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[coldflame]

I think it is a good idea to re-buff typhoon and I don't even have one yet. Bioware needs to stop nerfing all the fun classes and weapons.

[LiarasShield]

Yeah people who haven't even acquired the weapon have no right to complain abot it U_U

[Humming]

*shrug*

Destroyer/Typhoon combo is still my favourite on Platinum. If it's not a viable option anymore, people will stop using it, thus making Bioware consider giving it a buff.

Look at the patch notes; what is given a buff? Most it is stuff that no-one is using anyway. What is 'nerfed'? Things that most players use.

I like these changes; having combinations that are clearly better than the other combinations makes for a boring game. I don't want lobbies that only consist of Destroyer/Typhoon or GI/Krysae combos. These 'nerfs' makes sure that someone that does not want to play the powerhouses doesn't get kicked in public lobbies.

Try some new guns. Perhaps you learn how to use them and start to love them? When was the last time you brought your Scorpion or Acolyte? I don't like these weapons, but I play with people who knows how and when to use them.

Also, don't listen to the herd on BSN. Remember when the Particle Rifle came? It was deemed to be the worst gun ever. Oh, so bad it was. It was a joke. But now? People keep posting how much better it is than the Typhoon and since it has a couple of numbers higher than the Typhoon people start using it. Same with Revenant. No-one mentioned this gun before the Typhoon 'nerf'. And that was way before the Typhoon was even released! Now it no longer has any drawbacks since it has a higher DPS than the Typhoon. Same with Harrier. Everyone complained about it needing to be buffed since it had no ammo. No one is complaining about that now since it is so much better than the Typhoon and no longer has any drawbacks.

Sorry for rambling.

tl;dr: Typhoon is OK.

[coldflame]

LiarasShield wrote...

Yeah people who haven't even acquired the weapon have no right to complain abot it U_U

And whoes fault do you think it is? Bioware and their ingenious RNG store. Alright, I'll admit I am a bit bitter, because smash got nerfed this week.

[IrishDeath420]

    The TS somewhat mentioned this already. With the Destroyer on Gold or Platinum you need a high damage output when there is multiple phantoms and or banshees close. Without the ability to move quickly or roll it is so much easier to get insta-killed now.

    They also didn't seem to take into account that now you are spending a lot more time going to get ammo.
    
    Also what about people like me who spent real $ just to aquire this particular weapon.

[LiarasShield]

tcgtqu wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Yeah people who haven't even acquired the weapon have no right to complain abot it U_U

And whoes fault do you think it is? Bioware and their ingenious RNG store. Alright, I'll admit I am a bit bitter, because smash got nerfed this week.

I'm already bitter about the ultra rare typhoon receiving 2 or 3 nerfs that was not required espically when half of the damn community asking them to nerf a ultra rare gun don't even have the gun for whic they're complaining about.

[Friopjofur]

Humming wrote...

*shrug*

Destroyer/Typhoon combo is still my favourite on Platinum. If it's not a viable option anymore, people will stop using it, thus making Bioware consider giving it a buff.

Look at the patch notes; what is given a buff? Most it is stuff that no-one is using anyway. What is 'nerfed'? Things that most players use.

I like these changes; having combinations that are clearly better than the other combinations makes for a boring game. I don't want lobbies that only consist of Destroyer/Typhoon or GI/Krysae combos. These 'nerfs' makes sure that someone that does not want to play the powerhouses doesn't get kicked in public lobbies.

Try some new guns. Perhaps you learn how to use them and start to love them? When was the last time you brought your Scorpion or Acolyte? I don't like these weapons, but I play with people who knows how and when to use them.

