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[LanceSolous13]

Uncle Jo wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Dusen wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

I don't know about you, but Thessia was terrible.

IMO, everything starting with Thessia and afterwords was terrible.

It's sad that each subsequent level was worse than the level preceding it too.

As I've said, ME3 only got three things right...

Tuchunka
Rannoch
Combative Gameplay

Nothing more.

Please. One button to jump, take cover, run, activate something, pick a weapon on the floor, sh*t, masturbate...

Everything being tied to the A button is my only complaint. Other than that, the combat I found as addictive as the plot and characters of previous games.

[ld1449]

txgoldrush wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

I am not tlaking about where the Conduit is, but its function.

Please....Joker may not even be orbiting Ilos.....because you know, the geth fleet overhead.

Nevermind the Conduit is much smaller.

Its your handcanon thats it....its a plot hole plain and simple. Drew had to put the Normandy at the Citadel and he left a plot hole doing it.

Nevermind the whole quest for the Conduit is stupid.

Lol. Right. Whatever you say buddy.

Clearly I must have been living under a rock during the ME1 ****storm for the conduit mission.

Silly me for missing that one.

Please....you are grasping at straws defending a plot hole.

Nevermind the entire plot of ME1 being about finding a small transporter into the Citadel...its stupid..

Hell, Sovereign and Saren don't NEED the Conduit, they could have just attacked with geth and clone Krogan, as well as indoctrianted agents without even setting foot on Eden Prime, giving himself away.

Its Drew K trying to be clever than he is.

Nevermind that Liara's quest to get the Crucible was set up in LoTSB, so the Crucible doesn't "come out of nowhere". And nevermind you can piece the Crucibles functions and capabilities through the war assets and the Broker files.

I already told you everything that covers up those plot holes. With cannon evidence that can be verified both in and out of game.

You claim to be able to put two and two together. I'm not seeing much of that here. You want this spelled out for you.

You accuse me of grasping at straws, I accuse you of making mountains out of increasingly minor (if the books were read as you claim to have done) mole hills.


Wrong.

If sovereign would have attacked outright, with no one blocking comunications or stopping the citadel defenses from mobilizing the geth would have been surrounded by every citadel fleet in the vicinity showing up, and wiping them out, followed shortly by sovereign himself with no one inside to close the Citadel around him (which is what Saren did)

Where exactly did Liara say "I'm going to mars I think I'll find something there" in LotSB???

She just said "I'll do everything I can to help."

Which is what everyone in your crew said.

By that logic Grunt was on a quest to find a magical device left behind by an ancient civilization to help save us from our impending extermination.

You're not even grasping at straws your fumbling at thin air at this point.

Modifié par ld1449, 02 août 2012 - 05:43 .

[txgoldrush]

AstusOz wrote...

Bringing up the Crucible out the blue was stupid, I admit, but I also agree with txgoldrush in that Saren could have just gone and let the geth fleet in at the start of ME1. H

Homeworlds #4 will explain how she got the Crucible (like her other comic explains how Shep's corpse falls to Cereberus in ME2) and LOTSB does start Liara's quest for the Crucible.

Soverign had a rogue spector, an asari matriarch, and an army of geth...he could have easily captured the Citadel Tower, closed the arms, and activated the relay. The conduit search is stupid.

Had Drew K had Saren look for Vigil or the Ilos ruins to investigate what went wrong with the keepers, the story would have been much smarter.

[LanceSolous13]

txgoldrush wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

Bringing up the Crucible out the blue was stupid, I admit, but I also agree with txgoldrush in that Saren could have just gone and let the geth fleet in at the start of ME1. H

Homeworlds #4 will explain how she got the Crucible (like her other comic explains how Shep's corpse falls to Cereberus in ME2) and LOTSB does start Liara's quest for the Crucible.

Soverign had a rogue spector, an asari matriarch, and an army of geth...he could have easily captured the Citadel Tower, closed the arms, and activated the relay. The conduit search is stupid.

Had Drew K had Saren look for Vigil or the Ilos ruins to investigate what went wrong with the keepers, the story would have been much smarter.

Those were back in the days when the Cutadel was impenetrable and doing so would be Suicide.

Then Cerberus some how managed this in ME3 and we get not explination on how or really why...

In my fix-fic, I'm saying they wanted to open the Citadel Relay to Dark Space...

[RadicalDisconnect]

Helper f'ed up on romanced Thane. Although some Thanemancers are a bit extreme, their anger is understandable. I think he did well on EDI except for the sexbot part and her brief intro.

