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[KIERONOO]

YOU HAVE COME TOO FAR!

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Will the firefight pack be free?

[xac21]

3DandBeyond wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

..Well, that was underwhelming

Ok and that affects the ending how?  I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but if Leviathan just adds more story to explain the star kid then it's just a massive retcon/fix to make the ending fit.  If it adds to EMS then to what end?  The same, then wee.

The Ending is not Changing! I don't know how many times BW has to say it! Many of us simply are happy with more story!

[AndreasShepard]

xac21 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

..Well, that was underwhelming

Ok and that affects the ending how?  I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but if Leviathan just adds more story to explain the star kid then it's just a massive retcon/fix to make the ending fit.  If it adds to EMS then to what end?  The same, then wee.

The Ending is not Changing! I don't know how many times BW has to say it! Many of us simply are happy with more story!

Many are not though.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

xac21 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

..Well, that was underwhelming

Ok and that affects the ending how?  I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but if Leviathan just adds more story to explain the star kid then it's just a massive retcon/fix to make the ending fit.  If it adds to EMS then to what end?  The same, then wee.

The Ending is not Changing! I don't know how many times BW has to say it! Many of us simply are happy with more story!

And yet they added the refuse ending in the EC. Bioware isn't very good at keeping promises.

[xac21]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

xac21 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

..Well, that was underwhelming

Ok and that affects the ending how?  I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but if Leviathan just adds more story to explain the star kid then it's just a massive retcon/fix to make the ending fit.  If it adds to EMS then to what end?  The same, then wee.

The Ending is not Changing! I don't know how many times BW has to say it! Many of us simply are happy with more story!

And yet they added the refuse ending in the EC. Bioware isn't very good at keeping promises.

The refuse ending wasn't know but more of way of showing people that thier misguideed wants/efforts to fight the Reapers would have been futile. 

While I said that I am happy to simply have more story, I wouldn't tie the DLC to the Main Campaign. In fairness to WindfishDude, why sell it as a tool to fight the reapers, when we know that it will not have any "real" impact on the ending. I would love a side story from a different POV away from shepard. Maybe an Ashley story! 

[MegaSovereign]

3DandBeyond wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

..Well, that was underwhelming

Ok and that affects the ending how?  I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but if Leviathan just adds more story to explain the star kid then it's just a massive retcon/fix to make the ending fit.  If it adds to EMS then to what end?  The same, then wee.

Right? 

So that means it affects the ending? What's the problem here?

Were you seriously expecting new endings? Seriously?

It feels like you don't accept the endings as canon and don't want DLC that may make you like the endings as they are. This is sort of ignorant. It's their story, not yours. Let them tell it.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 02 août 2012 - 09:12 .

[Vox Draco]

xac21 wrote...
The refuse ending wasn't know but more of way of showing people that thier misguideed wants/efforts to fight the Reapers would have been futile. 

Yeah, I love that! All our efforts were futile!

...Ahem... Why do I see a problem with that justification for this refusal-middle-finger-ending? *headscratch*

[3DandBeyond]

xac21 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

..Well, that was underwhelming

Ok and that affects the ending how?  I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but if Leviathan just adds more story to explain the star kid then it's just a massive retcon/fix to make the ending fit.  If it adds to EMS then to what end?  The same, then wee.

The Ending is not Changing! I don't know how many times BW has to say it! Many of us simply are happy with more story!

Duh.  I know what they've said.  I also remember when they said a lot of other things that never came true as well.  I believe they won't change the end.  And so what-you don't care that I'm not happy so why should I care that you are.  Actually, the thing is I would never be satisfied if you had made the case that the ending is not what we were supposed to get and that they could minimally do things to at least make it playable.  If you were unhappy I would want them to do something about it.  Many of us wanted at least just one scene to make it somewhat palatable.  If you wanted the same, I'd want you to have that, even if I was already happy.

