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[gao gao]

i don't buy this theory. here is my theory, i call it the bioware is crap theory.

so basically, bioware is really bad at making games these days, and all of you just can't handle this fact. so you spend time writing long theories about a beloved game, simply because the reality of the bad ending is too great. this is your waking nightmare.

[Onpoint17]

Sadly I don't think this game is as deep as some of you think. I think EC only confirmed how badly written the ending originally was. It seems the writers want us to take this game literally which is unfortunate. This game could be so much more if they'd let go of their artistic integrity and make a real video game where the player can actually win. Ive never played a game as depressing and emotionally heart-breaking as this one. As it is now I'm nominating ME3 for the most disappointing game of the year.

[TJBartlemus]

gao gao wrote...

i don't buy this theory. here is my theory, i call it the bioware is crap theory.

so basically, bioware is really bad at making games these days, and all of you just can't handle this fact. so you spend time writing long theories about a beloved game, simply because the reality of the bad ending is too great. this is your waking nightmare.

Well I am sorry you feel this way. I truely do. And it's not that you don't believe in the theory, it's cause you just hate the game it self. So if you hate the game why are you even in the ME3 forum? Just to troll everyone to your pleasure?

[gao gao]

TJBartlemus wrote...

gao gao wrote...

i don't buy this theory. here is my theory, i call it the bioware is crap theory.

so basically, bioware is really bad at making games these days, and all of you just can't handle this fact. so you spend time writing long theories about a beloved game, simply because the reality of the bad ending is too great. this is your waking nightmare.

Well I am sorry you feel this way. I truely do. And it's not that you don't believe in the theory, it's cause you just hate the game it self. So if you hate the game why are you even in the ME3 forum? Just to troll everyone to your pleasure?

ask yourself the same question? why are you here? why are you writing this garbage?

[Alienboy411676]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Alienboy411676 wrote...
They didn't happen.  It's a game.  It's not real.  So why would it matter if they came out and said Sheperd was in a coma since ME1?  It's not like it means your gameplay wasn't real.  You still got your gameplay out of the game, which is the point of a game.  All it would mean is that a story that is already fiction is a fiction within a fiction.  Meh.

Of course I know it's a game. If they said he was in a coma that would mean all that we have done in the story so far wouldn't have occured. Meaning that Sovereign was never killed, the collectors were never stopped and the reaper invasion has yet to happen. No. I don't think so. Not even Shepard's mind is that creative to make all that happen while in a coma. 

It doesn't have to be created by Sheperd's mind.  In a way, it would make sense.  They could say the Prothean beacon Sheperd originally encountered on Eden Prime was not only a warning of the Reapers but intentionally put her into a coma and created an experience in her dreams of her defeating the Reapers, thereby showing her how.  That way when she wakes up she can tell everybody about the Crucible and they can get the plans from Mars, build it, and take care of the reapers before Sovereign even makes it to the Citadel.  Shoot, it's almost a better ending than one we got, lol.

[TJBartlemus]

gao gao wrote...

ask yourself the same question? why are you here? why are you writing this garbage?

Why am I here? Cause unlike you I liked the game and the ending. The reason I wrote it was cause it was a fascinating idea to me. If you don't like it then just go somewhere else. <_<

[TJBartlemus]

Alienboy411676 wrote...

It doesn't have to be created by Sheperd's mind.  In a way, it would make sense.  They could say the Prothean beacon Sheperd originally encountered on Eden Prime was not only a warning of the Reapers but intentionally put her into a coma and created an experience in her dreams of her defeating the Reapers, thereby showing her how.  That way when she wakes up she can tell everybody about the Crucible and they can get the plans from Mars, build it, and take care of the reapers before Sovereign even makes it to the Citadel.  Shoot, it's almost a better ending than one we got, lol.

Okay, say it was a warning by the beacon. Why would it go into every other detail along with the events of the end? Why waste the time and why not just instead skip all that by telling about the Crucible? 

