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[spotlessvoid]

I can't find a link that isn't the whole clip, bit I'm 99 9% sure that's what he said

[Davik Kang]

Ok. For now not sure, I'll have a think about it.

Btw the posts in the other forum are LONG, but I did try to summarise what I thought for TJB on the previous page of this thread.

To be clear, not for a moment do I actually expect to change your minds or convince you of anything. It's completely plausible that in the end I'll come around to your way of thinking, like Doomsday said (foreshadowed SORRY I COULDN'T HELP IT) I would.

But you've all been very helpful so far, and, so long as it isn't boring you, I do want to hear your objections to what I'm thinking at the moment.

[ElSuperGecko]

I originally posted this in the Indoctrination Theory thread, but thought it may be interesting to discuss here as well.  Does anyone have any thoughts on Shepard's "waking up" reactions, and the fact that the reaction following the nightmare sequences is very comparable to Shep's reaction on "waking up" from various hallucination/visions and the survival in the high EMS ending?

I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has picked up on this, and thoughts with how it could tie in to Shepard potentially succumbing to indoctrination throughout the game...

ivenoidea wrote...
That sound when shepard wakes up from the hallucination induced by leviathan reminds me of the odd sound shepard makes while "waking up" on the citadel.

Yep, the similarity is definitely there. And it's not the only time we see something similar to this, either. Ever noticed that the gasping intake of breath Shepard takes in the the high EMS Destroy ending is also identical to the gasping intake of breath Shep takes after waking from each of the dream sequences?

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...
I thought he only gasps after the first dream? The second dream cuts to the random hologram and the third goes to LI conversation.

Here's the revelvant sequences, and Shepard's reaction upon from waking from every nightmare...

First Dream Sequence: (1:40)

Second Dream sequence: (1:50)

Third Dream sequence: (1:05) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNxOGOrJ6L4&t=1m5s

Following Leviathan Conversation (08:35) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwTPQxxDpa4&t=8m35s

Extended Cut Arrival on the Citadel: (6:05) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKtuNkjYkjk&t=6m5s

Shepard Breathes Ending: (5:40) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JWSBbO-Ec8&t=5m40s

...now, it could be just a coincidence, but pretty much every time Shepard "wakes" from a nightmare, vision or hallucination, (s)he does so with an audible gasp for breath. And (s)he does it in the high EMS "breath" ending. And after EC, he does it when regaining conciousness after being transported up to the Citadel, and he does it after the vision with the Leviathan now as well. It's something to be aware of, I think.

[Davik Kang]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Extended Cut Arrival on the Citadel: (6:05)

...now, it could be just a coincidence, but pretty much every time Shepard "wakes" from a nightmare, vision or hallucination, (s)he does so with an audible gasp for breath. And (s)he does it in the high EMS "breath" ending. And after EC, he does it when regaining conciousness after being transported up to the Citadel, and he does it after the vision with the Leviathan now as well. It's something to be aware of, I think.

Well, that could be support for the idea that Shep genuinely wakes up on the Citadel

[Dwailing]

Davik Kang wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Extended Cut Arrival on the Citadel: (6:05)

...now, it could be just a coincidence, but pretty much every time Shepard "wakes" from a nightmare, vision or hallucination, (s)he does so with an audible gasp for breath. And (s)he does it in the high EMS "breath" ending. And after EC, he does it when regaining conciousness after being transported up to the Citadel, and he does it after the vision with the Leviathan now as well. It's something to be aware of, I think.

Well, that could be support for the idea that Shep genuinely wakes up on the Citadel

Interestingly enough, Shepard does NOT make an audible gasp of breath on the Citadel.  He makes one when waking up from all the dreams, but not one when he "awakens" on the Citadel.  However, he DOES make one in the breath scene (Hence the name).  And as far as I can tell, the breath that he takes in the breath scene is the same kind of breath that he takes when waking up from the dreams.  Huh... 

P.S.  The sound you were probably thinking of is that sound that plays right after you hear "Anderson" say, "Shepard."  That's not the sound of a breath.  That's actually closer to the sound that plays during the flashes between sections of the Prothean visions in ME1 and ME2.  And I believe it is VERY similar, if not identical, to the sound that plays when Shepard's mind is released by the Leviathans.

[TJBartlemus]

Dwailing wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Extended Cut Arrival on the Citadel: (6:05)

...now, it could be just a coincidence, but pretty much every time Shepard "wakes" from a nightmare, vision or hallucination, (s)he does so with an audible gasp for breath. And (s)he does it in the high EMS "breath" ending. And after EC, he does it when regaining conciousness after being transported up to the Citadel, and he does it after the vision with the Leviathan now as well. It's something to be aware of, I think.