[LanceSolous13]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Helper f'ed up on romanced Thane. Although some Thanemancers are a bit extreme, their anger is understandable. I think he did well on EDI except for the sexbot part and her brief intro.

Extreme?

BTW, Its Hepler. He had to fix his card thing at SDCC.

[txgoldrush]

ld1449 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

I am not tlaking about where the Conduit is, but its function.

Please....Joker may not even be orbiting Ilos.....because you know, the geth fleet overhead.

Nevermind the Conduit is much smaller.

Its your handcanon thats it....its a plot hole plain and simple. Drew had to put the Normandy at the Citadel and he left a plot hole doing it.

Nevermind the whole quest for the Conduit is stupid.

Lol. Right. Whatever you say buddy.

Clearly I must have been living under a rock during the ME1 ****storm for the conduit mission.

Silly me for missing that one.

Please....you are grasping at straws defending a plot hole.

Nevermind the entire plot of ME1 being about finding a small transporter into the Citadel...its stupid..

Hell, Sovereign and Saren don't NEED the Conduit, they could have just attacked with geth and clone Krogan, as well as indoctrianted agents without even setting foot on Eden Prime, giving himself away.

Its Drew K trying to be clever than he is.

Nevermind that Liara's quest to get the Crucible was set up in LoTSB, so the Crucible doesn't "come out of nowhere". And nevermind you can piece the Crucibles functions and capabilities through the war assets and the Broker files.

I already told you everything that covers up those plot holes. With cannon evidence that can be verified both in and out of game.

You claim to be able to put two and two together. I'm not seeing much of that here. You want this spelled out for you.

You accuse me of grasping at straws, I accuse you of making mountains out of increasingly minor (if the books were read as you claim to have done) mole hill.


Wrong.

If sovereign would have attacked outright, with no one blocking comunications or stopping the citadel defenses from mobilizing the geth would have been surrounded by every citadel fleet in the vicinity showing up, and wiping them out, followed shortly by sovereign himself with no one inside to close the Citadel around him (which is what Saren did)

Where exactly did Liara say "I'm going to mars I think I'll find something there" in LotSB???

She just said "I'll do everything I can to help."

Which is what everyone in your crew said.

By that logic Grunt was on a quest to find a magical device left behind by an ancient civilization to help save us from our impending extermination.

You're not even grasping at straws your fumbling at thin air at this point.

"If sovereign would have attacked outright, with no one blocking comunications or stopping the citadel defenses from mobilizing the geth would have been surrounded by every citadel fleet in the vicinity showing up, and wiping them out, followed shortly by sovereign himself with no one inside to close the Citadel around him (which is what Saren did)"

WRONG

Its called, suprise. A trojan horse strategy (you know, what Cereberus pulls in ME3). Saren and Benezia could have easily overtaken the Council, captured the tower, and closed the arms around Sovereign after his initial suprise assault. its called shooting in th eback of the head. They don't need a stupid Conduit.

"Where exactly did Liara say "I'm going to mars I think I'll find something there" in LotSB???

She just said "I'll do everything I can to help.""

No, she says that the Broker had info of the Protheans other than Ilos and that they had other plans. But while the yahg lost hope, Liara didn't. She uses the resources she gets from the Broker to find the Crucible. Also once again....Homeworlds Vol 4.

[RadicalDisconnect]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Helper f'ed up on romanced Thane. Although some Thanemancers are a bit extreme, their anger is understandable. I think he did well on EDI except for the sexbot part and her brief intro.

Extreme?

BTW, Its Hepler. He had to fix his card thing at SDCC.

Their disappointment at Thane's treatment is justified. Some of their arguments, which involves attacking other characters because they got more screen time than Thane or just because Helper wrote them, are extreme. I won't list names, but there are a few Thanemancers who really act like obsessed teenaged girls when it comes to Thane. Most Thanemancers are fine, but there are some that get on my nerves.

As for Mac, didn't he write the ME2 TIM as well?

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 02 août 2012 - 05:56 .

[txgoldrush]

LanceSolous13 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

Bringing up the Crucible out the blue was stupid, I admit, but I also agree with txgoldrush in that Saren could have just gone and let the geth fleet in at the start of ME1. H

Homeworlds #4 will explain how she got the Crucible (like her other comic explains how Shep's corpse falls to Cereberus in ME2) and LOTSB does start Liara's quest for the Crucible.

Soverign had a rogue spector, an asari matriarch, and an army of geth...he could have easily captured the Citadel Tower, closed the arms, and activated the relay. The conduit search is stupid.

Had Drew K had Saren look for Vigil or the Ilos ruins to investigate what went wrong with the keepers, the story would have been much smarter.