Also, don't listen to the herd on BSN. Remember when the Particle Rifle came? It was deemed to be the worst gun ever. Oh, so bad it was. It was a joke. But now? People keep posting how much better it is than the Typhoon and since it has a couple of numbers higher than the Typhoon people start using it. Same with Revenant. No-one mentioned this gun before the Typhoon 'nerf'. And that was way before the Typhoon was even released! Now it no longer has any drawbacks since it has a higher DPS than the Typhoon. Same with Harrier. Everyone complained about it needing to be buffed since it had no ammo. No one is complaining about that now since it is so much better than the Typhoon and no longer has any drawbacks.

Sorry for rambling.

tl;dr: Typhoon is OK.

I can only agree that players should be encouraged to use more weapons.  I do not agree that any popular weapon should be chopped to force players to use others.

[AbhijitSM]

OP make it a official petition ?? I don't think there any official one's yet.

[Transairion]

Also, don't listen to the herd on BSN. Remember when the Particle Rifle came? It was deemed to be the worst gun ever. Oh, so bad it was. It was a joke. But now? People keep posting how much better it is than the Typhoon and since it has a couple of numbers higher than the Typhoon people start using it. Same with Revenant. No-one mentioned this gun before the Typhoon 'nerf'. And that was way before the Typhoon was even released! Now it no longer has any drawbacks since it has a higher DPS than the Typhoon. Same with Harrier. Everyone complained about it needing to be buffed since it had no ammo. No one is complaining about that now since it is so much better than the Typhoon and no longer has any drawbacks.

You forgot to mention that the Typhoon was nerfed (damagewise) in the same balance changes as the PPR was buffed. People got over the Harrier having low ammo, and even when the Typhoon was released with a whole metre of natural penetration, the Harrier was still favourite, considered just as good/better because it still works on classes with cooldowns. Yet the Typhoon got nerfed twice (one logical, the other WTF) and I don't recall every lobby ever being full of Typhoons, though most are full of harriers. Cause of that...

What is 'nerfed'? Things that most players use.

I see the Harrier used the most, but it's not nerfed... yet. At this point I want it nerfed because...






"IF I CAN'T HAVE IT, NOBODY CAN!"

Modifié par Transairion, 02 août 2012 - 01:08 .

[its THAT guy]

I agree with you OP, the Typhoon really needs to be buffed up backed to its pre-nerf status.
.....That said, I don't see Bioware rebuffing this weapon back to its former stats any time soon. Look at other former "great" weapons that got shafted by the nerf bat. Remember the Falcon? The Krysae? Both got nerfed, and nerfed HARD, rendering them nearly useless outside of gimmicky CC situations since they are no longer competitive go-to damage dealing guns. At the very most, we might see either a minor increase in base damage or, as you suggested, a minor increase in the damage modifier, not near 2.0x but probably around the 1.75x range, which sounds reasonable to me. Although they could do nothing and leave the gun as is, in which case none of this calm and reasonable petitioning will do anything. Lol.

[ryoldschool]

Humming wrote...

*shrug*

Destroyer/Typhoon combo is still my favourite on Platinum. If it's not a viable option anymore, people will stop using it, thus making Bioware consider giving it a buff.

Look at the patch notes; what is given a buff? Most it is stuff that no-one is using anyway. What is 'nerfed'? Things that most players use.

I like these changes; having combinations that are clearly better than the other combinations makes for a boring game. I don't want lobbies that only consist of Destroyer/Typhoon or GI/Krysae combos. These 'nerfs' makes sure that someone that does not want to play the powerhouses doesn't get kicked in public lobbies.

Try some new guns. Perhaps you learn how to use them and start to love them? When was the last time you brought your Scorpion or Acolyte? I don't like these weapons, but I play with people who knows how and when to use them.

Also, don't listen to the herd on BSN. Remember when the Particle Rifle came? It was deemed to be the worst gun ever. Oh, so bad it was. It was a joke. But now? People keep posting how much better it is than the Typhoon and since it has a couple of numbers higher than the Typhoon people start using it. Same with Revenant. No-one mentioned this gun before the Typhoon 'nerf'. And that was way before the Typhoon was even released! Now it no longer has any drawbacks since it has a higher DPS than the Typhoon. Same with Harrier. Everyone complained about it needing to be buffed since it had no ammo. No one is complaining about that now since it is so much better than the Typhoon and no longer has any drawbacks.