What I was saying is this DLC makes no sense since it won't change the ending.  I have 9000 EMS.  The Leviathan would be what, a war asset and add 100 TMS points, (guessing)?  And then that's it.  It can kill a reaper.  Ok, so what?  Will it end up being in the game and help to fight the reapers or do anything else?  If not, for many of us it's no sale. 

And just so you know.  I wanted logical endings that fit in the ME "universe" that came before, but I could accept the garbage endings from choices we got that have nothing to do with the choices made in ME1 and 2, if they had at least given us one more positive ending.  It still would have been bad but at least I'd leave it on a less than disgusted note.  I wanted everything from a full loss to sacrifice to a real victory based on decisions from 3 games.  You only have to play ME3 to get these endings.

[xac21]

3DandBeyond wrote...

xac21 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

..Well, that was underwhelming

Ok and that affects the ending how?  I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but if Leviathan just adds more story to explain the star kid then it's just a massive retcon/fix to make the ending fit.  If it adds to EMS then to what end?  The same, then wee.

The Ending is not Changing! I don't know how many times BW has to say it! Many of us simply are happy with more story!

Duh.  I know what they've said.  I also remember when they said a lot of other things that never came true as well.  I believe they won't change the end.  And so what-you don't care that I'm not happy so why should I care that you are.  Actually, the thing is I would never be satisfied if you had made the case that the ending is not what we were supposed to get and that they could minimally do things to at least make it playable.  If you were unhappy I would want them to do something about it.  Many of us wanted at least just one scene to make it somewhat palatable.  If you wanted the same, I'd want you to have that, even if I was already happy.

What I was saying is this DLC makes no sense since it won't change the ending.  I have 9000 EMS.  The Leviathan would be what, a war asset and add 100 TMS points, (guessing)?  And then that's it.  It can kill a reaper.  Ok, so what?  Will it end up being in the game and help to fight the reapers or do anything else?  If not, for many of us it's no sale. 

And just so you know.  I wanted logical endings that fit in the ME "universe" that came before, but I could accept the garbage endings from choices we got that have nothing to do with the choices made in ME1 and 2, if they had at least given us one more positive ending.  It still would have been bad but at least I'd leave it on a less than disgusted note.  I wanted everything from a full loss to sacrifice to a real victory based on decisions from 3 games.  You only have to play ME3 to get these endings.

In my above post I accidentally responded to the wrong perswon instead of you. I agree with some of what you are saying. That is why I wish it would have been a side story, unrelated to shepard. 

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

..Well, that was underwhelming

Ok and that affects the ending how?  I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but if Leviathan just adds more story to explain the star kid then it's just a massive retcon/fix to make the ending fit.  If it adds to EMS then to what end?  The same, then wee.

Right? 

So that means it affects the ending? What's the problem here?

Were you seriously expecting new endings? Seriously?

It feels like you don't accept the endings as canon and don't want DLC that may make you like the endings as they are. This is sort of ignorant. It's their story, not yours. Let them tell it.

Double duh.  Yes I know they aren't making new endings.  But retconning things often makes other things worse.  Or did you miss the evacuation scene on Earth?  Or the pointed statement made about Destroy by the star kid-people would easily be able to repair any damaged tech. 

Let me see.  How many times has BW said there is no canon in ME?  Lots.  Oh and if it's their story then they need ot end it and not say it's ambiguous so people can make their own ending, speculation.

The endings were supposed to develop from our choices in 3 games and you don't even have to play all of ME3 to get those endings.  You don't need to play ME1 or 2 at all.

And I've actually asked them to tell the story-the story of ME, not Deus ex (the 2000 game), not Babylon 5 (Chaos and Order), not the Matrix (inspiration for the endings-on a BW writer's note pad in their Final Hours app).  I wanted them to make an ending that fit with ME, not that was pulled from a bunch of other sources and slapped together.  So now they have to explain it all.  Well, then they need to go back and add content to ME1 and 2 so that 3 makes sense.