Those were back in the days when the Cutadel was impenetrable and doing so would be Suicide.

Then Cerberus some how managed this in ME3 and we get not explination on how or really why...

In my fix-fic, I'm saying they wanted to open the Citadel Relay to Dark Space...

How? Cerebrus had agents that exposed C Sec to attack. Notice that most of C Sec were EXECUTED.

Sorry, but the Citadel isn't invincible in ME1, team Sovereign could have easily slipped Geth into the Citadel. Remember, all Saren needed was the Tower.

[devSin]

o Ventus wrote...

It's sad that each subsequent level was worse than the level preceding it too.

This is just endemic of the bad plot.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the best parts of the game only tangentially involve the main "plot". The more they had to focus on that, the worse things got (as evidenced by the terrible beginning and ending sections of the game). By the time you get to Thessia, there's nothing else to cover, and things just get progressively worse.

Modifié par devSin, 02 août 2012 - 05:59 .

[txgoldrush]

devSin wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

It's sad that each subsequent level was worse than the level preceding it too.

This is just endemic of the bad plot.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the best parts of the game only tangentially involve the main "plot". The more they had to focus on that, the worse things got (as evidenced by the terrible beginning and ending sections of the game). By the time you get to Thessia, there's nothing else to cover, and things just get progressively worse.

No Horizon was awesome and so was Cerberus HQ...hell Priority Earth was awesome...why? Because instead of taking a cliched epic tone....it takes a tragic sad tone about loss....too bad fans aren't smart enought to pick up on this.

[Taboo]

txgoldrush wrote...

devSin wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

It's sad that each subsequent level was worse than the level preceding it too.

This is just endemic of the bad plot.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the best parts of the game only tangentially involve the main "plot". The more they had to focus on that, the worse things got (as evidenced by the terrible beginning and ending sections of the game). By the time you get to Thessia, there's nothing else to cover, and things just get progressively worse.

No Horizon was awesome and so was Cerberus HQ...hell Priority Earth was awesome...why? Because instead of taking a cliched epic tone....it takes a tragic sad tone about loss....too bad fans aren't smart enought to pick up on this.

The Devil, Probably has a tragic sad tone.

Do not insult art with your preconceived notions of what these themes are.

[ld1449]

txgoldrush wrote...


"If sovereign would have attacked outright, with no one blocking comunications or stopping the citadel defenses from mobilizing the geth would have been surrounded by every citadel fleet in the vicinity showing up, and wiping them out, followed shortly by sovereign himself with no one inside to close the Citadel around him (which is what Saren did)"

WRONG

Its called, suprise. A trojan horse strategy (you know, what Cereberus pulls in ME3). Saren and Benezia could have easily overtaken the Council, captured the tower, and closed the arms around Sovereign after his initial suprise assault. its called shooting in th eback of the head. They don't need a stupid Conduit.

"Where exactly did Liara say "I'm going to mars I think I'll find something there" in LotSB???

She just said "I'll do everything I can to help.""

No, she says that the Broker had info of the Protheans other than Ilos and that they had other plans. But while the yahg lost hope, Liara didn't. She uses the resources she gets from the Broker to find the Crucible. Also once again....Homeworlds Vol 4.

And they did pull a surprise, the conduit dropped them right on the foot of the tower and citadel control. Whereas your scenario has them blasting their way in needing to deal with a fully prepared force and a mobilizing C sec army and the fleets above.

Even if they mannage to get it quickly they'll still be able to send out messages for help to other fleets whereas here by the time anyone even realized what was happening Citadel control was already taken.

The conduit is shooting em in the back of the head.

Your method is coming runing down the street with a shotgun screaming at the top of your lungs.

Right, the Broker had EXTENSIVE files on the protheans. Enough so that he had knowledge of the full mars archive because the crucible itself was discovered literally on the day the reapers arrived. Sure. Liara had plenty of evidence to go on through the SHADOW BROKER to get into the top secret human facility a stones throw away from their home plannet.

And sure. Keep using a comic book, not written by Drew, the man who first came up with the concept of Mass Effect, to justify your headcannon. I'll stick with mine thanks. Much more concrete than the fourth installment of a comic book that does as much handwaving as a jedi.

[txgoldrush]

Taboo-XX wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

devSin wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

It's sad that each subsequent level was worse than the level preceding it too.

This is just endemic of the bad plot.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the best parts of the game only tangentially involve the main "plot". The more they had to focus on that, the worse things got (as evidenced by the terrible beginning and ending sections of the game). By the time you get to Thessia, there's nothing else to cover, and things just get progressively worse.

