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[JamesMoriarty123]

I'm unsure if it's already been addressed or mentioned but when you
Shapeshift as a Mage the damage you do is actually based on your
Strength attribute as opposed to the Magic attribute like it says in
the Shapeshift description.

I was a level 20 Mage with max Shapeshifting and I was going 11 dmg per hit, when I hit, which wasn't often.

Also the cast time limits it's value. Generally in a fight where it would be useful, by the time I had it cast, I was practically dead. This on top of the fact that I did next to no dmg = waste of time.

Can we get a Bioware rep to comment on this please?

[JamesMoriarty123]

Bump.

[Tonya777]

I agree

[Denhvide]

could it be that shapeshifting roxx with AW?

[Tonya777]

"roxx"? (Scoffs) No it wouldn't , all your buffs come off when you turn into an animal form , you would be just as killable as ever as an animal SS/AW and would only do more damage , damage still less than warriors and rogues , cept in swarm form if fighting 10,000 things at once with lots of nature dmg + gear

[12monkeys]

yep, and you lose all your sustained abilities when you shapeshift. bye-bye party buffs.

as a shapeshifter, you are supposed to be a fearsome creature. in-game however, you do little damage, you cannot cast spells, no sustained abilties. even the ranger pets have higher hp's than you have. you have to rely on your puny creature-specific abilities, which will not make a lot of difference on the battlefield.

[JamesMoriarty123]

I'ma keep bumping this until it gets Bioware recognition. It's something that really needs looking at.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Bumpety Bump/

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

Just a hunch, but I'm guessing most of the Bioware staff is on official or unofficial (called in sick) Christmas vacation.

Yeah, shafeshifing needs some work.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 22 décembre 2009 - 09:29 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Yeah I'll bump it again after the holiday period.

[Diamaht]

I'm thinking all it needs to be is an instant cast. If a mage can shift freely between forms it becomes very usefull.  Make it work similar to shifting in the fade during the circle tower quest, that was a lot of fun.

I suppose a mod could do this too

Modifié par Diamaht, 22 décembre 2009 - 10:27 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Theres no point in being able to shift quickly if the forms you shift into are completely useless.



What bothers me the most however, is that in the ability description is actually says form strength is based on the Magic attribute, it isn't however. It's based on the Strength attribute which is ridonculous.

[Apophis2412]

Can't you just use the cheat codes to raise your strength to an appropiate level and be done with it?

[Nowaysis]

Yes, let's all cheat, and save Bioware the ordeal of actually fixing a broken mechanic.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Considering Morrigan starts off with a higher than normal (for a mage) strength and dex, I think bioware possibly is aware of this but maybe they forgot to reword it.



Think of it this way, whilst obviously this would be running into comparison to Arcane Warrior, basically if they shifted all of shapeshifter stuff into magic, that means that someone could have all the cake and eat it. Transforming either into a big tanking bear, a devilish melee DPS spider or a castermaniac without having to make any real sacrifices to stats.

[Gaidren]

I tell myself the reason Morrigan won't teach you shapeshifting if you have high approval (but does teach it if your approval is low) is that she's doing you a favor.

[I ReVaNChisT I]

Nowaysis wrote...

Yes, let's all cheat, and save Bioware the ordeal of actually fixing a broken mechanic.

lol i cheated just to see if it was feasable, even with the greater dmg, there still isnt much incentive to ss when your spells can rip through most enemies, buy the time you would have finished shifting, also i havnt  checked thuroughly but i dont think  weapon dmg buffs like teleketic weapons work

i just dont get how bioware could make blood mage and arcane warrior op yet stuff up majorly when making the shape shifter, didnt they do any testing for it?

[Apophis2412]

Gaidren wrote...

I tell myself the reason Morrigan won't teach you shapeshifting if you have high approval (but does teach it if your approval is low) is that she's doing you a favor.

Since when is Morrigan nice to people?

[fantasypisces]

Yeah i agree, I actually ended up using the respec mod to take all my points out of shapeshifting. But still kept it as a specialization for RP purposes.

[beserker7]

Yes, it needs a major overhaul(like templar & reaver for warriors). The trailer shows Morrigan changing instantaneously to a spider, that's what I want. They should make it take the casting time of like Mind Blast to change forms and give the animals damage based on majic score not strength. You should not be doing a lame 11, per hit.

Also the animals used stink, except for Stinging Swarm(cool). It would have been cool if she could have learned Werewolf, Drake, and Dragon along the way, but without fixing the cast time and damage its a bust for me.

Going Blood Mage/Arcane Warrior and am unstoppable. Virulent Walking Bomb+Curse of Mortality+Death Cloud+Blood Wound+Blood Control+ mopping up with sword= Most fun I've had as a Mage.

Modifié par beserker7, 23 décembre 2009 - 04:34 .

[beserker7]

beserker7 wrote...

Yes, it needs a major overhaul(like templar & reaver for warriors). The trailer shows Morrigan changing instantaneously to a spider, that's what I want. They should make it take the casting time of like Mind Blast to change forms and give the animals damage based on majic score not strength. You should not be doing a lame 11, per hit.

Also the animals used stink, except for Stinging Swarm(cool). It would have been cool if she could have learned Werewolf, Drake, and Dragon along the way, but without fixing the cast time and damage its a bust for me.

Going Blood Mage/Arcane Warrior and am unstoppable. Virulent Walking Bomb+Curse of Mortality+Death Cloud+Blood Wound+Blood Control+ mopping up with sword= Most fun I've had as a Mage.

[fantasypisces]

Erm, Templar is an amazing specialization and Reaver can be pretty darn good.

[beserker7]

fantasypisces wrote...

Erm, Templar is an amazing specialization and Reaver can be pretty darn good.

Holy smite, even at higher levels only does like 20-30 damage for a couple seconds. That does nothing to normal enemies with health in the 250's. Reaver talents are good, except for the final one, as it doesn't increase damage at all. I stop an pause when my health was under 25% and my damage score was the same. It doesn't work. Aura of pain looked good but was only doing like 5 damage every couple seconds. 

They both are way underpowered, IMO. Look at Mana Clash, Walking Bomb, and other Mage spells that do so much damage. Templar and Reaver final talents should have been doing a similar level of damage, IMO. 

[Gaidren]

Reaver and Templar are amazing compared to Shapeshifting.



I still think Champion/Beserker are better, but the dispel ability of Templar isn't awful and Aura of Pain is nice for holding aggro on multiple mobs for tanks. Shapeshifting is just.....bad. Every point spent in it is a wasted point.