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Don't like that people don't like Liara.

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*snip super hot blue lady*


P.S We are all just jelly so Liara fans should just be happy.


You know what they say. The first step to recovery is to admit your mistakes. I'm glad you recognize your jelly-ness.

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Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

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Arguing bringing Liara "made sense" when in fact she was entirely useless because all you needed was the two visions. Boy, she was a real help with those!

Not.

Did you know that before you touched down on the planet. No. Therefore, it makes sense from an in game point of view to take her.


It also made sense to bring her to Noveria when you fight Benezia in ME1, but the game doesn't force you to. Seriously, I found the forced companion crap in ME3 very tedious, not only for Liara. I like bringing multiple companions in other playthroughs to see what changes, this kills replayability.


You may not have recruited her by then so no, it doesn't male sense to force a slot for her.
She plays a small role on Menae until you get to Garrus
She discovered the cruicible on mars so it makes sense for her to take you to the archive
She is a prothean expert so it makes sense to take her to EP.
Thessia you're there to find the last component to the device she discovered. .

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@Chaotic Fusion - Thank you. That's more or less the entire point. I hate being forced to take squadmates, especially when its DLC.

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Better then Vega.

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Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

BP93 wrote...

Arguing bringing Liara "made sense" when in fact she was entirely useless because all you needed was the two visions. Boy, she was a real help with those!

Not.

Did you know that before you touched down on the planet. No. Therefore, it makes sense from an in game point of view to take her.


It also made sense to bring her to Noveria when you fight Benezia in ME1, but the game doesn't force you to. Seriously, I found the forced companion crap in ME3 very tedious, not only for Liara. I like bringing multiple companions in other playthroughs to see what changes, this kills replayability.


Have to agree with Chaotic-Fusioin on this (whether I'm liara fan or not) In Noveria's mission the option to bring Liara was a voluentary choice. For daughter & mother can be a bad thing considering Liara's unstable condition in such a situation.

This brings my point in Thessia, how Liara shouldn't have been forced to bring since she was in an unstable condition.....the aftermath proved that........plus it's nice to know how Liara homeworld is the only one destroyed when Earth, Palavan, and even the Krogans (and all their problems) the Geth & Quarians, Elcor Homeworld, Volus etc.......all were destroyed. Maybe the Asari's should have joined the Alliance like everyone else earlier than to hide a Prothean Beacon

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F4H bandicoot wrote...

Thessia feels forced, I'll give you that.


Not really, she's the only Asari in the crew, plus you're there to find the last component to the device she discovered.

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shepdog77 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Thessia feels forced, I'll give you that.


Not really, she's the only Asari in the crew, plus you're there to find the last component to the device she discovered.


That, and it's HER HOMEWORLD. Guess I should have told Garrus to GTFO on Palaven or told Tali to contain herself to the Normandy on Rannoch.

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shepdog77 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Thessia feels forced, I'll give you that.


Not really, she's the only Asari in the crew, plus you're there to find the last component to the device she discovered.


Actually, yes, I forget about that. Totally agree

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F4H bandicoot wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

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BP93 wrote...

Arguing bringing Liara "made sense" when in fact she was entirely useless because all you needed was the two visions. Boy, she was a real help with those!

Not.

Did you know that before you touched down on the planet. No. Therefore, it makes sense from an in game point of view to take her.


It also made sense to bring her to Noveria when you fight Benezia in ME1, but the game doesn't force you to. Seriously, I found the forced companion crap in ME3 very tedious, not only for Liara. I like bringing multiple companions in other playthroughs to see what changes, this kills replayability.


You may not have recruited her by then so no, it doesn't male sense to force a slot for her.
She plays a small role on Menae until you get to Garrus
She discovered the cruicible on mars so it makes sense for her to take you to the archive
She is a prothean expert so it makes sense to take her to EP.
Thessia feels forced, I'll give you that.


As a rule, you are forced to do missions linearly in ME3, while in ME1/2 you were free to pick the order. They could have forced you to do Therum early, but they didn't, it gave you the illusion of choice.
It's not just about Liara. Taking EDI with you to Cerberus HQ was given an incredibly stupid reason. Couldn't she have done the same from the ship? I like to chose who to bring on mission.

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

Don't like that people don't like Liara.

BringBackNihlus wrote...


*snip super hot blue lady*


P.S We are all just jelly so Liara fans should just be happy.