[mmmu]

Cool stuff. I'm liking the premise of your theory. Really enjoy people coming up with these different theories, good read.

[TJBartlemus]

mmmu wrote...

Cool stuff. I'm liking the premise of your theory. Really enjoy people coming up with these different theories, good read.

I appreciate that. Thanks!!! 

[gao gao]

TJBartlemus wrote...

gao gao wrote...

ask yourself the same question? why are you here? why are you writing this garbage?

Why am I here? Cause unlike you I liked the game and the ending. The reason I wrote it was cause it was a fascinating idea to me. If you don't like it then just go somewhere else. <_<

haha, you liked the ending.

[TJBartlemus]

gao gao wrote...

haha, you liked the ending.

Okay....that it?  

[Alienboy411676]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Alienboy411676 wrote...

It doesn't have to be created by Sheperd's mind.  In a way, it would make sense.  They could say the Prothean beacon Sheperd originally encountered on Eden Prime was not only a warning of the Reapers but intentionally put her into a coma and created an experience in her dreams of her defeating the Reapers, thereby showing her how.  That way when she wakes up she can tell everybody about the Crucible and they can get the plans from Mars, build it, and take care of the reapers before Sovereign even makes it to the Citadel.  Shoot, it's almost a better ending than one we got, lol.

Okay, say it was a warning by the beacon. Why would it go into every other detail along with the events of the end? Why waste the time and why not just instead skip all that by telling about the Crucible? 

To give her the knowledge and experience she needs to make a thoughtful decision between destroy, control, and synthesis.  

[TJBartlemus]

Alienboy411676 wrote...

To give her the knowledge and experience she needs to make a thoughtful decision between destroy, control, and synthesis.  

But wouldn't that seem like a giant waste of time? Also wouldn't a vision of the future be more effective?

[Alienboy411676]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Alienboy411676 wrote...

To give her the knowledge and experience she needs to make a thoughtful decision between destroy, control, and synthesis.  

But wouldn't that seem like a giant waste of time? Also wouldn't a vision of the future be more effective?

Not really.  When ME1 begins Sheperd is just a soldier who was only thought of as a hero because of one single mission she did prior to ME1.  If the beacon gave her the experience and knowledge of meeting the Krogan, Turians, Asari, Batarians etc, etc, her experiences with the Reapers, curing the genophage, experiencing the Quarian and Geth conflict...all of that stuff would help a previously inexperienced Sheperd make a more thoughtful, informed, and intelligible decision about how to handle the Reapers, and in turn effect all of the aliens races it gave her experiences with.

[paxxton]

TJBartlemus wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Only the indoctrinated will deny indoctrination.

True. 

Heh.

[TJBartlemus]

Alienboy411676 wrote...

Not really.  When ME1 begins Sheperd is just a soldier who was only thought of as a hero because of one single mission she did prior to ME1.  If the beacon gave her the experience and knowledge of meeting the Krogan, Turians, Asari, Batarians etc, etc, her experiences with the Reapers, curing the genophage, experiencing the Quarian and Geth conflict...all of that stuff would help a previously inexperienced Sheperd make a more thoughtful, informed, and intelligible decision about how to handle the Reapers, and in turn effect all of the aliens races it gave her experiences with.

So you are saying that the beacon created a simulation or a message? No message could be that accurate in the details. Just saying...

[Dr. Megaverse]

gao gao wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

gao gao wrote...

i don't buy this theory. here is my theory, i call it the bioware is crap theory.

so basically, bioware is really bad at making games these days, and all of you just can't handle this fact. so you spend time writing long theories about a beloved game, simply because the reality of the bad ending is too great. this is your waking nightmare.

Well I am sorry you feel this way. I truely do. And it's not that you don't believe in the theory, it's cause you just hate the game it self. So if you hate the game why are you even in the ME3 forum? Just to troll everyone to your pleasure?

ask yourself the same question? why are you here? why are you writing this garbage?

