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[Grubas]

Seifer006 wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...
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On a side note I can't remember.. Can we tell Liara to get over the fall of Thessia and that the same thing happened to Earth and Palavan but on a much bigger scale? I don't think we can but I'm not sure.

On this we can agree.

also, no you can't tell her off...there was no renegade option for that part with her and javik....

Would you mourn the loss of someone else as much as your own? I dont think so. 

Modifié par Grubas, 05 août 2012 - 02:23 .

[Seifer006]

LiarasShield wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

My reply for people who say "Liara is shoved down our throats" is you need to learn how to play ME. I play my Ashley and Miranda romance playthroughs with no problem with Liara. Just learn to read and pick the correct dialogue options for the desired path you want. Sorry to say but Liara likes Shepard and yes she will hit on him/her sometimes, it's up to you to apologise and explain the situation to her, in some cases this is a bottom option, but that doesn't mean it's a renegade one just read and get the "top good down bad" idea out of your mind and stop blindly choosing dialogue wheel options and you'll be fine.

And as for things like Liara's dad calling you her boyfriend even if Liara isn't your LI well that's not Liara being shoved in your throat that's a bug and not intentional.

Agreed, the whole "Paragon" and "Renegade"-thing isn't something important and is basically nullified with the new reputationsystem in ME3, but the problem is, Mass Effect 3 has nearly no dialogue options. The only thing we can do is simply not talk to her, which is suboptimal since she has the most screentime of all the characters in the game.
It bugs me to this day that I can't throw her out of Mirandas office... How did she even manage to install all those things in a matter of hours?!


On a side note I can't remember.. Can we tell Liara to get over the fall of Thessia and that the same thing happened to Earth and Palavan but on a much bigger scale? I don't think we can but I'm not sure.

Well obivously if your homeworld is on the brink of destruction and your entire race may be nearly wiped out I don't think you'd be able to smile or get over that much either but humanity hasn't been nearly destroyed so you wouldn't understand the pain she is going through.

Liarashield

you're missing the point.

Thessia isn't the only world that is destroyed. But Liara's reaction is she's all mad at Javik when 1. It's the Asari was the last one to join the Alliance so there's no execuse. 2. Bioware should have allowed a renegade interupt option to tell Liara, that every alien species homeworld is destroyed

humans, turians, elcor, etc... not to mention remember the Krogans (genophage, bomb on tutchanka, reapers forces etc) yeah... plus they had the conduit hidden the entire time

so it's something that was poorly executed IMO

[LiarasShield]

Seifer006 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

My reply for people who say "Liara is shoved down our throats" is you need to learn how to play ME. I play my Ashley and Miranda romance playthroughs with no problem with Liara. Just learn to read and pick the correct dialogue options for the desired path you want. Sorry to say but Liara likes Shepard and yes she will hit on him/her sometimes, it's up to you to apologise and explain the situation to her, in some cases this is a bottom option, but that doesn't mean it's a renegade one just read and get the "top good down bad" idea out of your mind and stop blindly choosing dialogue wheel options and you'll be fine.

And as for things like Liara's dad calling you her boyfriend even if Liara isn't your LI well that's not Liara being shoved in your throat that's a bug and not intentional.

Agreed, the whole "Paragon" and "Renegade"-thing isn't something important and is basically nullified with the new reputationsystem in ME3, but the problem is, Mass Effect 3 has nearly no dialogue options. The only thing we can do is simply not talk to her, which is suboptimal since she has the most screentime of all the characters in the game.
It bugs me to this day that I can't throw her out of Mirandas office... How did she even manage to install all those things in a matter of hours?!


On a side note I can't remember.. Can we tell Liara to get over the fall of Thessia and that the same thing happened to Earth and Palavan but on a much bigger scale? I don't think we can but I'm not sure.

Well obivously if your homeworld is on the brink of destruction and your entire race may be nearly wiped out I don't think you'd be able to smile or get over that much either but humanity hasn't been nearly destroyed so you wouldn't understand the pain she is going through.

Liarashield

you're missing the point.

Thessia isn't the only world that is destroyed. But Liara's reaction is she's all mad at Javik when 1. It's the Asari was the last one to join the Alliance so there's no execuse. 2. Bioware should have allowed a renegade interupt option to tell Liara, that every alien species homeworld is destroyed

humans, turians, elcor, etc... not to mention remember the Krogans (genophage, bomb on tutchanka, reapers forces etc) yeah... plus they had the conduit hidden the entire time

so it's something that was poorly executed IMO

Actually their is a decent reason for that as well the protheans were close to creating the crucible and finding a way to almost stop the reapers in time she believed because javik was a prothean the race that almost completed to crucible that their should've been someway that he could've helped stop the reapers or help build the crucible so that her homeworld wouldn't have been taken over by the reapers.

So of course she would lash out because she believed that javik was the solution that him being a prothean would be able to help her world not fall. 

Also by the way this wasn't really poorly excuted shes been studying about the protheans from the begining

Modifié par LiarasShield, 05 août 2012 - 02:29 .

[Seifer006]

Seifer006 wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...
snip

On a side note I can't remember.. Can we tell Liara to get over the fall of Thessia and that the same thing happened to Earth and Palavan but on a much bigger scale? I don't think we can but I'm not sure.

On this we can agree.

also, no you can't tell her off...there was no renegade option for that part with her and javik....

Grubas wrote...
Would you mourn the loss of someone else as much as your own? I dont think so.

true. sucks how the gave liara so much emphasis on the destuction of Thessia then others. I wish there was a Renegade Interupt to have Shepard to tell her off. Least Garrus, Tali and others showed more maturity then Liara.

Javik is the very last of his species............

[LiarasShield]

Seifer006 wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...
snip

On a side note I can't remember.. Can we tell Liara to get over the fall of Thessia and that the same thing happened to Earth and Palavan but on a much bigger scale? I don't think we can but I'm not sure.

On this we can agree.

also, no you can't tell her off...there was no renegade option for that part with her and javik....

Grubas wrote...
Would you mourn the loss of someone else as much as your own? I dont think so.

true. sucks how the gave liara so much emphasis on the destuction of Thessia then others. I wish there was a Renegade Interupt to have Shepard to tell her off. Least Garrus, Tali and others showed more maturity then Liara.

Javik is the very last of his species............

Maybe because one talis homeworld got reclaimed by shepard and the quarians. Two garrius has always been calm when **** has hit the fan and three maybe because liara is more emotional or sympathetic then the others.


Also if javik sees the memory shard he will want to commit suicide after the ending at least liara doesn't want to kill herself....

Modifié par LiarasShield, 05 août 2012 - 02:32 .

[Arcataye]

Someone (for me it was Tali) says that Liara needs someone to talk with, someone to tell her it's okay. You can always just choose not to do that if you hate her. So the renegade option is not to go and reassure her, just leave her to cry alone in there.

But the version of the scene we now have should've been the neutral one, then a seperate renegade version and a romance version. There's no romance version and the whole scene is like a renegade choice for Liara romancers. Also this way even the haters would be happy.

But anyways it's like almost every scene in the game should've had more options than what we got.

Modifié par Arcataye, 05 août 2012 - 02:50 .

[LiarasShield]

The funny thing is if you truely sit back you'll see why all your reasons for hating liara for any of the stuff you just mentioned doesn't make much sense lol.

[Neria Rose]

Alex_Dur4and wrote...

To all Liara haters...

If it wasn't for Liara, there would have been no ME2 and ME3. She's Shepard's
best friend weither you like it or not. When I learned about what she's
been through for him/her, she became the ONLY romance option for me... I
feel like if I would choose anyone else, it would feel awkward... Did
any other squadmates, do as much for him/her?

1) You could just as easily say if it wasn't for TIM and Miranda, there would have been no ME2 and ME3. Liara was written as being used by TIM to retrieve Shepard's body. If it hadn't been her, it would have been someone else. Furthermore, Bioware stated from the beginning that Mass Effect would be a trilogy. ME2 and ME3 would happen regardless of Liara's (and anyone else's) role. Always makes me laugh how often Liara fans try to throw that "fact" in the faces of others. Pfft.

2) My Shepard's best friend is Garrus.

3) In my game, Garrus did far more for Shepard than Liara. When not forcing her presence on Shepard, Liara was thankfully generally avoidable (last mission in ME1 before Ilos, brief meeting on Ilium without doing LotSB, mostly secluded in her room on the Normandy in ME3 though the forced missions and room visits may have cancelled that out). Garrus provided love, support, companionship, peace, humor, loyalty and respect (i.e. was willing to let the dead lie, didn't hang on to her belongings, etc.) to my Shepard. Oh, the joy of being able to make some choices.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 05 août 2012 - 02:59 .

[Barquiel]

Seifer006 wrote...

true. sucks how the gave liara so much emphasis on the destuction of Thessia then others. I wish there was a Renegade Interupt to have Shepard to tell her off. Least Garrus, Tali and others showed more maturity then Liara.