You know what they say. The first step to recovery is to admit your mistakes. I'm glad you recognize your jelly-ness.


Yes, but I'm one of the "normal" people on here. Its the rest that just need to accept it. But if some Liara fans would develop a little thicker skin, these threads would die off fairly quick.

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General Slotts wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

Don't like that people don't like Liara.

BringBackNihlus wrote...


*snip super hot blue lady*


P.S We are all just jelly so Liara fans should just be happy.


You know what they say. The first step to recovery is to admit your mistakes. I'm glad you recognize your jelly-ness.


Yes, but I'm one of the "normal" people on here. Its the rest that just need to accept it. But if some Liara fans would develop a little thicker skin, these threads would die of fairly quick.


I agree with you on that.

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F4H bandicoot wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Thessia feels forced, I'll give you that.


Not really, she's the only Asari in the crew, plus you're there to find the last component to the device she discovered.


Actually, yes, I forget about that. Totally agree

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Good man.  I understand if people don't like her personality, but she is a main character in this game, and it makes absolutely no sense to not take her on said missions where she's mandatory.  For multiple reasons.

Modifié par shepdog77, 04 août 2012 - 07:42 .


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shepdog77 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Thessia feels forced, I'll give you that.


Not really, she's the only Asari in the crew, plus you're there to find the last component to the device she discovered.


Actually, yes, I forget about that. Totally agree

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Good man.  I understand if people don't like her, but she is a main character in this game, and it makes absolutely no sense to not take her on said missions where she's mandatory.  For multiple reasons.


I'm not even a massive Liara fan, but it makes sense to take her on certain missions.

If we hadn't have taken her to eden prime, the squad would probably have just tried to force the pod open. With Liara there, she has some knowledge on how it works, enabling you to not kill Javik.

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BringBackNihlus wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Thessia feels forced, I'll give you that.


Not really, she's the only Asari in the crew, plus you're there to find the last component to the device she discovered.


That, and it's HER HOMEWORLD. Guess I should have told Garrus to GTFO on Palaven or told Tali to contain herself to the Normandy on Rannoch.



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@Ghost1017

He corrected his post, no need to keep repeating it.

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F4H bandicoot wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Thessia feels forced, I'll give you that.


Not really, she's the only Asari in the crew, plus you're there to find the last component to the device she discovered.


Actually, yes, I forget about that. Totally agree

Post I made to be edited


Good man.  I understand if people don't like her, but she is a main character in this game, and it makes absolutely no sense to not take her on said missions where she's mandatory.  For multiple reasons.


I'm not even a massive Liara fan, but it makes sense to take her on certain missions.

If we hadn't have taken her to eden prime, the squad would probably have just tried to force the pod open. With Liara there, she has some knowledge on how it works, enabling you to not kill Javik.


Liara could have been on the mission as an non-combatant if you chose to do that, ie. Admiral Zen.

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Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

BP93 wrote...

Arguing bringing Liara "made sense" when in fact she was entirely useless because all you needed was the two visions. Boy, she was a real help with those!

Not.

Did you know that before you touched down on the planet. No. Therefore, it makes sense from an in game point of view to take her.


It also made sense to bring her to Noveria when you fight Benezia in ME1, but the game doesn't force you to. Seriously, I found the forced companion crap in ME3 very tedious, not only for Liara. I like bringing multiple companions in other playthroughs to see what changes, this kills replayability.


I sort of suspect BW tried to mix wannabe loyalty missions together with the main ones in ME3.
Not that it worked though.

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shepdog77 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Thessia feels forced, I'll give you that.


Not really, she's the only Asari in the crew, plus you're there to find the last component to the device she discovered.


Actually, yes, I forget about that. Totally agree

Post I made to be edited


Good man.  I understand if people don't like her personality, but she is a main character in this game, and it makes absolutely no sense to not take her on said missions where she's mandatory.  For multiple reasons.

Agreed. Liara is one of the most important character's in the Mass Effect franchise. Hell if i had enough facts about her i could probably make a good argument about how she is the MOST important character besides Shepard. I beileve nobody can say " Liara is not really important in the mass effect game " either way you like her or not, Liara is important and thats why she's EVERYWHERE in the mass effect game beileve it or not.  

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This thread is still kicking? BSN, I love youz all night long.

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spirosz wrote...