No Horizon was awesome and so was Cerberus HQ...hell Priority Earth was awesome...why? Because instead of taking a cliched epic tone....it takes a tragic sad tone about loss....too bad fans aren't smart enought to pick up on this.

The Devil, Probably has a tragic sad tone.

Do not insult art with your preconceived notions of what these themes are.

Please...most of the haters are too stupid to realize that ME3 is about sacrifice and loss....

That want everything to be big and epic and happy.....Sorry. Bioware did not go that route.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its flawed.

[Taboo]

txgoldrush wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

devSin wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

It's sad that each subsequent level was worse than the level preceding it too.

This is just endemic of the bad plot.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the best parts of the game only tangentially involve the main "plot". The more they had to focus on that, the worse things got (as evidenced by the terrible beginning and ending sections of the game). By the time you get to Thessia, there's nothing else to cover, and things just get progressively worse.

No Horizon was awesome and so was Cerberus HQ...hell Priority Earth was awesome...why? Because instead of taking a cliched epic tone....it takes a tragic sad tone about loss....too bad fans aren't smart enought to pick up on this.

The Devil, Probably has a tragic sad tone.

Do not insult art with your preconceived notions of what these themes are.

Please...most of the haters are too stupid to realize that ME3 is about sacrifice and loss....

That want everything to be big and epic and happy.....Sorry. Bioware did not go that route.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its flawed.

I never said I disliked it. I quite like the ending I've made for myself.

My specilization in film is Nihilism. Don't lecture me on what is and isn't dark and brooding.

[ld1449]

txgoldrush wrote...

Please...most of the haters are too stupid to realize that ME3 is about sacrifice and loss....

That want everything to be big and epic and happy.....Sorry. Bioware did not go that route.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its flawed.

Hahaha. This is rich. Hypocrisy at its very finest:lol:

Modifié par ld1449, 02 août 2012 - 06:13 .

[txgoldrush]

ld1449 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...


"If sovereign would have attacked outright, with no one blocking comunications or stopping the citadel defenses from mobilizing the geth would have been surrounded by every citadel fleet in the vicinity showing up, and wiping them out, followed shortly by sovereign himself with no one inside to close the Citadel around him (which is what Saren did)"

WRONG

Its called, suprise. A trojan horse strategy (you know, what Cereberus pulls in ME3). Saren and Benezia could have easily overtaken the Council, captured the tower, and closed the arms around Sovereign after his initial suprise assault. its called shooting in th eback of the head. They don't need a stupid Conduit.

"Where exactly did Liara say "I'm going to mars I think I'll find something there" in LotSB???

She just said "I'll do everything I can to help.""

No, she says that the Broker had info of the Protheans other than Ilos and that they had other plans. But while the yahg lost hope, Liara didn't. She uses the resources she gets from the Broker to find the Crucible. Also once again....Homeworlds Vol 4.

And they did pull a surprise, the conduit dropped them right on the foot of the tower and citadel control. Whereas your scenario has them blasting their way in needing to deal with a fully prepared force and a mobilizing C sec army and the fleets above.

Even if they mannage to get it quickly they'll still be able to send out messages for help to other fleets whereas here by the time anyone even realized what was happening Citadel control was already taken.

The conduit is shooting em in the back of the head.

Your method is coming runing down the street with a shotgun screaming at the top of your lungs.

Right, the Broker had EXTENSIVE files on the protheans. Enough so that he had knowledge of the full mars archive because the crucible itself was discovered literally on the day the reapers arrived. Sure. Liara had plenty of evidence to go on through the SHADOW BROKER to get into the top secret human facility a stones throw away from their home plannet.

And sure. Keep using a comic book, not written by Drew, the man who first came up with the concept of Mass Effect, to justify your headcannon. I'll stick with mine thanks. Much more concrete than the fourth installment of a comic book that does as much handwaving as a jedi.

The Conduit is a sneak attack, but THEY DO NOT NEED IT. Thats the point. All Saren had to do is walk into the Council hall, betray the Council and kill them and then unleash geth brought behind C Sec lines. Did you see the part where Benezia snuck geth into Port Hanshan? Could have easily done it at the Citadel. He could also catch C Sec HQ unarmed....kinda like Cerberus did in ME3 and massively take them out.

Face it, stupid plot is stupid. All this time for a backdoor that they don't need.

Face it, the comic books are canon...oh wait nevermind Homeworlds #2 actually explains Tali's sudden appearance in ME1....

[RadicalDisconnect]

Well, since my question got swallowed, did Mac write TIM in ME2?

