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[tvman099]

Literally nothing about the character or how he fit into the game was good. I'd say that gives us all a pretty good reason to hate on him.

[Jamie9]

I liked him in "Retribution". The problem with him in "Deception" is that he is OOC often, and in ME3 he is way too... flamboyant?

And that troll email was stupid. Basically, I don't hate Leng. I like Leng. When he's written like he was when we first met him. I actually wondered if he'd redeem himself in Omega but he made no appearance.

[Calliope]

I disliked Priority: Thessia pretty much from start to end. Kai Leng was big part of the reason why. Any character that is that incompetant in a fight and then turns up in cutscene where you can't win because of plot armor is ill-concieved.

Perhaps he is better in the books. I wouldn't know, I havn't read them.

Also, am I the only one who found Shepard's reaction to the incident on Thessia annoying? Please, What happened on Thessia is no worse than on any other world. I could understand being upset, but the reaction seemed......out of place.

Modifié par Calliope, 03 décembre 2012 - 12:09 .

[xAmilli0n]

Tigerman123 wrote...

Kai leng is a bad character because he's supposed to provide a counterpoint to Shepard, but he's completely unconvincing in that role. His appearance and demeanor aren't even slightly threatening, he would've been much more menacing as a taciturn cyborg, rather than a dispenser of childish insults, who can forget the infamous email he sends you?

I think this is pretty spot on.  Contrast with Tela Vasir who played the same role MUCH more convincingly.

[Peranor]

 


May I direct you fine gentlemen to the Kai Leng fight scene support thread? It all makes sense.

[Kais Endac]

I hate Kai Leng because (I don't know about his character from the books but his presence in the game was poorly executed)
1. there is a clear disconnect between his performance in cutscenes and gameplay. On Thessia he is pathetic during the fight then during the cutscene he is suddenly invincible.
2. The email (enough said)
3. His character in the game is rather shallow.
4. Shepard's IQ  seems to drop about 150 points whenever Kai Leng enters a scene.

This is not a character I love to hate but rather one I simply hate I actually stop watching and do something else while he is on screen.

The Thessia fight and cutscene disconnect is worse than the Malak scene on the leviathan in Kotor.

Modifié par Kais Endac, 03 décembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[Delacruz]

Calliope wrote...

I disliked Priority: Thessia pretty much from start to end. Kai Leng was big part of the reason why. Any character that is that incompetant in a fight and then turns up in cutscene where you can't win because of plot armor is ill-concieved.

Perhaps he is better in the books. I wouldn't know, I havn't read them.

Also, am I the only one who found Shepard's reaction to the incident on Thessia annoying? Please, What happened on Thessia is no worse than on any other world. I could understand being upset, but the reaction seemed......out of place.

i completly agree on Shepards feelings on The Fall of Thessia feels very out of place, i never really understood why he was more sad about the loss of Thessia compared to Palaven and Earth.

[Jamie9]

Delacruz wrote...
i completly agree on Shepards feelings on The Fall of Thessia feels very out of place, i never really understood why he was more sad about the loss of Thessia compared to Palaven and Earth.

It wasn't Thessia that caused that reaction in Shepard, it was the loss of the Prothean VI. The key to the Crucible and their only hope of stopping the Reapers. Shepard looking over Thessia was demonstrating that this might be it. This might be how it ends.

[Dr_Extrem]

Jamie9 wrote...

Delacruz wrote...
i completly agree on Shepards feelings on The Fall of Thessia feels very out of place, i never really understood why he was more sad about the loss of Thessia compared to Palaven and Earth.

It wasn't Thessia that caused that reaction in Shepard, it was the loss of the Prothean VI. The key to the Crucible and their only hope of stopping the Reapers. Shepard looking over Thessia was demonstrating that this might be it. This might be how it ends.

well . i was just pi**ed and wanted to kill kai leng in a bloody and painfull way. sadly, my shepard could only choose between sad and sad.

[Jamie9]

Dr_Extrem wrote...
well . i was just pi**ed and wanted to kill kai leng in a bloody and painfull way. sadly, my shepard could only choose between sad and sad.