Sorry for rambling.

tl;dr: Typhoon is OK.

lol, its only been out two weeks and a lot of people don't have it yet.  Now the weapon you have ( Typhoon I )  is outclassed by your Revenant X.   Typhoon should be a lot better than just "Ok", for an ultra rare ( and it was before the nerf ).


Edit: Also the harrier is ok now that the demolisher has build in ammo supply.  I used the revenant all the time before the Typhoon came out and it was an upgrade, now it is not.

Modifié par ryoldschool, 02 août 2012 - 01:21 .

[chielhier313]

You sir, are THE MAN!! Perfectly said and completley true.
Finally there`s a decent soldier with a decent assault rifle and everybody(who`s get outscored) starts complaining??
At first you needed a adept or sorts with biotic explosions or an infiltrator with a (black)widow to be valuable in gold.
So buff the typhoon back to what it was and buff the ex-wife

[AbhijitSM]

ryoldschool wrote...

Humming wrote...

*shrug*

Destroyer/Typhoon combo is still my favourite on Platinum. If it's not a viable option anymore, people will stop using it, thus making Bioware consider giving it a buff.

Look at the patch notes; what is given a buff? Most it is stuff that no-one is using anyway. What is 'nerfed'? Things that most players use.

I like these changes; having combinations that are clearly better than the other combinations makes for a boring game. I don't want lobbies that only consist of Destroyer/Typhoon or GI/Krysae combos. These 'nerfs' makes sure that someone that does not want to play the powerhouses doesn't get kicked in public lobbies.

Try some new guns. Perhaps you learn how to use them and start to love them? When was the last time you brought your Scorpion or Acolyte? I don't like these weapons, but I play with people who knows how and when to use them.

Also, don't listen to the herd on BSN. Remember when the Particle Rifle came? It was deemed to be the worst gun ever. Oh, so bad it was. It was a joke. But now? People keep posting how much better it is than the Typhoon and since it has a couple of numbers higher than the Typhoon people start using it. Same with Revenant. No-one mentioned this gun before the Typhoon 'nerf'. And that was way before the Typhoon was even released! Now it no longer has any drawbacks since it has a higher DPS than the Typhoon. Same with Harrier. Everyone complained about it needing to be buffed since it had no ammo. No one is complaining about that now since it is so much better than the Typhoon and no longer has any drawbacks.

Sorry for rambling.

tl;dr: Typhoon is OK.

lol, its only been out two weeks and a lot of people don't have it yet.  Now the weapon you have ( Typhoon I )  is outclassed by your Revenant X.   Typhoon should be a lot better than just "Ok", for an ultra rare ( and it was before the nerf ).

Just to add to it that i have the lvl X Typhoon & it is just a little bit better than the revenant overall which is a definitely underwhelming for an UR which is 10 times harder to get. I have tried both guns after the nerf on gold & the typhoon is "just a small bit" better than the revenant for its accuracy & clipsize.

[AbhijitSM]

edit : double post

Modifié par AbhijitSM, 02 août 2012 - 01:26 .

[Kidnapper]

Bump cause im getting tired of stupid nerfs. Shooting less bullets for less
Damage(devestator mode nerf and typhoon nerfs). Oddly enough, before the balance I seen more pirrahna users but lets nerf the UR...c'mon son.

[Devil34121]

I'm still using my Typhoon IV on Gold/Platinum with my Destroyer... still killing enemies like its a bronze game.


EDIT: You should use a Barrage Gear Mod and a thermal clip on your Typhoon as a Destroyer. More bullets = more damage without reloading.

Modifié par Devil34121, 02 août 2012 - 01:31 .