[ld1449]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Well, since my question got swallowed, did Mac write TIM in ME2?

Nope. All drew for that one.

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

devSin wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

It's sad that each subsequent level was worse than the level preceding it too.

This is just endemic of the bad plot.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the best parts of the game only tangentially involve the main "plot". The more they had to focus on that, the worse things got (as evidenced by the terrible beginning and ending sections of the game). By the time you get to Thessia, there's nothing else to cover, and things just get progressively worse.

No Horizon was awesome and so was Cerberus HQ...hell Priority Earth was awesome...why? Because instead of taking a cliched epic tone....it takes a tragic sad tone about loss....too bad fans aren't smart enought to pick up on this.

The Devil, Probably has a tragic sad tone.

Do not insult art with your preconceived notions of what these themes are.

Please...most of the haters are too stupid to realize that ME3 is about sacrifice and loss....

That want everything to be big and epic and happy.....Sorry. Bioware did not go that route.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its flawed.

I like how you just called everyone haters and stupid after everyone has been countering all of your comments, thats very adult like. Thats fine if you love ME3, but I can't make myself like bad writing because I love the ME series

[txgoldrush]

AresKeith wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

devSin wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

It's sad that each subsequent level was worse than the level preceding it too.

This is just endemic of the bad plot.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the best parts of the game only tangentially involve the main "plot". The more they had to focus on that, the worse things got (as evidenced by the terrible beginning and ending sections of the game). By the time you get to Thessia, there's nothing else to cover, and things just get progressively worse.

No Horizon was awesome and so was Cerberus HQ...hell Priority Earth was awesome...why? Because instead of taking a cliched epic tone....it takes a tragic sad tone about loss....too bad fans aren't smart enought to pick up on this.

The Devil, Probably has a tragic sad tone.

Do not insult art with your preconceived notions of what these themes are.

Please...most of the haters are too stupid to realize that ME3 is about sacrifice and loss....

That want everything to be big and epic and happy.....Sorry. Bioware did not go that route.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean its flawed.

I like how you just called everyone haters and stupid after everyone has been countering all of your comments, thats very adult like. Thats fine if you love ME3, but I can't make myself like bad writing because I love the ME series

Please....ME1 and ME2 has some bad writing as well and very contrived moments.

Seriously, haters either ignore or miss plain facts given to them in the game or miss the point and the themes entirely...or whine because things didn't play out the way the wanted.

[ld1449]

txgoldrush wrote...

Please....ME1 and ME2 has some bad writing as well and very contrived moments.

Seriously, haters either ignore or miss plain facts given to them in the game or miss the point and the themes entirely...or whine because things didn't play out the way the wanted.

Again ladies and gentlemen, Hypocrisy at its finest.

Modifié par ld1449, 02 août 2012 - 06:24 .

[txgoldrush]

ld1449 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Please....ME1 and ME2 has some bad writing as well and very contrived moments.

Seriously, haters either ignore or miss plain facts given to them in the game or miss the point and the themes entirely...or whine because things didn't play out the way the wanted.

Again ladies and gentlemen, Hypocrisy at its finest.

I just state the facts....

Your the hypocrite, you are the one defending plot holes and bad writing. Simply put, ME3 haters just want to ignore blatant flaws of ME1 and even ME2.


Nevermind another thing.....TIM fits right in with ME3's MAIN theme of sacrifice and fits as Shepard's foil.

[Ozzy]

I think it's more correctly labelled as irony.
In any case, extraneous material (such as the comics, novels etc) should not be relied upon to explain why things are the way they are in the game. Why there was this sudden resource at Mars should have been explained in the game. Much like how Liara's sudden change in character should have been explained in ME2. Use the comics as supplements and expand on story points, not as replacements for important in-game exposition.

[LanceSolous13]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

LanceSolous13 wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Helper f'ed up on romanced Thane. Although some Thanemancers are a bit extreme, their anger is understandable. I think he did well on EDI except for the sexbot part and her brief intro.

Extreme?

BTW, Its Hepler. He had to fix his card thing at SDCC.

Their disappointment at Thane's treatment is justified. Some of their arguments, which involves attacking other characters because they got more screen time than Thane or just because Helper wrote them, are extreme. I won't list names, but there are a few Thanemancers who really act like obsessed teenaged girls when it comes to Thane. Most Thanemancers are fine, but there are some that get on my nerves.

As for Mac, didn't he write the ME2 TIM as well?

I guess I'm lucky as I haven't  met them yet.

But, They're anger is justified. I'm surprised I haven't heard more uproar over Jacob as he is in worse shape than Thane.