Well, that could be support for the idea that Shep genuinely wakes up on the Citadel

Interestingly enough, Shepard does NOT make an audible gasp of breath on the Citadel.  He makes one when waking up from all the dreams, but not one when he "awakens" on the Citadel.  However, he DOES make one in the breath scene (Hence the name).  And as far as I can tell, the breath that he takes in the breath scene is the same kind of breath that he takes when waking up from the dreams.  Huh... 

P.S.  The sound you were probably thinking of is that sound that plays right after you hear "Anderson" say, "Shepard."  That's not the sound of a breath.  That's actually closer to the sound that plays during the flashes between sections of the Prothean visions in ME1 and ME2.  And I believe it is VERY similar, if not identical, to the sound that plays when Shepard's mind is released by the Leviathans.

http://t0.gstatic.co...GQrFjywG6TlX_a 

[applause] I never actually connected that together...full brownie points to you sir!!!! [/applause]

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 01 octobre 2012 - 03:04 .

[Dwailing]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Extended Cut Arrival on the Citadel: (6:05)

...now, it could be just a coincidence, but pretty much every time Shepard "wakes" from a nightmare, vision or hallucination, (s)he does so with an audible gasp for breath. And (s)he does it in the high EMS "breath" ending. And after EC, he does it when regaining conciousness after being transported up to the Citadel, and he does it after the vision with the Leviathan now as well. It's something to be aware of, I think.

Well, that could be support for the idea that Shep genuinely wakes up on the Citadel

Interestingly enough, Shepard does NOT make an audible gasp of breath on the Citadel.  He makes one when waking up from all the dreams, but not one when he "awakens" on the Citadel.  However, he DOES make one in the breath scene (Hence the name).  And as far as I can tell, the breath that he takes in the breath scene is the same kind of breath that he takes when waking up from the dreams.  Huh... 

P.S.  The sound you were probably thinking of is that sound that plays right after you hear "Anderson" say, "Shepard."  That's not the sound of a breath.  That's actually closer to the sound that plays during the flashes between sections of the Prothean visions in ME1 and ME2.  And I believe it is VERY similar, if not identical, to the sound that plays when Shepard's mind is released by the Leviathans.

http://t0.gstatic.co...GQrFjywG6TlX_a 

[applause] I never actually connected that together...full brownie points to you sir!!!! [/applause]

Ah, The Twilight Zone.  I love that show.  And I must say, IT, WNT, etc. all seem like something straight out of that show, in many ways.

Edit: Can't believe I didn't add this sooner: 

Modifié par Dwailing, 01 octobre 2012 - 03:11 .

[TJBartlemus]

Dwailing wrote...

Ah, The Twilight Zone.  I love that show.  And I must say, IT, WNT, etc. all seem like something straight out of that show, in many ways.

Edit: Can't believe I didn't add this sooner: 

The Twilight Zone is certainly a classic. 

[Dwailing]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Ah, The Twilight Zone.  I love that show.  And I must say, IT, WNT, etc. all seem like something straight out of that show, in many ways.

Edit: Can't believe I didn't add this sooner: 

The Twilight Zone is certainly a classic. 

Most definitely.  Did you know that William Shatner wasn't the only Star Trek star to appear on it?  Yeah, Leonard Nemoy was on it in one episode.

[Dwailing]

Well I'll be darned! Guess what just came on the TV? *Twilight Zone Theme*

[TJBartlemus]

Dwailing wrote...

Well I'll be darned! Guess what just came on the TV? *Twilight Zone Theme*

[TJBartlemus]

It's sorta interesting...almost no trolls (save 1) have ever come and posted in this thread. What's better is that troll was quickly shot down and looked foolish. Even better no one in any thread has given viable proof that disproves or has even tried to disprove the WNT. Pretty impressive I have to say. The WNT is rock solid.

Plus I feel this post deserves one of these:

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 01 octobre 2012 - 11:59 .

[TJBartlemus]

 

Logo by Ashtrails...hope this inspires more people to make logos themselves!!!

http://ashtrails.dev...t.com/#/d5gszlq

[spotlessvoid]

How did I know this is where that link would lead me lol. Nice logo Ashtrails

[TJBartlemus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

How did I know this is where that link would lead me lol. Nice logo Ashtrails

Nothing wrong w/ a little self promotion.... 

[TJBartlemus]

So what is the general opinion of the new MP DLC Retaliation? Also this post was made in the IT thread. 

