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[havoc373]

kai leng is a pointless character. he's suposed to be this master assassin, also an N7 like shepard. this could have been a great character sort of shepards nemesis for ME3. but we dont see him till halfway through the story first time we see him, and he's beaten by a terminaly i'll drell,
he runs away to kill the council, in which he also fails.

at this point there is no threat from this guy as all he does is fail.
then he appears out of nowhere on thessia, and plot armor saves him and causes him to win the fight. and then he re-appears on chronos station again where his presence is completly unbelieveable. why would he still be there? the battle is lost for cerberus, why risk going after shepard, when he should be getting away (he's been trying to get away from shepard the entire story why would this be any different)

his only purpose in the story is to get vendetta from thessia to the illusive man. thats it. this could easily have been done by any other character from whom we didnt have an expectation from the books, but no we get this pointless character from the books that does nothing but run away from our protagonist. and when we do get to fight him, plot armor saves him.

[Eain]

havoc373 wrote...
his only purpose in the story is to get vendetta from thessia to the illusive man. thats it. this could easily have been done by any other character from whom we didnt have an expectation from the books, but no we get this pointless character from the books that does nothing but run away from our protagonist. and when we do get to fight him, plot armor saves him.

Worst part is that the true hero of that segment is the gunship pilot, not even Kai Leng. Kai Leng was just a decoy used to get Shepard into the open, and then the gunship did all the work. Kai Leng just ran an errand from the Athame statue back to the gunship and probably took the credit for it afterwards.

Someone should give gunship guy a raise.

[TheRealJayDee]

The Angry One wrote...

You can give reasons to hate antagonists without making them moronic trolls.

Kai Leng is a moronic troll. Moreover, he doesn't display any ability to back up his boasts.
He's incompetent, fails at everything he does and succeeds only with plot armour and cheating.
One way to guarantee that a player will look down on a character is having that character be easily beatable in gameplay then have them win in a cutscene.

Kai Leng, especially in the context of Deception, is really just the parody of a villain. He could actually have been kinda endearing and providing some comic relief, but sadly the writers decided to consider him a serious character and let him win everytime for no reason justifiable by ingame logic. It's amazing how these things work: do the writers/designers actually think they created a memorable, serious villain when in reality he just comes across as an annoying laughing stock?

[Jayleia]

The Angry One wrote...

Beat these moves, Shepard.

I've seen Shepard's moves...Shepard's got nothin', heck Shepard makes MY moves look good...

[FlamingBoy]

i wanted to fight the reapers not Cerberus

[Ozzy]

Some of his concept art makes him look a lot more intimidating. The concept of giving him a squad was also interesting. Could have been a good Omega fight.
As is, he's a hyperactive ninja who comes out of nowhere and is thrust into the role as Shepard's rival or polar opposite. You kinda need to have some substance and foreshadowing when you want to play that role and Kai Leng has neither. I think they shouldn't have pulled the plug on the ME2 DLC so fast. That would have been the perfect avenue for the Kai Leng intro and the Omega conflict could have slotted in nicely there. Alas, they were in a rush to pump out ME3.

[Xellith]

Kai Leng displays competence that is reminiscent of Team Rocket.

Modifié par Xellith, 02 août 2012 - 01:34 .

[WindfishDude]

I wanted to like Kai Leng, I really did.

I think bringing cyborg-ninjas into the ME universe was unecessary, but I'm not going to hate on it.

But man, was this dude just a little ****... one of the most annoying villains I've come across in any recent media. He tries so hard to be intimidating, it comes off like a kid trying to bully a bigger kid. I had him pinned in seconds at every encounter but the plot dictates that he lives, so I had to put up with his juvenile taunting for minutes at a time, while I just tried to wait out the encounter.

He reminded me of Wimp Lo from Kung Pow -Enter the Fist, and that makes him all the more hilarious.

[Ozzy]

WindfishDude wrote...
He reminded me of Wimp Lo from Kung Pow -Enter the Fist, and that makes him all the more hilarious.

Now I'm going to imagine an unfitting dubbing over him every time he shows up. 
Thanks.

[Chrome tater tot]

He was just annoying. Was he supposed to be an antagonist? Because I'm pretty sure the reapers filled that role just fine. He was more like a mosquito that I was having trouble squashing. Maybe more like a roach, since he kept miraculously surviving all the stompings I gave him. Ultimately the game gained nothing from his presence.

[guacamayus]

I did not read the books, taking the info on ME3 I can't say I hate or like Kai Leng, I "nothing" him, which in my opinion it's far worse than anything else. Not just his personality, space ninjas are not my thing; a simpleton using a katana when everybody else is just shooting hyper-velocity rounds... does not compute xD

[tyrvas]

Kai Leng should have been part of the sith or a rogue jedi in a SW game/movie.
He just needed a lightkantana.

Maybe he already was in a SW movie and game with another name...
reminds me of, Darth Maul (is this correct?), lots of jumps, fancy moves,
nice doublesaber (in this case katana) for what, 2 minute delay in main story plot.

[ioannisdenton]

WindfishDude wrote...

I wanted to like Kai Leng, I really did.

I think bringing cyborg-ninjas into the ME universe was unecessary, but I'm not going to hate on it.

But man, was this dude just a little ****... one of the most annoying villains I've come across in any recent media. He tries so hard to be intimidating, it comes off like a kid trying to bully a bigger kid. I had him pinned in seconds at every encounter but the plot dictates that he lives, so I had to put up with his juvenile taunting for minutes at a time, while I just tried to wait out the encounter.