And perhaps you missed all that flowery talk they used to use to sell ME to people and to get players to want to play the games.  Casey Hudson in particular was fond of saying the story was as much ours as it was theirs.  I just want a little tiny part of the story I wanted to be shown in the ending.  But they want to make that up.  They refuse to tell it.  Please repeat your sentiment to them.  Ask them to tell their story er, Shepard's story.  And finish it.  Please.

[xac21]

3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

..Well, that was underwhelming

Ok and that affects the ending how?  I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but if Leviathan just adds more story to explain the star kid then it's just a massive retcon/fix to make the ending fit.  If it adds to EMS then to what end?  The same, then wee.

Right? 

So that means it affects the ending? What's the problem here?

Were you seriously expecting new endings? Seriously?

It feels like you don't accept the endings as canon and don't want DLC that may make you like the endings as they are. This is sort of ignorant. It's their story, not yours. Let them tell it.

Double duh.  Yes I know they aren't making new endings.  But retconning things often makes other things worse.  Or did you miss the evacuation scene on Earth?  Or the pointed statement made about Destroy by the star kid-people would easily be able to repair any damaged tech. 

Let me see.  How many times has BW said there is no canon in ME?  Lots.  Oh and if it's their story then they need ot end it and not say it's ambiguous so people can make their own ending, speculation.

The endings were supposed to develop from our choices in 3 games and you don't even have to play all of ME3 to get those endings.  You don't need to play ME1 or 2 at all.

And I've actually asked them to tell the story-the story of ME, not Deus ex (the 2000 game), not Babylon 5 (Chaos and Order), not the Matrix (inspiration for the endings-on a BW writer's note pad in their Final Hours app).  I wanted them to make an ending that fit with ME, not that was pulled from a bunch of other sources and slapped together.  So now they have to explain it all.  Well, then they need to go back and add content to ME1 and 2 so that 3 makes sense.

And perhaps you missed all that flowery talk they used to use to sell ME to people and to get players to want to play the games.  Casey Hudson in particular was fond of saying the story was as much ours as it was theirs.  I just want a little tiny part of the story I wanted to be shown in the ending.  But they want to make that up.  They refuse to tell it.  Please repeat your sentiment to them.  Ask them to tell their story er, Shepard's story.  And finish it.  Please.

I think one of the biggest issues was BW massive goals. I loved all the small touches, like Conrad Verner and other Characters remembering past events, but at the end, our major decisions for the first two games didn't matter. BUT I still loved the game more so that any other. Can anyone name another game that has succeeded in BW stated expectations? (That is a real question)

[3DandBeyond]

xac21 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

xac21 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

..Well, that was underwhelming

Ok and that affects the ending how?  I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but if Leviathan just adds more story to explain the star kid then it's just a massive retcon/fix to make the ending fit.  If it adds to EMS then to what end?  The same, then wee.

The Ending is not Changing! I don't know how many times BW has to say it! Many of us simply are happy with more story!

Duh.  I know what they've said.  I also remember when they said a lot of other things that never came true as well.  I believe they won't change the end.  And so what-you don't care that I'm not happy so why should I care that you are.  Actually, the thing is I would never be satisfied if you had made the case that the ending is not what we were supposed to get and that they could minimally do things to at least make it playable.  If you were unhappy I would want them to do something about it.  Many of us wanted at least just one scene to make it somewhat palatable.  If you wanted the same, I'd want you to have that, even if I was already happy.

What I was saying is this DLC makes no sense since it won't change the ending.  I have 9000 EMS.  The Leviathan would be what, a war asset and add 100 TMS points, (guessing)?  And then that's it.  It can kill a reaper.  Ok, so what?  Will it end up being in the game and help to fight the reapers or do anything else?  If not, for many of us it's no sale. 