This thread is still kicking? BSN, I love youz all night long.


Yeah, I don't know why I keep bumping it, but some things just need to be said.

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While i do not prefer Liara as a LI i really like her.
Quote from LOTSB: "it is a taxi, it has a fare meter" Priceless

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ioannisdenton wrote...

While i do not prefer Liara as a LI i really like her.
Quote from LOTSB: "it is a taxi, it has a fare meter" Priceless


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The most important squadmates as far as plot relevance are Liara, Tali, and Miranda. Note that I'm talking about the series as a whole and not individual games, as Liara obviously isn't very relevant in Mass Effect 2 and Miranda has less plot relevance in Mass Effect 3.

Liara: Prothean expert that divines the location of Ilos. Without Liara in ME1, Saren wins the Conduit race by a mile and the Reapers keep on reaping. Between Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 she prevents the Shadow Broker from obtaining Shepard's corpse, and thus foils a plot by Harbinger and the Collectors to obtain said corpse. By doing so she also plays a supporting role in the Lazarus Project, enabling Shepard's resurrection. In ME3 she plays a crucial role in the development of the Crucible, the superweapon that ultimately defeats the Reapers.

Tali: Obtains the crucial data the implicates Saren in the attack on Eden Prime, thus getting him stripped of his Spectre status and declared an outlaw. Her evidence also contains the first mention of the Reapers, and exposes Benezia as an accomplice. (which in turn leads to Liara's eventual recruitment). Without Tali, Reapers keep on reaping.

Miranda: Project lead for the Lazarus Project. Was also involved in recruiting Liara to obtain Shepard's corpse. Without Miranda the Collectors both obtain Shepard's corpse and Shepard never gets resurrected. Reapers keep on reaping.

Honorable mention: The Illusive Man.

Although not a squadmate he is arguably right up there with the three above mentioned hotties as far as plot relevance. Obviously he plays a central role in both the Lazarus Project and the decision to recruit Liara to obtain Shepar's corpse. Without TIM, the Collectors are not stopped in ME2. Furthermore he prevents Miranda from implanting a control chip, would have ultimately prevented Shepard from saving the galaxy. If the control chip did not hamper Shepard in ME2 it would have in ME3, where the now indoctrinated TIM would have had a method for controlling Shepard.

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Han Shot First wrote...

The most important squadmates as far as plot relevance are Liara, Tali, and Miranda. Note that I'm talking about the series as a whole and not individual games, as Liara obviously isn't very relevant in Mass Effect 2 and Miranda has less plot relevance in Mass Effect 3.

Liara: Prothean expert that divines the location of Ilos. Without Liara in ME1, Saren wins the Conduit race by a mile and the Reapers keep on reaping. Between Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 she prevents the Shadow Broker from obtaining Shepard's corpse, and thus foils a plot by Harbinger and the Collectors to obtain said corpse. By doing so she also plays a supporting role in the Lazarus Project, enabling Shepard's resurrection. In ME3 she plays a crucial role in the development of the Crucible, the superweapon that ultimately defeats the Reapers.

Tali: Obtains the crucial data the implicates Saren in the attack on Eden Prime, thus getting him stripped of his Spectre status and declared an outlaw. Her evidence also contains the first mention of the Reapers, and exposes Benezia as an accomplice. (which in turn leads to Liara's eventual recruitment). Without Tali, Reapers keep on reaping.

Miranda: Project lead for the Lazarus Project. Was also involved in recruiting Liara to obtain Shepard's corpse. Without Miranda the Collectors both obtain Shepard's corpse and Shepard never gets resurrected. Reapers keep on reaping.

Honorable mention: The Illusive Man.

Although not a squadmate he is arguably right up there with the three above mentioned hotties as far as plot relevance. Obviously he plays a central role in both the Lazarus Project and the decision to recruit Liara to obtain Shepar's corpse. Without TIM, the Collectors are not stopped in ME2. Furthermore he prevents Miranda from implanting a control chip, would have ultimately prevented Shepard from saving the galaxy. If the control chip did not hamper Shepard in ME2 it would have in ME3, where the now indoctrinated TIM would have had a method for controlling Shepard.


On the bolded part, if only the humans weren't so stupid and didn't want to keep that stuff a secret on Mars, she would of been irrelevant, but I agree about the rest. 

Modifié par spirosz, 04 août 2012 - 08:30 .