He reminded me of Wimp Lo from Kung Pow -Enter the Fist, and that makes him all the more hilarious.

You must excuse WIMP law. we mistrained him just for fun.
"I rock... and roll... all day long.. sweet suzy"
"my finger points..."
"if you had an ass i would kick it"
"I am bleeding , making me the victor" !!!!!!
:lol::lol:

[Marauder Shields N7]

 Because he's laughable and I can't take him seriously.

[KIERONOO]

Miranda summed him up perfectly

[Memnon]

WindfishDude wrote...

He reminded me of Wimp Lo from Kung Pow -Enter the Fist, and that makes him all the more hilarious.

This made me lol so hard ...

[Andrew_S]

Emotionally underdeveloped JRPG minor boss character thrown into a lead boss role in a Sci-Fi WRPG...nuff said.

[TookYoCookies]

Terminus Echoes wrote...

I thought he was a pretty good antagonist. Tied the games in with the books a bit, which I have never actually read because they sounded really stupid (the only ME book I read was Revelation).

He was cool, new, and, unlike the Illusive Man, gave reason for you to hate him. He kills the Salarian Councilor/Thane/Kirrahe, steals Vendetta on Thessia, sends you a taunting email, and attacks Miranda. I have to say that when he showed up and got away at Thessia, that was the biggest "Holy crap" emotional moment I had in the game.

So why does everyone hate him?

Probably the stupidest, most contrived, childish antagonist ive ever seen in gaming. He jumps on the hood of a flying car - barrel Roll - Kai Leng dead. That should have been the length of his involvement in ME3, instead he was given plot armor thicker than the heads of ending apologists, and teamed up with holographic Child to ensure ME3 was the stupidest entry in the trilogy.


Kai Leng is also gay. Shepard has never seen/spoke/or interacted with Kai Leng, yet Kai Leng is just madly obbsessed/Jealous of Shep for some unknown reason. The most likely one being, that Kai-Leng is super fantastically gay and wants to get all up on BroShep's nuts.

Kai Leng was a terrible, contrived, plot-damaging character, that was forced into the story because Mac Walters thinks space ninjas are cool. Massive fail Bioware, massive fail..

[Torhagen]

Terminus Echoes wrote...

I thought he was a pretty good antagonist. Tied the games in with the books a bit, which I have never actually read because they sounded really stupid (the only ME book I read was Revelation).

He was cool, new, and, unlike the Illusive Man, gave reason for you to hate him. He kills the Salarian Councilor/Thane/Kirrahe, steals Vendetta on Thessia, sends you a taunting email, and attacks Miranda. I have to say that when he showed up and got away at Thessia, that was the biggest "Holy crap" emotional moment I had in the game.

So why does everyone hate him?

like you wrote before because who ever wrote him did a good Job easy as that he was never one to be liked

[Terraforming2154]

Greylycantrope wrote...

He's not threatening at all and fails as an antagonist, I couldn't take him seriously. Plot armor was the only reason he survives our first encounter.

Lol, this should have happened.

I don't mind plot armor if it is done somewhat well. Final Fantasy IX is my favorite game and it has a character that has plot armor until about 3/4ths of the way through and I didn't mind that. 

The problem I had with Leng is that Shep and her companions are made out to be amateurs and morons so he can continue to be a viable threat.

Shep not shooting Leng when he is on the floor after Thane's biotic slap, Thane running and jumping toward a man with a sword, Shepard losing the ability to shoot competently (the scene of her running after him on the Citadel is painful - she misses about six times), Shepard shooting the inside of the windshield, etc. etc.

He could have been an interesting foil for Shepard, but the writers didn't let him develop naturally. They just tried to ram it down our throats that he was the "bad" guy and some great enemy that we should care about. I remember beating him on Cronos Station and getting the Xbox Achievement for defeating "an old adversary." And all I could think was I how little I cared about Kai Leng and how little of an advesary he really was.

[Someone With Mass]

He's a juvenile ass who pales in comparison to any other Mass Effect antagonists, like Saren. Any sort of character he had in the books was thrown away for the game to say "LOLZ NINJAS R KEWL"

He wasn't really established as a character by the game either. He was just there at one point.

Let's not forget that a terminally ill drell kept him away from his target, while he's killed far worse enemies with less effort.

[Kitten Tactics]

He looks like something my brother would have drawn in middle school.

[Alex_Dur4and]

This is a personal opinion!

I find him to be lame and underdeveloped. He is your typical cybernetic japanimation ninja assassin with no other purpose than work for the Archenemy and do his every bidding without question. He might be indoctrinated and deprived of free will, but that doesn't make me like him more because he's such a tool and he used to be a very sick and disturbed individual.

I don't understand why the Illusive Man chose him as a "better" replacement for Shepard... TIM started to make no sense for me at that moment and my admiration for him was greatly diminished.

When "space ninja" killed Thane... the "not like" turned into "hate". I really enjoyed killing him!

[GreyLycanTrope]

Terraforming2154 wrote...
*snip*

He could have been an interesting foil for Shepard, but the writers didn't let him develop naturally. They just tried to ram it down our throats that he was the "bad" guy and some great enemy that we should care about. I remember beating him on Cronos Station and getting the Xbox Achievement for defeating "an old adversary." And all I could think was I how little I cared about Kai Leng and how little of an advesary he really was.

I honestly thought we'd get that achievement for blowing up Harbinger, I saw it unlock when I beat Leng and thought it was a glitch.

[RShara]

Because every time he appears, Shepard and his/her squad does this: