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[Kaldarm]

I tried the Indra recently and had a lot of fun with it on my SI (top of scoreboard again) but I have to say that I still prefer the Valiant. Haven't played with the Black Widow much as I only have it at level 1 atm but am hoping to get both up to a high level and then find my favourite. Despite the recent nerf, I still really love playing Infiltrators.

[Morgax_Warrior]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Morgax_Warrior wrote...

Indra is highly effective against trooper units without armor, once you face armored opponents expect to underperform, as for "it is good with equipment" a gun should be fine without equipment, equipment suppose to compliment the gun not redeem it.
BlackWidow and Valiant still standing on top of SR-s (along with pesky Krysae giggling in some corner)

The game gives so much equipment, you'd be a fool to not use equipment every game. I mean really... why the heck not? What else are you going to do with it? Equipment allows you to have variety in your game. I don't want to use the Harrier/Claymore/Piranha every game... but with equipment I can be nearly as dominant as those weapons with a slew of other options.

A weapon should be 'decent' or 'usable' without equipment, and dominant with it... that's my opinion anyway.

FWIW... I'd rather take the Indra into Platinum than the Black Widow. It's so much easier to use... and forgiving in tense situations. Hell... I'd rather take the Saber than the Black Widow as well. Look at the stats... Saber is 100 damage behind it... but with tons more ammo for bosses and forgiveness for missing Phantoms... and it suffers no hipfire penalty.

Saber > Black Widow

I do use ammo powers everytime i join platinum match unless i want to test the gun out without ammo, i just don't see the point to waste time and ammo on gun that doesn't perform as well as it should be. As for Saber, works like a charm but it's not Sniper rifle and if you add infiltrator bonus(+40% SR dmg) to it's already on the losing side. 

[xcrunr1647]

megabeast37215 wrote...

xcrunr1647 wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Saber > Black Widow

Yes. Although in my case, I don't have the Black Widow, so the point is moot. 

Go look at the numbers brotha... it's a no brainer how much better the Saber is. The Valiant is better than the BW too. I used my kids Valiant VI yesterday... holy crap is that thing dominant... much better than my Valiant III.

I do better with the Saber than any sniper rifle anyway, just because there's no scope. Damn aim assist <_<

[DivineAura]

I love black widow and indra! They are really fun with destroyer

[xcrunr1647]

Morgax_Warrior wrote...
if you add infiltrator bonus(+40% SR dmg) to it's already on the losing side.

You need to read your tooltips more carefully. All weapons get the 4th evolution 40% damage bonus. SR's get a 25% bonus in the 6th evolution of TC.

Add in the fact that the Saber does more damage and has a higher clip capacity, and it's really no contest. Unless you just prefer sniper rifles, which some do. 

Edit: P.S. My 4/6/6/6/4 MQI says hello. Saber + Reegar is win. 

Modifié par xcrunr1647, 02 août 2012 - 01:07 .

[Mojenator12345]

Morgax_Warrior wrote...

Indra is highly effective against trooper units without armor, once you face armored opponents expect to underperform, as for "it is good with equipment" a gun should be fine without equipment, equipment suppose to compliment the gun not redeem it.

Could not disagree more.  There are some weapons that are weak without equipment, but dominate with the right gear, while others are mediocre without equipment . . . and still mediocre with equipment.  The Hornet, for example, can be near impossible to use without equipment.  Properly equipped, though, it is IMHO one of the top 3 or 4 weapons in the game. 

[Wild Wolfie]

El Chupacabra49 wrote...

Lol Indra sucks. Widow black widow and valiant are all superior. Try taking down an atlas with an Indra on gold or platinum and you'll see

Just played a game on Platinum and was top of the table. It can cut down an Atlas quicker than a Ceberus Harrier with the right mods on it. I used the armor piercing mod, extended barrel and sniper amp. I also equipped armor piercing rounds and the Indra destroyed everything.

[Lucrece]

megabeast37215 wrote...

El Chupacabra49 wrote...

Lol Indra sucks. Widow black widow and valiant are all superior. Try taking down an atlas with an Indra on gold or platinum and you'll see

We did... about a 20-30 of them... they didn't have a chance.

In one clip with Incendiary ammo I took half an Atla's armor bar off on Gold, so yeah. And unlike other snipers it lets you chain kill lesser mobs without the slow reloads.

Plus, it doesn't destroy your cooldown times like the other sniper rifles. I can carry an Indra and Hurricane and still have a better cooldown recharge than the other sniper rifles.

Modifié par Lucrece, 02 août 2012 - 01:06 .

[megabeast37215]

Morgax_Warrior wrote...

I do use ammo powers everytime i join platinum match unless i want to test the gun out without ammo, i just don't see the point to waste time and ammo on gun that doesn't perform as well as it should be. As for Saber, works like a charm but it's not Sniper rifle and if you add infiltrator bonus(+40% SR dmg) to it's already on the losing side. 

I guess we just differ on the ammo powers... for instance, when I get something new I don't try it out with nothing on it... I put the best of the best gear on it for first impressions. I want to know if a weapon can be dominant, if I can't do good with it with the very best gear on it.. it's headed for the scrap heap.

BTW... Infiltrators Sniper Damage is only 25%... has been for about a month+ now. Plus.. I can take those extra 11 points and put them elsewhere... getting an extra 25% damage is pretty easy now anyway with all the gear and consumables. Getting 11 extra skill points... is nigh impossible.

Besides... now that I have all URs maxed... I get gear faster than I can use it. Use 3 in a Platinum match, buy two spectre packs and get 6-8 of them back. I'll always have more gear than I can use... except AR Amp III's... I go through them like it's going outta style.

Modifié par megabeast37215, 02 août 2012 - 01:10 .

[xcrunr1647]

Lucrece wrote...

Plus, it doesn't destroy your cooldown times like the other sniper rifles. I can carry an Indra and Hurricane and still have a better cooldown recharge than the other sniper rifles.

This is why I want to try it out on my SE.

[Core_Commander]

Only got Indra I... and it seems to kind of suck at this level, at least. Takes ages to kill anything as a soldier (not tried on a sniper-specced infiltrator though).

I can mop up infantry (including shielded ones) faster with the Javelin, thanks to armor piercing and wallhacks making headshots through walls and cover a child's play (shielded guys take two shots, big whoop if I can shoot them before they even see me, and engineers/pyros die in one bodyshot either way)... but then again, it's only my opinion, maybe I'm missing something.

Modifié par Core_Commander, 02 août 2012 - 02:07 .

[Morgax_Warrior]

xcrunr1647 wrote...

Morgax_Warrior wrote...
if you add infiltrator bonus(+40% SR dmg) to it's already on the losing side.

You need to read your tooltips more carefully. All weapons get the 4th evolution 40% damage bonus. SR's get a 25% bonus in the 6th evolution of TC.

Add in the fact that the Saber does more damage and has a higher clip capacity, and it's really no contest. Unless you just prefer sniper rifles, which some do. 

Edit: P.S. My 4/6/6/6/4 MQI says hello. Saber + Reegar is win. 

My bad, that's what i get not for logging in the game.reload cancel usually gives me oppurtunity to ignore low clip issues.
(Side note: I don't have stomach to use Reegar (moral issues))

Black Widow || Type: Sniper Rifle || Damage I/X: 514.1/642.6 || DPS I/X: 514.1/642.60 || Magazine: 3 || Rate Of Fire: 60 || Reload Time: 2.97 || Weight I/X: 2.3/2.0 ||

Saber || Type: Assault Rifle || Damage I/X: 427.9/534.8 || DPS I/X: 518.67/648.27 || Magazine: 8 || Rate Of Fire: 80 || Reload Time: 2.9 || Weight I/X: 1.7/1.4 ||

BW wins in damage loses slightly in dps race. 
Adding the reload cancel and infiltrator bonus will turn the tide for certain.
I'm not sure if why we ended talking about Assault rifle vs SR.

[Cellar_Cat]

I wouldn't say it was the best, but it's pretty forgiving.

[cshaff]

Just got this gun and it is SICK, I have the Valiant as well, and the black widow, I love my sniper rifles.  The Indra is my new favorite.  Bullet Death Spam from Afar

[Alphaeus]

Black widow and Valiant are far better. Use them instead if you want to snipe.

[Rosalina is my BabyCakes]

I wish I could trade my useless typhoon I for an infra ;(

[megabeast37215]

Morgax_Warrior wrote...

My bad, that's what i get not for logging in the game.reload cancel usually gives me oppurtunity to ignore low clip issues.
(Side note: I don't have stomach to use Reegar (moral issues))

Black Widow || Type: Sniper Rifle || Damage I/X: 514.1/642.6 || DPS I/X: 514.1/642.60 || Magazine: 3 || Rate Of Fire: 60 || Reload Time: 2.97 || Weight I/X: 2.3/2.0 ||

Saber || Type: Assault Rifle || Damage I/X: 427.9/534.8 || DPS I/X: 518.67/648.27 || Magazine: 8 || Rate Of Fire: 80 || Reload Time: 2.9 || Weight I/X: 1.7/1.4 ||

BW wins in damage loses slightly in dps race. 
Adding the reload cancel and infiltrator bonus will turn the tide for certain.
I'm not sure if why we ended talking about Assault rifle vs SR.

Agreed on the Reegar!

The reason we started talking about it is b/c I feel the Saber performs as well if not better than all the Sniper Rifles in the game at the job of Sniping/headshotting.

The hipfire penalty for Sniper Rifles in this game is pretty stupid... Saber isn't effected by that. Plus 8-14 rounds > 3 rounds. You can cloak, start shooting and by the time TC recharge is done, you still have rounds in the Saber and can cloak again to finish off the mag. Saber is SUCH a better boss killer than the BW and Valiant.. and it's still useable at CQC unlike the BW (which can be used, but it's so much tougher). Indra is also useful in CQC... if you miss a few rounds, who cares! You got 200 more spare.

For clarification... are you a PC player? If so I can see why you would feel the way you do. Much easier to use accuracy weapons with a mouse... and PC players don't have the hideous aim assist that likes to zoom in on swarmers instead of your intended target.

[Morgax_Warrior]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Morgax_Warrior wrote...

My bad, that's what i get not for logging in the game.reload cancel usually gives me oppurtunity to ignore low clip issues.
(Side note: I don't have stomach to use Reegar (moral issues))

Black Widow || Type: Sniper Rifle || Damage I/X: 514.1/642.6 || DPS I/X: 514.1/642.60 || Magazine: 3 || Rate Of Fire: 60 || Reload Time: 2.97 || Weight I/X: 2.3/2.0 ||

Saber || Type: Assault Rifle || Damage I/X: 427.9/534.8 || DPS I/X: 518.67/648.27 || Magazine: 8 || Rate Of Fire: 80 || Reload Time: 2.9 || Weight I/X: 1.7/1.4 ||

BW wins in damage loses slightly in dps race. 
Adding the reload cancel and infiltrator bonus will turn the tide for certain.
I'm not sure if why we ended talking about Assault rifle vs SR.

Agreed on the Reegar!

The reason we started talking about it is b/c I feel the Saber performs as well if not better than all the Sniper Rifles in the game at the job of Sniping/headshotting.

The hipfire penalty for Sniper Rifles in this game is pretty stupid... Saber isn't effected by that. Plus 8-14 rounds > 3 rounds. You can cloak, start shooting and by the time TC recharge is done, you still have rounds in the Saber and can cloak again to finish off the mag. Saber is SUCH a better boss killer than the BW and Valiant.. and it's still useable at CQC unlike the BW (which can be used, but it's so much tougher). Indra is also useful in CQC... if you miss a few rounds, who cares! You got 200 more spare.

For clarification... are you a PC player? If so I can see why you would feel the way you do. Much easier to use accuracy weapons with a mouse... and PC players don't have the hideous aim assist that likes to zoom in on swarmers instead of your intended target.

Yes you got me there PC player, i wish i could experience the infamous aim assist on consoles heard a lot about how bad that feature is. Still i guess it's personal preference when it comes to choose between BW and Saber, both are good guns.

[megabeast37215]

Morgax_Warrior wrote...

Yes you got me there PC player, i wish i could experience the infamous aim assist on consoles heard a lot about how bad that feature is. Still i guess it's personal preference when it comes to choose between BW and Saber, both are good guns.

Ahh.. makes alot more sense now. I'd probably tote the BW more often if I had a mouse to aim with. Agreed, they're both good guns.

Hate you guys being able to use the medi-gel button to reload cancel  I just use my powers.

[Rafahil893]

It seems it's only really good with the Geth Infiltrator or N7 Destroyer....

[xcrunr1647]

Moral issues with using the Reegar.

Just curious, no offense meant, but do you know what the word "moral" means?

I can understand not using the Reegar + Flamer, but what's wrong with the Reegar on a MQI?

[Milan_HUN]

I am the only one who thinks we should get rid of the scope and call it assault rifle instead of sniper rifle? Just a quick thought... Fully automatic sniper rifle sounds weird.

Modifié par Milan_HUN, 02 août 2012 - 02:08 .