And just so you know.  I wanted logical endings that fit in the ME "universe" that came before, but I could accept the garbage endings from choices we got that have nothing to do with the choices made in ME1 and 2, if they had at least given us one more positive ending.  It still would have been bad but at least I'd leave it on a less than disgusted note.  I wanted everything from a full loss to sacrifice to a real victory based on decisions from 3 games.  You only have to play ME3 to get these endings.

In my above post I accidentally responded to the wrong perswon instead of you. I agree with some of what you are saying. That is why I wish it would have been a side story, unrelated to shepard. 

Sorry for the "Duh" there.  I have no problem with anyone being happy with what they got.  I'm glad for them, but people should be worried for a game they love if a large segment of people are not happy with the game.  It may mean a loss of sales which might mean the boss company may see no reason to keep making the series.  Every person you tell to leave or stop talking because they are expressing a wish, is potentially a lost customer.  And that means fewer sales and less of a likelihood you will see more DLC or ME games.  I've seen this happen.

If you want any game title to do well and you see a lot of unhappy people complaining about the game then you should work hard to help make them happy too, not try to drive them off.  That doesn't mean you agree with them but you don't need to antagonize them either.  It isn't helping you.  And I don't mean you personally, @xac21.  I  mean as a general rule.

[xac21]

3DandBeyond wrote...

xac21 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

xac21 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

WindfishDude wrote...

..Well, that was underwhelming

Ok and that affects the ending how?  I know it doesn't matter for a lot of people, but if Leviathan just adds more story to explain the star kid then it's just a massive retcon/fix to make the ending fit.  If it adds to EMS then to what end?  The same, then wee.

The Ending is not Changing! I don't know how many times BW has to say it! Many of us simply are happy with more story!

Duh.  I know what they've said.  I also remember when they said a lot of other things that never came true as well.  I believe they won't change the end.  And so what-you don't care that I'm not happy so why should I care that you are.  Actually, the thing is I would never be satisfied if you had made the case that the ending is not what we were supposed to get and that they could minimally do things to at least make it playable.  If you were unhappy I would want them to do something about it.  Many of us wanted at least just one scene to make it somewhat palatable.  If you wanted the same, I'd want you to have that, even if I was already happy.

What I was saying is this DLC makes no sense since it won't change the ending.  I have 9000 EMS.  The Leviathan would be what, a war asset and add 100 TMS points, (guessing)?  And then that's it.  It can kill a reaper.  Ok, so what?  Will it end up being in the game and help to fight the reapers or do anything else?  If not, for many of us it's no sale. 

And just so you know.  I wanted logical endings that fit in the ME "universe" that came before, but I could accept the garbage endings from choices we got that have nothing to do with the choices made in ME1 and 2, if they had at least given us one more positive ending.  It still would have been bad but at least I'd leave it on a less than disgusted note.  I wanted everything from a full loss to sacrifice to a real victory based on decisions from 3 games.  You only have to play ME3 to get these endings.

In my above post I accidentally responded to the wrong perswon instead of you. I agree with some of what you are saying. That is why I wish it would have been a side story, unrelated to shepard. 

Sorry for the "Duh" there.  I have no problem with anyone being happy with what they got.  I'm glad for them, but people should be worried for a game they love if a large segment of people are not happy with the game.  It may mean a loss of sales which might mean the boss company may see no reason to keep making the series.  Every person you tell to leave or stop talking because they are expressing a wish, is potentially a lost customer.  And that means fewer sales and less of a likelihood you will see more DLC or ME games.  I've seen this happen.

If you want any game title to do well and you see a lot of unhappy people complaining about the game then you should work hard to help make them happy too, not try to drive them off.  That doesn't mean you agree with them but you don't need to antagonize them either.  It isn't helping you.  And I don't mean you personally, @xac21.  I  mean as a general rule.

 


I don't mean to antagonize anyone, but I am sure
I do accidentally.  