Agreed. Sad and vulnerable should have been paragon path, while angry as a Krogan at Cerberus should have been renegade.

All I'm saying is I didn't see Shepard's reaction as odd compared with the other traversties going on in the game. Thessia was the backdrop, the Prothean VI was the catalyst.

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[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

The fight with him on Thessia I actually didn't mind too much. I knew he wasn't going to die yet anyway so it wasn't much of a surprise. It wasn't executed properly, but it wasn't unexpected.
For me it wasn't Kai Leng, it was how Shepard acted around Kai Leng. Like another user said, it seemed like there was a dramatic drop in Shepards intelligence whenever KAi Leng was doing something really important.
I seem to be in the minority though considering Leng's attitude though. I thought it worked, though I admit I never read the books so I can't say if it was OOC or not, however I think it worked within the confines of ME3.

That's just my opinion though.

[Jonathan Shepard]

flanny wrote...

In the 3rd book he was a great character who i hoped would team up with Shepard. In ME3 he just comes across as a generic cartoon villain, I never felt anger towards him as he didn't have a believable feel to him, I only thought he was a bit sad.

Loved him in the final bossfight, but really, he should've had a larger presence, hunting Shepard down as a one-on-one antagonist, rather than having Shepard mow down 'Cerberus troops over and over.

Having to defeat special agents one at a time with only a few Cerbie trooper squads would've hopefully been much more challenging/intimidating. Also, Kai Leng needs to be about 5 times harder, and NOT have a gunship to back him up to make him seem like a decent threat.

More in-depth dialogue discussing the merrits of Cerberus like during Thessia would've been wonderful. Leng just seems like a lackey-- had he been the one discussing, or even tempting Shep to rejoin Cerberus in the pursuit of controlling the Reapers (like Bastila in Kotor, basically), he would've been much more well-received.

[Dr_Extrem]

Jamie9 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...
well . i was just pi**ed and wanted to kill kai leng in a bloody and painfull way. sadly, my shepard could only choose between sad and sad.

Agreed. Sad and vulnerable should have been paragon path, while angry as a Krogan at Cerberus should have been renegade.

All I'm saying is I didn't see Shepard's reaction as odd compared with the other traversties going on in the game. Thessia was the backdrop, the Prothean VI was the catalyst.

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not even that ... i played full paragon - execpt some renegade interupts. sad should have been the third option.

renegade - mad as hell
paragon - mad but level-headed
neutral - sad

[10K]

I got to be honest, ME3 screwed Kai leng's character. In the novels, Revelation through Retribution Kai leng was a badass villian who didn't joke around like this "cereal killer" imposter we got in ME3. Kai leng was ruined. BW writers killed an awesome antagonist that was protrayed in the novels and it's sad.

[Jamie9]

mosesarose wrote...

I got to be honest, ME3 screwed Kai leng's character. In the novels, Revelation through Retribution Kai leng was a badass villian who didn't joke around like this "cereal killer" imposter we got in ME3. Kai leng was ruined. BW writers killed an awesome antagonist that was protrayed in the novels and it's sad.

Kai Leng only appears in the 3rd and 4th novels, "Retribution" and "Deception" respectively. Cerberus do have a large prescence in the 2nd book, but Leng is not present.

[10K]

I may not have read the books in a while, but my point still remains. ME3 killed his character entirely.

[Jamie9]

mosesarose wrote...
I may not have read the books in a while, but my point still remains. ME3 killed his character entirely.

Yep. The first half of Deception butchered Leng's character more I feel though. He winks at an Asari! The completely racist Kai Leng winking erotically at an Asari. *sigh*.

Second half is much better, and I actually like Leng's involvement there. ME3 wasn't awful in his depiction, it just had no depth. At least he wasn't completely contradicted like in the first half of Deception.

[Asch Lavigne]

What bugs me more than his lame plot armor, smack talk and lame troll e-mail is his stupid fighting style. All he does is fancy-pants jump around in place 99% of the time. And I hate that stupid squat pose he does. I don't care how great of a sword style he may be trained in, that squat is so bad. If someone did that in front of me when trying to start a fight I'd roll on the floor laughing.

