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[BatmanPWNS]

So I'm close to finish DA: Origins and am going to play DA 2 very soon but all I hear about the game is negative feedback so can anyone tell me what to expect from it? Is it similar to DA: Origins and is it a better RPG? I don't want to have high hopes and end up disappointed like another Bioware product as of late.

[snap_dragon]

Well, it's all a matter of opinion, but my opinion is that DA 2 is worse. DA:O was in production for about 6 years; DA 2 was completed in 1 year. It could have been a fantastic sequel, and while it is entertaining at times, it was obviously rushed and it was a major step back for the Dragon Age series. That being said, it wasn't a terrible game, it just wasn't as good as Origins. But honestly, the game has been out for a long time. You could just look it up...

[ItsTheTruth]

- boring, lame, Faux-Shepard hero
- boring story set in only one, ugly city
- same 3 dungeons reused the whole game
- annoying wave system of enemies falling from the sky
- ugly characters and world
- worst companions in any Bioware game

In my opinion
DA:O 9.5/10
DA2: 2/10

[devSin]

It truly depends.

The characters are great. I love them. The writing is full of just as much life. The story struggles, and there's not really anything that ties it together, but the individual acts are fun (the third does suffer from obvious lack of time, though). It has a peremptory ending that may not be satisfying (partly because there was supposed to be an expansion, and because the world evolves from game to game independent of the specific protagonist). I didn't really mind it (but then, I always knew there was going to be an expansion, so maybe that colored my perception), and as far as I'm concerned, it's nothing at all like ME3 (at all). It may not be the best ending, but it's nowhere near the worst.

The mechanics are spotty. I like the combat more, but it quickly turns rote. The spawn mechanics are ridiculous (enemies come in waves, and when they spawn in, they invariably just drop in from the sky), but it really didn't bother me too much during actual gameplay (it does make it difficult to plan tactically, but I don't think that's really an issue except on the higher difficulty settings). The inventory has less personality than in Origins (it's mostly random-roll properties and junk items, none of which are even useful if you have access to some DLC). The crafting system is different, but I don't think it's worse (which doesn't necessarily mean it's any better). Balance for the character classes is different and a bit more restrictive (both in allowed items and talents), but I actually didn't mind the new limitations.

It has the familiar dialogue wheel and voiced protagonist, rather than the silent protagonist of Origins. I preferred it, actually, and I think the dialogue is largely at the same level as Origins (maybe not as refined, but I think it often has more spirit). Music and sound are good, and the visuals are decent. I think the textures are a bit contrasty (the hi-res textures, at least), and the color palette seems to annoy some people, but I overall enjoyed the art. Some of the character models are bad (the new darkspawn are sad creatures, and the elves need refinement). Some of the area design also seems less than spectacular, a problem exacerbated by the fact that maps are ceaslessly reused throughout the entire game.

One of my biggest problems with the game is the lack of perceptible progression. Companions have a single appearance, regardless of what equipment they have and regardless of what level they are. They will look the same throughout the entire game (minus some vanity changes for your romance partner, and for one of the characters you meet early on). Additionally, the entire game is centered in one city, and most all of the content will take place in this city. Although you will occasionally leave the city, there's no escaping the fact that the majority of the game happens in this relatively small area. And despite the supposed passage of time, you basically tread and retread the same ground, over and over and over. There is no major new area that opens up in later acts. There is no long sojourn away from the city after the initial act. No matter how powerful you get or how far you advance, you're going to be staring at the same people in the same place for a long time (and this combines with the egregious map reuse to create a deadly storm of perceptual stagnancy).

My best advice is to try the demo. If you're not totally turned off by the combat, then you should be able to at least clear the first two acts of the full game. I hope you like it even if you consider it to not be an entirely great game (which is generally my feeling on it), but you may hate it (a lot of people seem to). There is a reason it's not considered an excellent game and is derided as a sequel to Origins, but I still think there's some quality content in there that deserves to be experienced, even if it didn't all come together perfectly.

So there.

Modifié par devSin, 02 août 2012 - 05:36 .

[PirateT138]

I consider DA: Origins one of the best games I've ever played.

DA2 was a betrayal of fan trust; being poorly executed, rushed and generally just inferior.

The actual game-play isn't bad, the story is okay, but on the whole it's just...lame. I'm generally very willing to suspend disbelief and just go with the story being told to me, but more than a few times I had to pause and go, "Wait...WHAT!?"

Like devSin said, try the demo.

[Mello]

ItsTheTruth wrote...

- boring, lame, Faux-Shepard hero
- boring story set in only one, ugly city
- same 3 dungeons reused the whole game
- annoying wave system of enemies falling from the sky
- ugly characters and world
- worst companions in any Bioware game

In my opinion
DA:O 9.5/10
DA2: 2/10

So cold, but true. 