TSA_383 wrote...

Vibez wrote...

TSA, have you found anything in soundfiles too?

Haven't looked, although someone just turned up this on pastebin:

"Mass Effect 3 Omega DLC Spoilers

Shepard helps Aria T'Loak retake Omega
At the station suddenly attack us legions of Collectors.

Shepard learns the truth about Omega {station for the production collectors by reapers}
In addition, he finds the capsule of the Protheans.
We also learn why Illusion Man needed Omega
{transport the remains of the human reaper from outside the Omega 4 relay, and created the army on the basis of technology gained from the collectors base}
We will learn about the past Aria T'Loak about the death
of her daughter, and her former relationship with Wrex.
Harbinger will also return and Raymond Ashe

And much much more{A lot of the content}


Mass Effect 3 Guardian DLC Spoilers

The truth is close.Discover the mysteries and secrets
hidden in the heart of every civilization.

What is the Citadel. Is just the heart of every advanced
civilization?
Or perhaps lies in the interior of information that no
one has ever discovered?

Shepard gets into the mysteries part of the Citadel and
discover brutal truth about the Keepers and a trap which
is the Citadel.
The truth has never been so close.Go through the portal
and visit the dark world of Reapers{"Homeworld"}
{The place where the Keepers are created}
Learn more about indoctrination,discover how work the
collective intelligence and more.

Discover the truth in January

Will hold some amount of weight if the description of Omega turns out to be correct. Otherwise probable hoax.

I think this is pretty interesting...thoughts?

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 09 octobre 2012 - 11:29 .

[TJBartlemus]

 Posted in the IT thread...thoughts??

TJBartlemus wrote...

estebanus wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...



Is it just me or is Omega exploding in this photo?

I think it may be the sun in the background you're seeing. 
Also, the Normandy wouldn't be flying towards it if that were true.

So why is Omega (the asteroid portion) illuminated? If it was the sun it would be like an eclipse, not illuminated. Personally having the ability to blow it up would be awesome. ME3 needs MOAR EXPLOSIONS!!!! 

Also...on Collectors in SP...totally possible. Why impliment it in MP to not have it in the DLC? There is also foreshadowing about it as well. In the books at least...it is told to the reader that Collectors are known to make deals there (makes sense cause of Omega relay) but also that there is a possiblilty that Omega is of Reaper origin. (Hinted at in Retribution. [fun fact: synonym for retaliation is retribution.]) I even thought up a possible reason in 5 minutes. Omega is a cloning factory for producing collectors. Totally logical...

On the survey for top 10 proof of IT, I feel the Guardian must be in the top 5. I mean really. It is damning proof. Literalist or not, it shows that the LEADER OF THE REAPERS IS IN SHEPARDS MIND. That's what IT is all about!!!!! 

[Davik Kang]

Hey I'm re-reading through all this and there are some fascinating ideas here. Will post more later.

[TJBartlemus]

Davik Kang wrote...

Hey I'm re-reading through all this and there are some fascinating ideas here. Will post more later.

Take your time. 

[TJBartlemus]

 Just dropping this here...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Sup guys? I have some ideas about the DLC cycle. Here is what we know so far...

• Leviathan (confirmed and released)
• Omega (confirmed and to be released)

I believe that the rumored Guardian DLC (Citadel...whatever) will be the next one. What may be in it...I have no idea. If the Omega content leak is truely real, then it is possible the Guardian is as well. What happens after though? I think there are 3 outcomes:

• All the DLC's combine parts (Puzzle Theory) to make a "DLC" in a sense.
• Project X is released next. Being as an epilogue DLC is questionable.
• No more DLC's and the end stays as it does. (just with sprinkles)

I am seriously pushing for 1 or 2. Or even a combination of them both. (Having Project X released but only be bought if you have bought all the other DLC's. Which may be the way BioWare finds a way to exceed the 2-3 GB max. Hide a bit of the DLC in each new DLC before it.) So what do you guys think?

[spotlessvoid]

Fell for it again!

Jk TJ

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 25 octobre 2012 - 03:42 .

[Z3R0D3A7H]

So after reviewing a couple pages and watching the videos posted by ElSuperGecko, I just thought of something....
Didn't a nice large armored space suit just land in the lap of one of the Leviathans?

Reaper take down:  http://youtu.be/DwTPQxxDpa4?t=10m52s

Modifié par Z3R0D3A7H, 25 octobre 2012 - 09:10 .

[Storin]

TJBartlemus wrote...