[WickedTruth 823]

what if they take the ramp up damage multiplier from 1.50 to a 1.75??? Cut the nerf in half...

[ryoldschool]

AbhijitSM wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

Humming wrote...

*shrug*

Destroyer/Typhoon combo is still my favourite on Platinum. If it's not a viable option anymore, people will stop using it, thus making Bioware consider giving it a buff.

Look at the patch notes; what is given a buff? Most it is stuff that no-one is using anyway. What is 'nerfed'? Things that most players use.

I like these changes; having combinations that are clearly better than the other combinations makes for a boring game. I don't want lobbies that only consist of Destroyer/Typhoon or GI/Krysae combos. These 'nerfs' makes sure that someone that does not want to play the powerhouses doesn't get kicked in public lobbies.

Try some new guns. Perhaps you learn how to use them and start to love them? When was the last time you brought your Scorpion or Acolyte? I don't like these weapons, but I play with people who knows how and when to use them.

Also, don't listen to the herd on BSN. Remember when the Particle Rifle came? It was deemed to be the worst gun ever. Oh, so bad it was. It was a joke. But now? People keep posting how much better it is than the Typhoon and since it has a couple of numbers higher than the Typhoon people start using it. Same with Revenant. No-one mentioned this gun before the Typhoon 'nerf'. And that was way before the Typhoon was even released! Now it no longer has any drawbacks since it has a higher DPS than the Typhoon. Same with Harrier. Everyone complained about it needing to be buffed since it had no ammo. No one is complaining about that now since it is so much better than the Typhoon and no longer has any drawbacks.

Sorry for rambling.

tl;dr: Typhoon is OK.

lol, its only been out two weeks and a lot of people don't have it yet.  Now the weapon you have ( Typhoon I )  is outclassed by your Revenant X.   Typhoon should be a lot better than just "Ok", for an ultra rare ( and it was before the nerf ).

Just to add to it that i have the lvl X Typhoon & it is just a little bit better than the revenant overall which is a definitely underwhelming for an UR which is 10 times harder to get. I have tried both guns after the nerf on gold & the typhoon is "just a small bit" better than the revenant for its accuracy & clipsize.

Yes, thanks for posting that.  The gun should be a lot better than the Revenant.  You have it at X, then the nerf hurts you twice as much as me.

[Kaizer88]

Good post. The Typhoon nerf was stupid, as I saw top platinum players prefer using cerberus harriers over Typhoons on their destroyers even BEFORE the nerf.

Really though, what were they thinking? leaving the piranha alone, but nerfing the typhoon...

[ryoldschool]

Devil34121 wrote...

I'm still using my Typhoon IV on Gold/Platinum with my Destroyer... still killing enemies like its a bronze game.


EDIT: You should use a Barrage Gear Mod and a thermal clip on your Typhoon as a Destroyer. More bullets = more damage without reloading.

Have you compared that setup to using the Revenant X?  Likely you will do better.  No ramp up time required.


Edit: btw I did try the Barrage V with ammo clip on Destroyer with Tyhoon V, and you still have the ramp up problem, and when you switch targets.

Modifié par ryoldschool, 02 août 2012 - 01:34 .

[a-karpen]

So, how about an official petition based on this thread?

[BoomDynamite]

ryoldschool wrote...

SuperTacoKing wrote...

After playing with it some more, the nerf is noticeable. Still a good gun, but I'd like even a little buff.

In Boom Dynamite's thread comparing it to the Revenant

After the nerf a Typhoon V is close to the Revenant X, but 

(1) Typhoon has about a two second time when it ramps up to get up to about the same damage, during which time the revenant X does more damage.
(2) Typhoon has more recoil, but more accurate.   ??? 
(3) If you get staggered or stop shooting to switch targets the ramp up process starts up again

so a Typhoon V was a lot better, now where is the reward for enduring the ramp up period?

