Cerberus Operatives killing the shuttle pilot on surkesh (I don't think it was steeve for that mission) then taking off (or trying to take off) with Eeve

The only place a sledgehammer was needed was when they were defending the bomb from Shepard to let it go off.

The Citadel, if their goal was to do a coup kill all the councilors with well timed "accidents" not this "attack the Citadel in force." crap.

In fact the only place where I can say they employed a real scalpel was thessia, and that scalpel had plot armor sharpening so it barely even counts.

Modifié par ld1449, 02 août 2012 - 04:10 .

[o Ventus]

ld1449 wrote...

A scalpel on Surkesh would have been some Cerberus Operatives killing the shuttle pilot on surkesh (I don't think it was steeve for that mission) then taking off (or trying to take off) with Eeve

Steve piloted the shuttle on Sur'kesh.

"When an 800-pound krogan 'borrows' the pilot's seat, you oblige." (I think is how that quote goes).

[D24O]

txgoldrush wrote...

The giant microphone wins...too bad.

Yes, it is too bad that a giant microphone with its purpose going mostly unexplained is how we carry the day.

[txgoldrush]

D24O wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The giant microphone wins...too bad.

Yes, it is too bad that a giant microphone with its purpose going mostly unexplained is how we carry the day.

better than the conventional victory pulled out of the ass, thats even more contrived.

Hell, if conventional victory was possible, it would have been done already.

[Uncle Jo]

D24O wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The giant microphone wins...too bad.

Yes, it is too bad that a giant microphone with its purpose going mostly unexplained is how we carry the day.

Doesn't matter. It's not about tactics, strategy, it's about space magic. Space magic wins every time.

[Taboo]

Uncle Jo wrote...

D24O wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The giant microphone wins...too bad.

Yes, it is too bad that a giant microphone with its purpose going mostly unexplained is how we carry the day.

Doesn't matter. It's not about tactics, strategy, it's about space magic. Space magic wins every time.

I thought it was a giant phallus that fired one of three colored beams when you stimulated the right part.

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...


Tell that to the turians who try to employ strategy but got crushed anyway.

The Turians put up some resistance, still held on on Palaven and destroyed some Reapers though. The Alliance was steamrolled without causing any casualty to the Reapers.

However, the Turians have the most powerful navy in the galaxy or are you forgetting this.

And really, please enlighten everybody, what sound strategy does Shepard have against the Reapers at the time of the hearing?

NONE

She doesn't have an answer like everyone else.

Yet the Turians were able to take down Capital Ships and Destroyers

so just because Shepard doesn't a strategy at that time, its ok to say "we fight or we die" which is dumber to say

[ld1449]

txgoldrush wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...


Tell that to the turians who try to employ strategy but got crushed anyway.

The Turians put up some resistance, still held on on Palaven and destroyed some Reapers though. The Alliance was steamrolled without causing any casualty to the Reapers.

However, the Turians have the most powerful navy in the galaxy or are you forgetting this.

And really, please enlighten everybody, what sound strategy does Shepard have against the Reapers at the time of the hearing?

NONE

She doesn't have an answer like everyone else.

They don't have the most powerful navy. As in, their ships being the best.

They have the BIGGEST Citadel Navy pound for pound an alliance Dreadnought can take a Turian Dreadnought easilly.

The turians just have more.

A fleet that they wasted in the opening theater of war by following Macs brilliant "We fight or we die" philosophy that "is not about strategy and tactics"

When they did actually employ them, good lord what a surprise they actually mannaged to give the reapers pause.

Same with the Asari. The Salarians that had been employing it from day one had Surkesh nearly Reaper free and they have the smallest citadel fleet from what I understand.

And if you're sitting for six months on your ass then goddamnit when someone asks you what we should do your answer better be a hell of a lot more than a movie trailer line.

Get the civilians to evac zones, call in every reserve soldier, arm ground to orbit guns, send the fleets up ****s creek without a paddle say SOMETHING you've had SIX MONTHS KNOWING THAT THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY!!!

Modifié par ld1449, 02 août 2012 - 04:17 .

[Uncle Jo]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

D24O wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The giant microphone wins...too bad.

Yes, it is too bad that a giant microphone with its purpose going mostly unexplained is how we carry the day.

Doesn't matter. It's not about tactics, strategy, it's about space magic. Space magic wins every time.

I thought it was a giant phallus that fired one of three colored beams when you stimulated the right part.

ROFL. It's also a valid interpretation.

[D24O]

txgoldrush wrote...

better than the conventional victory pulled out of the ass, thats even more contrived.

Hell, if conventional victory was possible, it would have been done already.

While I would've prefered "conventional" (here meaning not using the Crucible) victory, I would be fine if they dropped more hints about the Crucible's ultimate effects, If they'r built it up better than just dropping the Catalyst, Control and Synthesis on us, it would work much better as a plot device. In its current incarnation however, I feel it wasn't developed enough to be the crux of the story.

[Uncle Jo]

Thread derailed btw.

[o Ventus]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

D24O wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The giant microphone wins...too bad.