[The Moustache]

Hate is probably to strong a word, but I do dislike him quite a bit and not for the reasons I should.

His troll e-mail for a start confused me. It was like something someone would send me over PSN after playing a multiplayer game with them. The only things it was missing was a U MAD BRO and a comment about a female family member.

His general arrogance about how he was better than you even though he ran away every time you met until the Cerberus base.

The fact that the game tries to suggest that he's Shepard's equal because he was an N7, and now he's  TIM's go to guy. Even though in game he never does anything that impressive or anything that suggests hes better than Shepard.

How Shepard apparently becomes stupid whenever he's around, which is even more stupid when you think back to ME2 when Shepard came up with some incredibly contrived albeit very smart plan for the Quarian slave, yet he doesn't think to shoot Leng whilst he's  standing on top of his car a point blank range.

Then his fight in TIM's room. It reminded me of the Robot Chicken Star Wars special where Luke and Darth Vader have a Yo Mamma fight. Except that was meant to be funny.

He could have been a good character but his potential was wasted.

[Quething]

Jamie9 wrote...

Delacruz wrote...
i completly agree on Shepards feelings on The Fall of Thessia feels very out of place, i never really understood why he was more sad about the loss of Thessia compared to Palaven and Earth.

It wasn't Thessia that caused that reaction in Shepard, it was the loss of the Prothean VI. The key to the Crucible and their only hope of stopping the Reapers. Shepard looking over Thessia was demonstrating that this might be it. This might be how it ends.

Not really, though. That may have been at least one writer's intention, because there is some dialog here and there that supports it, but most of the aftermath is whining about the poor, poor asari and oh noes Thessia has fallen. Shepard doesn't autodialog apologize with absolute devastated shame to the information-withholding, assistance-denying, opportunistic asari councilor about losing the VI, she apologizes for Thessia falling. She doesn't snap at Joker for making light of Cerberus, she snaps at him for making light of Thessia's loss. Every conversation with squadmates in the aftermath is consumed with poor Liara's feefees, which Javik owners get two separate massive cutscenes about; even Garrus doesn't mention Kai Leng until after you've heard him talking to Tali about Liara, which is perfectly fair and legitimate but also very much centers the loss of Thessia and obfuscates the VI being taken. Even on Thessia itself, the scene ends not with a long shot of the destroyed Beacon, or anything to do with the VI at all, but rather with an overwrought audio of some asari soldier dying and Shepard's deeply sad sadface at being unable to help.

Also, it's what Kai Leng mostly trolls you about in his "what are you, five?" email. <_<

[d1ta]

TIM: "you really do remind me of Shepar."

... I cried.

I think KL has a good concept to it, but bad execution. And I don't dislike the guy for beating me up in Thessia either.
Now Saren on the other hand, gives me a totaly different vibe. I hate him to bits for his racist views about humans during that trial after eden prime and especially during the Virmire mission which really hurts a lot. But he's also that bad guy that I come to respect and a person whom I can take seriously.

While KL..? Especially after that e-mail..?
... Not so much.

[Islandrockzor]

In Kai Leng we, the mass effect fanbase, got the villain we deserve, not the one we need.

[Peranor]

Kai Leng deserves more love.

[Calliope]

Delacruz wrote...

Calliope wrote...

I disliked Priority: Thessia pretty much from start to end. Kai Leng was big part of the reason why. Any character that is that incompetant in a fight and then turns up in cutscene where you can't win because of plot armor is ill-concieved.

Perhaps he is better in the books. I wouldn't know, I havn't read them.

Also, am I the only one who found Shepard's reaction to the incident on Thessia annoying? Please, What happened on Thessia is no worse than on any other world. I could understand being upset, but the reaction seemed......out of place.

i completly agree on Shepards feelings on The Fall of Thessia feels very out of place, i never really understood why he was more sad about the loss of Thessia compared to Palaven and Earth.

I tend to agree, he should have upset, but not more than for Earth or Palavan.