Reported. This comment serves only to cause hurt, not further discussion. 

[Alienboy411676]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Alienboy411676 wrote...

Not really.  When ME1 begins Sheperd is just a soldier who was only thought of as a hero because of one single mission she did prior to ME1.  If the beacon gave her the experience and knowledge of meeting the Krogan, Turians, Asari, Batarians etc, etc, her experiences with the Reapers, curing the genophage, experiencing the Quarian and Geth conflict...all of that stuff would help a previously inexperienced Sheperd make a more thoughtful, informed, and intelligible decision about how to handle the Reapers, and in turn effect all of the aliens races it gave her experiences with.

So you are saying that the beacon created a simulation or a message? No message could be that accurate in the details. Just saying...

No, not a message.  A simulation would be accurate.  

[TJBartlemus]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

Reported. This comment serves only to cause hurt, not further discussion. 

If it was his intention to cause hurt, I do believe it failed. I did not report him myself cause I gave him a chance to correct his mistake. Unfortunately for him, he didn't. 

[TJBartlemus]

Alienboy411676 wrote...

No, not a message.  A simulation would be accurate.  

Okay, say that was true. When Shepard woke up what would happen then? Since it was a simulation, then it cannot be assumed that everything would happen the same as it did.

[Alienboy411676]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Alienboy411676 wrote...

No, not a message.  A simulation would be accurate.  

Okay, say that was true. When Shepard woke up what would happen then? Since it was a simulation, then it cannot be assumed that everything would happen the same as it did.

No, they wouldn't happen the same as they did in the simulation, but you'd have the important information you needed, like the crucible plans are in Mars, begin construction, take it to the Citadel, stop the Reapers.  In the mean time, they send a fleet to secure the Conduit so they don't even have to worry about Sovereign.  With the experience Sheperd has from the simulation, she could go to the Citadel where the Crucible is docked and make an informed, intelligible decision on how to handle the Reapers, maybe even have the council and ambassadors of the other races there to discuss it and make an even more informed decision.  With Sheperd's experience from the simulation she could virtually represent a lot of the non-council races who don't have ambassadors there, like the Quarians, Geth, Krogan etc.  

[TJBartlemus]

Alienboy411676 wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Alienboy411676 wrote...

No, not a message.  A simulation would be accurate.  

Okay, say that was true. When Shepard woke up what would happen then? Since it was a simulation, then it cannot be assumed that everything would happen the same as it did.

No, they wouldn't happen the same as they did in the simulation, but you'd have the important information you needed, like the crucible plans are in Mars, begin construction, take it to the Citadel, stop the Reapers.  In the mean time, they send a fleet to secure the Conduit so they don't even have to worry about Sovereign.  With the experience Sheperd has from the simulation, she could go to the Citadel where the Crucible is docked and make an informed, intelligible decision on how to handle the Reapers, maybe even have the council and ambassadors of the other races there to discuss it and make an even more informed decision.  With Sheperd's experience from the simulation she could virtually represent a lot of the non-council races who don't have ambassadors there, like the Quarians, Geth, Krogan etc.  

Sorry but that wouldn't happen. Shepard may be more experianced but no one knows or trusts him yet. It would be as effective as warning about the Reapers again. Besides it took months to build the Crucible and that was with the entire galaxy sending support to build it. Pre-Invasion of Reapers no one would believe or do what Shepard says. 

[jasonh10]

So what do you think might actually be happening in reality in the starbrat scene? It would make sense (well, in a way) if when he's talking to the starbrat, that this is a mix of reality and a bit of hallucination, dream, or whatnot. You have real world representations with the beam, tree reflections, the Mako-like platform, and the basic layout. Instead of having control levers, synthesis beam and the destroy tube in front of you, in reality there is only nothing, the conduit, and Harbinger. Heading for the control option gets you nothing but an indoctrinated mind, the synthesis beam possibly gets you something along the lines of a Saren "upgrade," and shooting the destroy tube is actually shooting Harbinger.