Javik is the very last of his species............

Yeah, jumping off a cliff is clearly a sign of maturity.

[LiarasShield]

Neria Rose wrote...

Alex_Dur4and wrote...

To all Liara haters...

If it wasn't for Liara, there would have been no ME2 and ME3. She's Shepard's
best friend weither you like it or not. When I learned about what she's
been through for him/her, she became the ONLY romance option for me... I
feel like if I would choose anyone else, it would feel awkward... Did
any other squadmates, do as much for him/her?

1) You could just as easily say if it wasn't for TIM and Miranda, there would have been no ME2 and ME3. Liara was written as being used by TIM to retrieve Shepard's body. If it hadn't been her, it would have been someone else. Furthermore, Bioware stated from the beginning that Mass Effect would be a trilogy. ME2 and ME3 would happen
regardless of Liara's (and anyone else's) role. Always makes me laugh how often Liara fans try to throw that "fact" in the faces of others. Pfft.

2) My Shepard's best friend is Garrus.

3) In my game, Garrus did far more for Shepard than Liara. When not forcing her presence on Shepard, Liara was thankfully generally avoidable (last mission in ME1 before Ilos, brief meeting on Ilium without doing LotSB, mostly secluded in her room on the Normandy in ME3 though the forced missions and room visits may have cancelled that out). Garrus provided love, support, companionship, peace, humor, loyalty and respect (i.e. was willing to let the dead lie, didn't hang on to her belongings, etc.) to my Shepard. Oh, the joy of being able to make some choices.

Also Actually liara was already looking for shepards body before she was even informed by cerberus and she found and gave shepards body to cerberus so that the shadow broker wouldn't turn his or her body over to the reapers

Also if you're gonna state facts at least please state them accurate if liara never found shepards body and cerberus never found shepards body or got ahold of it their would be no me2 or 3 it is as simple as that

[Mythanblood]

LiarasShield wrote...

The funny thing is if you truely sit back you'll see why all your reasons for hating liara for any of the stuff you just mentioned doesn't make much sense lol.

*looks at your post* *looks at your username* 

Yeaaah.... I'm not surprised that those reasons don't make much sense to you. You are, after all, Liaras Shield.

[Neria Rose]

LiarasShield wrote...

Also Actually liara was already looking for shepards body before she was even informed by cerberus and she found and gave shepards body to cerberus so that the shadow broker wouldn't turn his or her body over to the reapers

Also if you're gonna state facts at least please state them accurate if liara never found shepards body and cerberus never found shepards body or got ahold of it their would be no me2 or 3 it is as simple as that

I'm trying to figure out what you mean by your first sentence.

Regarding the second sentence or rather collection of words, ME2 and ME3 would have happened regardless. Bioware would have come up with some other way to revive Shepard or would not have killed him/her in the first place. They would not pass up the chance to make more money.

[LiarasShield]

Mythanblood wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

The funny thing is if you truely sit back you'll see why all your reasons for hating liara for any of the stuff you just mentioned doesn't make much sense lol.

*looks at your post* *looks at your username* 

Yeaaah.... I'm not surprised that those reasons don't make much sense to you. You are, after all, Liaras Shield.

ok lol but whats the point of your post I've already mentioned decent reasons for the way she was acting O_O?

[LiarasShield]

Neria Rose wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Also Actually liara was already looking for shepards body before she was even informed by cerberus and she found and gave shepards body to cerberus so that the shadow broker wouldn't turn his or her body over to the reapers

Also if you're gonna state facts at least please state them accurate if liara never found shepards body and cerberus never found shepards body or got ahold of it their would be no me2 or 3 it is as simple as that

I'm trying to figure out what you mean by your first sentence.

Regarding the second sentence or rather collection of words, ME2 and ME3 would have happened regardless. Bioware would have come up with some other way to revive Shepard or would not have killed him/her in the first place. They would not pass up the chance to make more money.

But that isn't the way the story went down is it? Also bioware isn't nearly as greedy as I think you think they are but of course they need to make some sort of profit to keep making great games I think you're confusing ea with bioware.

[Arcataye]

Seifer006 wrote...

true. sucks how the gave liara so much emphasis on the destuction of Thessia then others. I wish there was a Renegade Interupt to have Shepard to tell her off. Least Garrus, Tali and others showed more maturity then Liara.

But hey, you should be happy that Thessia had only one short mission while Tuchanka and Rannoch consisted of multiple missions. Those two have an actual meaningful story arc with a satisfying solution in the end.