Yes, it is too bad that a giant microphone with its purpose going mostly unexplained is how we carry the day.

Doesn't matter. It's not about tactics, strategy, it's about space magic. Space magic wins every time.

I thought it was a giant phallus that fired one of three colored beams when you stimulated the right part.

The Citadel is a part of the Catalyst. The Catalyst is a child. the Crucible "penetrates" the Citadel in the rear. 

Crucible-creators are pedophiles?

[txgoldrush]

ld1449 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...


No....

Nevermind the fact that first Cerberus uses sleeper agents before they attacked C Sec in force.

The fact is that Cerberus DOES USE THE SCAPEL, then they bring in the sledgehammer.

They destroy the main source of opposition from the inside well before they can resist.

Its the same with Mars and SurKesh. The scapel does the work before the sledgehammer.

Hence why TIM from ME3 is an idiot.

TIM from ME2 never needed a freakin sledgehammer he did all his work with calm efficiency. You should know that if you read ascencion. Gave the Quarian fleet quite a black eye with little more than a team of six or seven comandos if I recall.

Here, psh, what scalpel? Kai Leng? A sleeper agent or two to open a door on the citadel? A robot lady to shoot two non combatants?

That's not a scalpel thats the set up for the sledgehammer swing. A scalpel would have been EVA draining the air from the entire facility (seeing as how she's a robot that would have been just fine.) Shepard would have pew pewed his way through auto defenses or something.

A scalpel on Surkesh would have been some Cerberus Operatives killing the shuttle pilot on surkesh (I don't think it was steeve for that mission) then taking off (or trying to take off) with Eeve

The only place a sledgehammer was needed was when they were defending the bomb from Shepard to let it go off.

The Citadel, if their goal was to do a coup kill all the councilors with well timed "accidents" not this "attack the Citadel in force." crap.

In fact the only place where I can say they employed a real scalpel was thessia, and that scalpel had plot armor sharpening so it barely even counts.

Please.....

They need more effort to intrude into freaking STG.

Why not take the enitire Citadel out of the war?

If TIM is an idiot, so is Sovereign and Saren. They spend the entire ME1 looking for a teleporter that they don't need. They could just found allies and attacked.

Nevermind that Cerberus now has the military forces, unlike ME2, due to the Reaper tech.

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

D24O wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The giant microphone wins...too bad.

Yes, it is too bad that a giant microphone with its purpose going mostly unexplained is how we carry the day.

Doesn't matter. It's not about tactics, strategy, it's about space magic. Space magic wins every time.

I thought it was a giant phallus that fired one of three colored beams when you stimulated the right part.

The Citadel is a part of the Catalyst. The Catalyst is a child. the Crucible "penetrates" the Citadel in the rear. 

Crucible-creators are pedophiles?

"There will be more...my sweet."

[ld1449]

o Ventus wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

A scalpel on Surkesh would have been some Cerberus Operatives killing the shuttle pilot on surkesh (I don't think it was steeve for that mission) then taking off (or trying to take off) with Eeve

Steve piloted the shuttle on Sur'kesh.

"When an 800-pound krogan 'borrows' the pilot's seat, you oblige." (I think is how that quote goes).

Then replace him for that mission:P

Shepard needs a gay friend

[AresKeith]

D24O wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

better than the conventional victory pulled out of the ass, thats even more contrived.

Hell, if conventional victory was possible, it would have been done already.

While I would've prefered "conventional" (here meaning not using the Crucible) victory, I would be fine if they dropped more hints about the Crucible's ultimate effects, If they'r built it up better than just dropping the Catalyst, Control and Synthesis on us, it would work much better as a plot device. In its current incarnation however, I feel it wasn't developed enough to be the crux of the story.

It would have been better if the Crucible did what happen to Sovereign in ME1 but only stronger to affect all the Reapers

[txgoldrush]

D24O wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

better than the conventional victory pulled out of the ass, thats even more contrived.

Hell, if conventional victory was possible, it would have been done already.

While I would've prefered "conventional" (here meaning not using the Crucible) victory, I would be fine if they dropped more hints about the Crucible's ultimate effects, If they'r built it up better than just dropping the Catalyst, Control and Synthesis on us, it would work much better as a plot device. In its current incarnation however, I feel it wasn't developed enough to be the crux of the story.

No, the EC develops enough...and confirms what the alliance thinks it is.

Nevermind the fear behind the thing and the effects of the Crucible might have is part of the plot. The unknown is a part of the situation.

Face it, the Crucible, Vigil, Vendetta, the Conduit all show that other cycles set up this cycle to succeed. Oh wait, nevermind that in ME1, Shepard got help from the Protheans as well.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 02 août 2012 - 04:23 .

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

No, the EC develops enough...and confirms what the alliance thinks it is.

Who in the Alliance is saying that it is "merely a power source"? Everybody else I talked to said something to the effect of it either being a super-weapon ("Capable of unquantifiable levels of destruction") or drew a blank.

[ld1449]

txgoldrush wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...


No....

Nevermind the fact that first Cerberus uses sleeper agents before they attacked C Sec in force.