But then what blows up when you shoot him? Or is that just him saying, 'well, he didn't fall for it. I tried.' And then he zaps Shepard. Doesn't really seem like Shepard should be able to live in that scenario though. Seems like Harby could easily kill Shep if he wanted.

I guess what I'm asking is, what do you think Shepard is actually doing in reality during the decision chamber scene? Is he up doing stuff, or is he just lying there semi-conscious and somewhat aware of his surroundings, and all of this is actually playing out in his head?

[TJBartlemus]

jasonh10 wrote...

So what do you think might actually be happening in reality in the starbrat scene? It would make sense (well, in a way) if when he's talking to the starbrat, that this is a mix of reality and a bit of hallucination, dream, or whatnot. You have real world representations with the beam, tree reflections, the Mako-like platform, and the basic layout. Instead of having control levers, synthesis beam and the destroy tube in front of you, in reality there is only nothing, the conduit, and Harbinger. Heading for the control option gets you nothing but an indoctrinated mind, the synthesis beam possibly gets you something along the lines of a Saren "upgrade," and shooting the destroy tube is actually shooting Harbinger.

But then what blows up when you shoot him? Or is that just him saying, 'well, he didn't fall for it. I tried.' And then he zaps Shepard. Doesn't really seem like Shepard should be able to live in that scenario though. Seems like Harby could easily kill Shep if he wanted.

I guess what I'm asking is, what do you think Shepard is actually doing in reality during the decision chamber scene? Is he up doing stuff, or is he just lying there semi-conscious and somewhat aware of his surroundings, and all of this is actually playing out in his head?

I would believe that Shepard is up doing stuff. This way the choices you make really do count but what you see may not be exactly what you think. 

[jasonh10]

See, I think this isn't the end of the war with the reapers. I think it may be the end of Shepard's story, but the war will continue, either by the crucible being a dud, hoax, trap or they just fail to implement it. My reasoning for this is $$$. I honestly don't see how they can have Mass Effect without Shepard and the reapers. They could probably afford to lose one or the other, but not both. They have such a well crafted universe I'm sure they don't want to give that up. And while I'm sure a lot of the hard core fans would stick around for a post-reaper universe, I'm not sure 'Mass Effect 4: The Turians Rebuild' would garner nearly as much interest.

And while they explicitly stated that this would be the end of Shepard's story many times, to my knowledge they never said that it would definitely be the end of the reaper threat. I know they said something about there wouldn't be an 'abc' ending or something, but that in no way means it will actually end. But if I'm right, Shepard has to die. Otherwise, he'll continue to fight in some capacity and his story isn't over. Although they could bring him back for one more game...

But I'm rambling and off topic, and probably 100% wrong anyway lol. I know Inception has been heavily discussed here, and I think the comparison is legitimate. Where in it, they use dreams inside of dreams and such, and they may have done the same thing here. He was fully conscious, then zapped by Harby, bam, first dream state. He shoots husks and has the epic battle with Marauder Shields in a half dream/half reality, then jumps in the beam. Only I think he's only partially awake and he never even gets up. He arrives on the Citadel but this is all in his head in the next dream state. The magic elevator ride is him returning to the half dream, and that all plays out in his head.

Sorry that this repeats much of what you've been saying. It just helps me articulate my thoughts to write it all out like this. Of course, if he is up and doing stuff, then that means he's actually activating the Crucible and the game actually ends, and all we need is more info for clarity on what happened. If it's all in his head, then the crucible is waiting on the Citadel, and nothing is actually accomplished. The story is still ongoing and unfinished.

To be honest, my thoughts on this change daily. Of one thing I am finally 100% certain, though: this isn't just a case of poor writing. There's much more going on than just a literal interpretation.

Modifié par jasonh10, 09 août 2012 - 06:26 .