[ticklefist]

I'd argue that the companions are what made this game as enjoyable as it was. Most other criticisms are true though. They went too far in their attempt to streamline the DA experience then topped it off with poor design choices.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Overall DA2 is crap,there are somethings that bioware did that I liked though.Like keeping your companions even the ones you don't use at the same level.And I really like the idea of the friendship rivalry system,It just wasn't implemented well in the game.The only things that really saved the game for me were Varric and the Arishok

[The Hierophant]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

So I'm close to finish DA: Origins and am going to play DA 2 very soon but all I hear about the game is negative feedback so can anyone tell me what to expect from it? Is it similar to DA: Origins and is it a better RPG? I don't want to have high hopes and end up disappointed like another Bioware product as of late.

The best thing i can tell you is to play the game with no expectations whatsoever. It sounds pessimistic, but it'll save you in the long run. Oh yeah i almost forgot, but try to get used to seeing copy pasted dungeons til the final act.

[wsandista]

Honestly, it plays like Marvel Ultimate Alliance or Gauntlet Legends, just much worse. As far as role-playing goes........much less than DAO.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

So I'm close to finish DA: Origins and am going to play DA 2 very soon but all I hear about the game is negative feedback so can anyone tell me what to expect from it? Is it similar to DA: Origins and is it a better RPG? I don't want to have high hopes and end up disappointed like another Bioware product as of late.

Please, please don't play Dragon Age 2 there is no need to punish yourself.

[zyntifox]

If you like Dragon age: Origins emphasis on role-playing and strategic combat; and that is what you want from the sequel you probably shouldn't buy it. If you like action/adventure games, such as Mass Effect, and don't mind a change in core concept in the series you should buy it. Just be prepared that in the sequel you are no longer the driver, you are the passenger.

[Rxdiaz]

Cstaf wrote...

If you like Dragon age: Origins emphasis on role-playing and strategic combat; and that is what you want from the sequel you probably shouldn't buy it. If you like action/adventure games, such as Mass Effect, and don't mind a change in core concept in the series you should buy it. Just be prepared that in the sequel you are no longer the driver, you are the passenger.

I really liked the Mass Effect series but still hated DA2.

But I do kind of see what your saying here.

[zyntifox]

Rxdiaz wrote...

Cstaf wrote...

If you like Dragon age: Origins emphasis on role-playing and strategic combat; and that is what you want from the sequel you probably shouldn't buy it. If you like action/adventure games, such as Mass Effect, and don't mind a change in core concept in the series you should buy it. Just be prepared that in the sequel you are no longer the driver, you are the passenger.

I really liked the Mass Effect series but still hated DA2.

But I do kind of see what your saying here.

Well i like the Mass effect series aswell. But i have never played it as a roleplaying game. DA:O i did play as a roleplaying game however and therefore was disappointed with DA2 because, in my opinion, it is not a roleplaying game. Don't get me wrong, as a action/adventure game, DA2 is nothing compared to Mass effect but i would still put them in the same category.

I don't hate DA2, i am just disappointed enough (in quality and direction) to not buy any sequels to the series.

[FKA_Servo]

It's different. Voiced protagonist, set origin - less choice in that respect than even Mass Effect. It's still worth trying though.

Pick it up cheap and play it. It's a good game with some admittedly egregious problems - most of which are due to it being kicked out the door well before it was done. The writing is great, the cast is wonderful, and Act 2 is a treat. It's not DAO, but it is one of my favorite games, in spite of it's flaws.

The DLC is excellent - not as large in scope as Awakening for DAO (or as horribly buggy, either), but probably better - and far more satisfying - than any of the smaller DLCs like Leliana's Song/Golems of Ag. In my opinion, of course.

It's cheap. A lot of people still think it's a fine game. The worst possible outcome is you don't like it.

Modifié par TommyServo, 03 août 2012 - 03:24 .

[Alyka]

I would suggest that you don't go into DA:2 thinking it's going to be like DA:O.
DA:2 is a whole other beast.The development time was short and it shows.The art style was changed; a few things for the better, but most was for the worse.
Expect repetition,streamlining,fast-paced combat,and paraphrasing.

The game wasn't terrible but it pales in comparison to Origins.In my opinion, anyways.
Overall, I'd give DA:2 a 7/10.
Give the game a try if you're really curious.Who knows? You might wind up liking it.

[schalafi]

I agree with Alyka. If you start the game thinking it's like DA:Origins you're going to be angry and disappointed. If you start it with an open mind, and no expectations you may find it an ok game. There are a lot of changes that didn't go over well with the gamers who loved Origins, but if you judge it on it's own merits,(or lack of them), you'll either like it, or hate it.
I've played DA2 quite a few times, and each time I played it I liked it a bit more. I liked the characters, the banter, the fighting style, (except for the waves of enemies), but I played a Mage in Origins, and didn't like it. Playing a Mage in DA2 is MUCH Better, imo.