The fact is that Cerberus DOES USE THE SCAPEL, then they bring in the sledgehammer.

They destroy the main source of opposition from the inside well before they can resist.

Its the same with Mars and SurKesh. The scapel does the work before the sledgehammer.

Hence why TIM from ME3 is an idiot.

TIM from ME2 never needed a freakin sledgehammer he did all his work with calm efficiency. You should know that if you read ascencion. Gave the Quarian fleet quite a black eye with little more than a team of six or seven comandos if I recall.

Here, psh, what scalpel? Kai Leng? A sleeper agent or two to open a door on the citadel? A robot lady to shoot two non combatants?

That's not a scalpel thats the set up for the sledgehammer swing. A scalpel would have been EVA draining the air from the entire facility (seeing as how she's a robot that would have been just fine.) Shepard would have pew pewed his way through auto defenses or something.

A scalpel on Surkesh would have been some Cerberus Operatives killing the shuttle pilot on surkesh (I don't think it was steeve for that mission) then taking off (or trying to take off) with Eeve

The only place a sledgehammer was needed was when they were defending the bomb from Shepard to let it go off.

The Citadel, if their goal was to do a coup kill all the councilors with well timed "accidents" not this "attack the Citadel in force." crap.

In fact the only place where I can say they employed a real scalpel was thessia, and that scalpel had plot armor sharpening so it barely even counts.

Please.....

They need more effort to intrude into freaking STG.

Why not take the enitire Citadel out of the war?

If TIM is an idiot, so is Sovereign and Saren. They spend the entire ME1 looking for a teleporter that they don't need. They could just found allies and attacked.

Nevermind that Cerberus now has the military forces, unlike ME2, due to the Reaper tech.

Aparently not considering that they were able to brute force their way into a secret military research base, that generally has entrenched defensive positions, automatic defenses, early warning systems and such it was

Alarm

Huh?

"Pew pew ****es we're here."

Sovereign did need the Conduit. Like I said, read the codex.

The Citadel arms close, and when they close it would take MONTHS if not YEARS of concentrated dreadnought fire to break through even ONE of those arms with the massively powerful kinetics and sheer mass of the base.

He needed Saren in there and a strikeforce of geth to stop the citadel defense fleet from organizing, and the arms from closing too early. and to close them when he mannaged to get inside so he could do his buisness in peace.

Try to pay attention to the plot.

They have military forces that can aparently rival half of the alliance considering that they're droping them by the bucket load on every plannet Shepard even stops to take a whizz in.

All this in six months?

Not to mention integrating the reaper tech into the individual soldiers? The training, the ships, the munitions. all of this after Edi says flat out "Your rebuilding and that of the normandy have severely strained Cerberus' extensive resources.

[txgoldrush]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

No, the EC develops enough...and confirms what the alliance thinks it is.

Who in the Alliance is saying that it is "merely a power source"? Everybody else I talked to said something to the effect of it either being a super-weapon ("Capable of unquantifiable levels of destruction") or drew a blank.

Its in the files.....one message hypothesizes that its a power source.

[D24O]

txgoldrush wrote...

No, the EC develops enough...and confirms what the alliance thinks it is.

Nevermind the fear behind the thing and the effects of the Crucible might have is part of the plot. The unknown is a part of the situation.

Face it, the Crucible, Vigil, Vendetta, the Conduit all show that other cycles set up this cycle to succeed. Oh wait, nevermind that in ME1, Shepard got help from the Protheans as well.

Well first off, it wasn;t just the Protheans, it was supposedly a bunch of cycles. But that's nitpicking. I thought the conduit reveal was contrived, because we are told nothing about it until the end, same with the Crucible, the EC adding stuff does nothing to change my position, because it should've been built up through the entire story, not the last 10 minutes if it was to be an all important plot device.

Modifié par D24O, 02 août 2012 - 04:28 .

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

No, the EC develops enough...and confirms what the alliance thinks it is.

Who in the Alliance is saying that it is "merely a power source"? Everybody else I talked to said something to the effect of it either being a super-weapon ("Capable of unquantifiable levels of destruction") or drew a blank.

Its in the files.....one message hypothesizes that its a power source.

Source?

[Uncle Jo]

txgoldrush wrote...

D24O wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

better than the conventional victory pulled out of the ass, thats even more contrived.

Hell, if conventional victory was possible, it would have been done already.

While I would've prefered "conventional" (here meaning not using the Crucible) victory, I would be fine if they dropped more hints about the Crucible's ultimate effects, If they'r built it up better than just dropping the Catalyst, Control and Synthesis on us, it would work much better as a plot device. In its current incarnation however, I feel it wasn't developed enough to be the crux of the story.

No, the EC develops enough...and confirms what the alliance thinks it is.

Nevermind the fear behind the thing and the effects of the Crucible might have is part of the plot. The unknown is a part of the situation.

Face it, the Crucible, Vigil, Vendetta, the Conduit all show that other cycles set up this cycle to succeed. Oh wait, nevermind that in ME1, Shepard got help from the Protheans as well.

He said hints. Hints are generally dropped before something happens not after.