 PART 3: Evidence

Besides the ending of Mass Effect 3 there have been other experiences in the game series of Mass Effect in which a Waking Nightmare has occurred and shown. These Waking Nightmare experiences have occurred to other characters in the series and Shepard was only the last in the series to do so as well. This entry will go into detail and analyze for proof and examples of Waking Nightmares within the Mass Effect series.

Derelict Reaper

[color=rgb(170,170,170)"> ], seeing images, sharing memories, hearing voices. All of these symptoms are shown when they are awake and aware. Some of the symptoms are consistent with the effects that are placed on Shepard such as the seeing of images and experiencing things from memories. This is proof to the WNT because it details and shows that it is possible for victims of indoctrination to see images placed while awake which is consistent with “Waking Nightmares”. If anything it is a proof of concept that Waking Nightmares being placed are possible.[/color]

Arrival 

[color=rgb(170,170,170)"> ] it appears that there are [/color]glowing[color=rgb(170,170,170)"> ]. So is this further proving the Catalyst is indeed a Reaper, because there is a connection to the Catalyst to the Object Rho? The Catalyst is also already related to be the supposed “leader of the reapers”. Most however believe that it is really Harbinger posing as the Catalyst. Something that is interesting is that during the battle next to the Object, Harbinger is able to be heard. So there is a connection already with the Object to Harbinger. There is a connection to the Catalyst to the Object. Is it too much to also connect Harbinger – Object Rho – Catalyst??? So if the Catalyst is not what it seems, it could also potentially point in the direction that not everything on the Citadel is what it seems??[/color]

London: FOB

[color=rgb(170,170,170)"> ] Coats picks Shepard up from a hot zone and transports him to the FOB. The shuttle that picks Shepard up is the UT-47A Kodiak Drop Shuttle used strictly by the Alliance, a shuttle that has been used the entire game up to this point. When Shepard is dropped off however, a closer look inside of the shuttle reveals it as the model UT-47, a shuttle that is used by Cerberus and was the same model that Shepard used all the time in ME2. The main differences which make it possible to determine between these models are the number of seats. In the UT-47A model, it contains 4 seats. In the UT-47, it contains 9 seats. Another determining factor is the fact that in the UT-47 model shuttle that drops Shepard off, it has a[/color] Cerberus logo still on the inside.

 The fact the models change is irregular because as far as it has been proven, this type of event has never happened during the rest of the game. As well to the plot in a literal sense it makes no sense for having the change. Looking at it from a WNT perspective however, this event starts to make a lot more sense. One part of WNT claims an idea that what could cause the changes affecting Shepard could be that the beam he is trying to get to could potentially double as an indoctrination device. If true this could explain the sudden change of shuttles. Shepard at the start of the mission was a good distance away from the FOB and the beam. So his perceptions aren’t being affected or at least not to an extent. Thus the shuttle appears as it should. When he is transported to a location much closer to the beam, the effects get stronger and the shuttle transforms to an image more familiar to him, the UT-47 Cerberus shuttle.

 The reason the outside doesn’t change is currently up for debate. The most likely reason could be that if the outside changed it would be too much of a hint that something was wrong when it's supposed to be subtle. And a change from a blue shuttle to a white one would be a MASSIVE hint. An in game reason for the outside not changing could be that Shepard's mind wouldn't allow a change in an object that he knows for certain what it looks like. This is possibly proven to be possible because as shown in the Geth Fighter Squadrons mission and what Legion explains in that mission, “Your mind perceives our world as something familiar.” So the human mind is known to change things to make sense of them or makes details stay the same so the mind doesn't go insane.

[color=rgb(170,170,170)"> ] is truly a change purposely in the game by BioWare, it is potentially the only time that it is proven and plain that the Reapers are effecting Shepard’s perceptions and changing what he is seeing. It also is potentially proving that at least a portion or all of WNT is true.[/color]

Regarding stuff like the weirdness of the shuttle model changing, I'm actually tempted to believe it's just someone at Bioware screwing with us for kicks.

[TJBartlemus]

Storin wrote...

Regarding stuff like the weirdness of the shuttle model changing, I'm actually tempted to believe it's just someone at Bioware screwing with us for kicks.

Could very well be...who knows?

[TJBartlemus]

 

TJBartlemus wrote...

 I am in a debate class, and one of the topics we were discussing caught my attention. In the interest of keeping on topic, I'll slightly adapt it.

 Say if in the ending, instead of shooting a tube, it was a person. Just a random innocent person. Is it morally permissible to kill that one innocent to save the lives of more people from the Reapers?