Also despite the repeating dungeons, and a lot of useless loot, I liked the first 2 acts, the stories and the quests. I didn't like the third act as well, because it was obviously rushed, but the ending wasn't terrible like in ME3.

I've played a lot of games that were worse!

Modifié par schalafi, 03 août 2012 - 05:05 .

[zyntifox]

schalafi wrote...

I agree with Alyka. If you start the game thinking it's like DA:Origins you're going to be angry and disappointed. If you start it with an open mind, and no expectations you may find it an ok game. There are a lot of changes that didn't go over well with the gamers who loved Origins, but if you judge it on it's own merits,(or lack of them), you'll either like it, or hate it.
I've played DA2 quite a few times, and each time I played it I liked it a bit more. I liked the characters, the banter, the fighting style, (except for the waves of enemies), but I played a Mage in Origins, and didn't like it. Playing a Mage in DA2 is MUCH Better, imo.

Also despite the repeating dungeons, and a lot of useless loot, I liked the first 2 acts, the stories and the quests. I didn't like the third act as well, because it was obviously rushed, but the ending wasn't terrible like in ME3.

I've played a lot of games that were worse!

I've played far worse games than DA2 as well. However, i don't think i have played a game that is marketed as a RPG as bad as DA2. This in terms of being able to roleplay in the world they have created. Now, im not saying there isn't games marketed as roleplaying games out there that is worse in that regard; just that i have not played them if there is.

[Renmiri1]

I actually liked the story and combat on DA2 more than the one in Origins.

Origins is not a bad story is just done to death: assemble a team to kill evil incarnate. Been seeing and playing that since I was out of diapers. Lord of the Rings was published 40+ years ago with this theme, it's getting a bit too cliche for me.

DA2 has a different theme. It's story goes following the life of one person over 7 years, from the moment he/she escapes from the darkspawn horde and arrives penniless at a new place, to the time he/ she raises to be one of the most important people in that city. There is no evil Archdemon to slay, each act has a goal and some antagonists but they change from act 1 to act 3. I found the characters and motivations deep and interesting.

I'd urge you to play it, pretending it is not a Dragon Age Origins game. There is very little content from DAO there, only some cameo scenes with Alistair and Zevran. But the new npc cast is pretty fun. Companions hate each others guts sometimes, but it is all friendly banter, like Alistair and Morrigan. And they all have interesting stories and motivations. I found their back story deeper and more creative than the ones on DAO but they are also a lot more controversial, I think. 
 The writing is a lot more nuanced.  Not one of them is purely likable, like Wynne. They all have a dark side and succumb to it (or not) during the game, depending on their loyalty to you. Pretty much no one is pure evil or pure good on the entire game. The final boss is someone you can actually see yourself siding with in different circunstances.  Even your own character (Hawke) is very nuanced and playing him/her straight up Paragon or Rebel makes you lose some alliances you may need later.

Qunari have also a lot bigger role in DA2. Instead of the cliche "mute brooding alien" Sten from DAO, you have a whole ship of them, some as brainwashed as Sten, some even abandon the Qun. And you get to earn the respect of the Qunari leader. I loved that part of the story. They also look a lot better than Sten on DAO, a lot more menacing.

In summary, DA2 is a good game that I think it is worth playing, but has little to do with DAO.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 04 août 2012 - 12:53 .

[Scarlet Rabbi]

Expect a drop in quality and quantity. DA2 can't hold a candle to Origins.

[SirGladiator]

Its sad but true, you cant expect DA2 to be nearly as good as DAO. You should play it, its still fun in its own way, just not as much fun. The story is the worst part for me, its supposed to be all about you and your family, and yet with a single exception they all die regardless of what you do, and even if you play it perfectly they still end up kidnapped for a large part of the game and you're left with no family whatsoever until the very end. Its like if you played DAO and there was literally no way to beat the dragon at the end, all you can do is save yourself and one of your teammates, thats about what its like to 'win' in DA2. So the story needed to be a lot better, the combat was inferior, in fact downright bizarre at times, but other than that there was still a lot to like about it, you do get to see a lot of old friends and such. So play the game, just expect it to be inferior, and hopefully you wont be disappointed.

[Renmiri1]

Well family to my Hawke was her companions ... (spoiler deleted )

Modifié par Renmiri1, 05 août 2012 - 01:48 .

[zyntifox]

@SirGladiator & Renmiri1 - spoiler free forum, you might want to edit that.

[Cultist]

If you like RPG - play Origins
If you like arcade hack-and-slash - you should still avoid Dragon Age 2 - it fails even in being arcade.

[BatmanPWNS]

Thank for the feedback everyone, I'll still play it but I'll try not to compare it to DAO (Though it was exellent so it'll be hard) and hopefully will find something good out of it that way.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 04 août 2012 - 08:05 .