And yes, I really noticed the difference when playing pre and post nerf on a demolisher.  I have switched my build to use the harrier.


Edit: fixed link

About that charge up time, the damage kicks in after 1.5 seconds. I keep on getting different info on that, but this is the official answer.

[Devil34121]

ryoldschool wrote...

Devil34121 wrote...

I'm still using my Typhoon IV on Gold/Platinum with my Destroyer... still killing enemies like its a bronze game.


EDIT: You should use a Barrage Gear Mod and a thermal clip on your Typhoon as a Destroyer. More bullets = more damage without reloading.

Have you compared that setup to using the Revenant X?  Likely you will do better.  No ramp up time required.

Yeah I did... actually the Revenant X is better in killing Troopers. But overall the Typhoon still does more dmg because of RoF combined with Devastor Mode.


EDIT: If you switch the target you shouldn't stop firing... just aim as fast as possible to your next target. I'm playing on PC so this isn't a problem for me.

Modifié par Devil34121, 02 août 2012 - 01:37 .

[Rifneno]

Transairion wrote...

Now that's just silly. The dinosaur is flying an F-15 Eagle. Why not an F-22 Raptor? It's a dinosaur!

Humming wrote...

Destroyer/Typhoon combo is still my favourite on Platinum. If it's not a viable option anymore, people will stop using it, thus making Bioware consider giving it a buff.

Where is your proof on this? Where is the time they've said "okay we nerfed it too hard, we can see nobody uses it now so here's a buff"? And I don't mean giving the falcon a damage buff a month later, that thing was never about dps anyway. The vindicator maybe? That only took 4 months to return to its vanilla state. Not much of a case if you ask me.

OP: Excellent post. 3 thumbs up. ... What? I lived under power lines as a kid. ... DON'T JUDGE ME!

[Gamemako]

Terminus Echoes wrote...

The harrier is nice and balanced.

1200 DPS with good accuracy at long range being balanced. That's rich. A Harrier is basically an equal-level Hurricane with slightly lower burst and slightly higher sustained DPS and excellent range. Beating out the promotional N7 weapon that can't be maxed? No thanks.

Getting back to the OP...

(1) Bronze is not relevant, but nobody has to consider Bronze anyway. I still use the Typhoon on Platinum and outscore my mates.

(2) The GPSMG has the disadvantage of terrible damage output. The Typhoon has no such weakness. The gun is highly accurate and damaging at any range and has a built-in AP mod to boot. The GPSMG ramps up from terrible DPS to still-really-bad DPS; the Typhoon goes from decent to aerial bombardment.

(3) That's just plain ridiculous. If a level I UR beats a level X Rare, there is a bare minimum of 144% power increase as you move up in class. That all makes all weapons fully obsolete the second you get a level I of the next tier and makes it completely impossible to balance classes since weapon effectiveness determines the effectiveness of weapon classes. The difference between tiers needs to be small, and URs just need to start out closer to their max to deal with the extreme difficulty in leveling them at this time (BW has already made this change with regard to the weights of many of them).

Also, the Particle Rifle is an ultra-rare and is still pretty crappy. Needs more buffs!

(4) Not relevant at all. The Typhoon can STILL (post-nerf) wipe the floor with a PLATINUM Banshee before she comes within range of doing anything at all. One clip is all you need. Even if you miss, she'll lose her charge from the fire of one weapon and be left harmlessly milling about halfway across the map from the gunner. Brutes? Neutered. Atlas mechs? Only opponent on Platinum that takes more than a clip, but it shreds them in due course. The Typhoon is a relentless boss-murdering machine that also happens to be ideal for mutilating various mooks like pyros, guardians, and hunters.

(5) More or less, yes. The Destroyer is a class, the Typhoon is a weapon. If the Typhoon needs a nerf, that's independent of what the Destroyer can do. The main issue with the Destroyer is that it highlights how lackluster the original 3 Soldiers are. <_<