I really hope for ME to continue but BW does have
to be cognizant of their promises the next go around. I think many of peoples
complaints seem to be broken promises.



I personally would still enjoy ME if each game had
a specific "Canon", Like Assassin’s Creed (Another SciFi that I love).

[3DandBeyond]

xac21 wrote...

I think one of the biggest issues was BW massive goals. I loved all the small touches, like Conrad Verner and other Characters remembering past events, but at the end, our major decisions for the first two games didn't matter. BUT I still loved the game more so that any other. Can anyone name another game that has succeeded in BW stated expectations? (That is a real question)

No there is no other game quite like ME and that is why I have loved it so.  It was the game I've waited to play in over 30 years of gaming.  It was something very unique.  And that is also why I am so disappointed.  I don't expect all games to end up on happy notes, but ME could have offered variety.  I thought it was sad we'd say goodbye to Shepard, but maybe there would be an ME4 and new stories.  I didn't get to say goodbye to Shepard-I got to say so long to a gasping torso in rubble.  I don't want to play the games again and thought I'd play them all summer and winter long and then some until ME4 came out or DLC that I would have gladly bought. 

All I am saying here is people need to stop telling anyone that hates the endings to go away.  I've seen this before and it isn't good.  It's very bad for the game when you do that.  It drives down profits and games can go away.


I also want Bioware to be aware of what they've squandered.  They had a very loyal fan base-that played ME1-3 and bought all the books and everything.  They messed with that because they wanted new fans.  Nothing wrong with that but don't ignore the other ones.  ME3 can be played as a standalone game.  I've suggested repeatedly they needed to make a comic like Genesis so that ME1 and 2 choices could matter in ME3 so that it wasn't such a standalone game.  Now, I see they are doing that for the WiiU.  Probably intended to all along, but didn't release it for people that only bought ME3 before.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 02 août 2012 - 09:47 .

[xac21]

3DandBeyond wrote...

xac21 wrote...

I think one of the biggest issues was BW massive goals. I loved all the small touches, like Conrad Verner and other Characters remembering past events, but at the end, our major decisions for the first two games didn't matter. BUT I still loved the game more so that any other. Can anyone name another game that has succeeded in BW stated expectations? (That is a real question)

No there is no other game quite like ME and that is why I have loved it so.  It was the game I've waited to play in over 30 years of gaming.  It was something very unique.  And that is also why I am so disappointed.  I don't expect all games to end up on happy notes, but ME could have offered variety.  I thought it was sad we'd say goodbye to Shepard, but maybe there would be an ME4 and new stories.  I didn't get to say goodbye to Shepard-I got to say so long to a gasping torso in rubble.  I don't want to play the games again and thought I'd play them all summer and winter long and then some until ME4 came out or DLC that I would have gladly bought. 

All I am saying here is people need to stop telling anyone that hates the endings to go away.  I've seen this before and it isn't good.  It's very bad for the game when you do that.  It drives down profits and games can go away.


I also want Bioware to be aware of what they've squandered.  They had a very loyal fan base-that played ME1-3 and bought all the books and everything.  They messed with that because they wanted new fans.  Nothing wrong with that but don't ignore the other ones.  ME3 can be played as a standalone game.  I've suggested repeatedly they needed to make a comic like Genesis so that ME1 and 2 choices could matter in ME3 so that it wasn't such a standalone game.  Now, I see they are doing that for the WiiU.  Probably intended to all along, but didn't release it for people that only bought ME3 before.

The Destruction ending was fine with me. The only HUGE negative was losing EDI. That sucked! But then again, on my way to the ending, I killed Wrex, betrayed Mordine...

But I always expected Shapard to die. The fact that he breathes in the ending was a glimmer of hope to believe to have survived.

My cheestasitc ending would have been showing Ashley pregnate with the next generation of Shaperd! That would have sold it for me.  lol

[Commander Castillo]

They didn't say anything about a release date correct?