But about Liara crying over Thessia.
Her homeplanet got destroyed, her friends got killed and the asari believed they could somehow stay out of it all - it was a huge shock and she's just an prothean scientist.
Garrus is a badass soldier, Archangel, betrayed by his friend. He's seen bad things before. And anyways his family got out of Palaven safely.
And Tali is either happy to have Rannoch back, happy with the peace with Geth (my choice) or commit suicide.

Modifié par Arcataye, 05 août 2012 - 03:12 .

[Mathy16]

Useless topic. In the Gamespot preview they were playing with Garrus and James. You don't have to pick Liara!

[essarr71]

Neria Rose wrote...

3) In my game, Garrus did far more for Shepard than Liara. When not forcing her presence on Shepard, Liara was thankfully generally avoidable (last mission in ME1 before Ilos, brief meeting on Ilium without doing LotSB, mostly secluded in her room on the Normandy in ME3 though the forced missions and room visits may have cancelled that out). Garrus provided love, support, companionship, peace, humor, loyalty and respect (i.e. was willing to let the dead lie, didn't hang on to her belongings, etc.) to my Shepard. Oh, the joy of being able to make some choices.

So you're saying Liara was forced on people when she's entirely optional except when she's required?

So Garrus should have been on Mars researching prothean tech?  Or Vega should have been the one making time capsules?  How come its always Tali when Im doing something Geth related?  Liara can provide all the things you mentioned that Garrus can to someones shepard.  So could Tali.  Its all preference.  

The sad truth is Liara isn't given any more favoritism than any other squadmate - save for her avoiding death.  One can make the same argument about the VS.  And frankly, given how your relationships with other squadmates actually effects how certain events will play out - something Liara has no variables with - actually says otherwise to her importance.  She's there to provide context in regards to ancient history, and apparently appear in screenshots for DLC.  Everything else is optional.. and not nearly as oversaturated as some would think.

Modifié par essarr71, 05 août 2012 - 03:14 .

[Arcataye]

Mathy16 wrote...

Useless topic. In the Gamespot preview they were playing with Garrus and James. You don't have to pick Liara!

But this topic is not about this topic, the opening post is not the opening post - it's a test! The opening post is supposedly somewhere on the page 2 I guess. This thread is also not supposed to include Liara hate and if you don't dislike Liara you're unintelligent and childish.

Modifié par Arcataye, 05 août 2012 - 03:17 .

[essarr71]

Arcataye wrote...

Mathy16 wrote...

Useless topic. In the Gamespot preview they were playing with Garrus and James. You don't have to pick Liara!

But this topic is not about this topic, the opening post is not the opening post - it's a test! The opening post is supposedly somewhere on the page 2 I guess. This thread is also not supposed to include Liara hate and if you don't dislike Liara you're unintelligent and childish.

ha!  

[Mythanblood]

Arcataye wrote...
This thread is also not supposed to include Liara hate and if you don't dislike Liara you're unintelligent and childish.

What.

[Neria Rose]

LiarasShield wrote...

But that isn't the way the story went down is it? Also bioware isn't nearly as greedy as I think you think they are but of course they need to make some sort of profit to keep making great games I think you're confusing ea with bioware.

I think you're confusing fantasy with reality. It's not profit to 'keep making great games', it's profit to put food on the tables of Bioware employees. Or do you not yet have to work for a living and pay your own bills?

[LiarasShield]

Neria Rose wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

But that isn't the way the story went down is it? Also bioware isn't nearly as greedy as I think you think they are but of course they need to make some sort of profit to keep making great games I think you're confusing ea with bioware.

I think you're confusing fantasy with reality. It's not profit to 'keep making great games', it's profit to put food on the tables of Bioware employees. Or do you not yet have to work for a living and pay your own bills?

Actually I have job at walmart not that it is any of your business lol but I think you're confusing a company that likes making great games and great stories for a company that has only been making new versions of certain titles without adding that much content to them and ended buying out bioware or combing bioware as one of their branches

but bioware was never about just the money otherwise I can tell you haven't played baldurs gate icewind dale or neverwinter nights

[Barquiel]

LiarasShield wrote...

Also Actually liara was already looking for shepards body before she was even informed by cerberus and she found and gave shepards body to cerberus so that the shadow broker wouldn't turn his or her body over to the reapers

Also if you're gonna state facts at least please state them accurate if liara never found shepards body and cerberus never found shepards body or got ahold of it their would be no me2 or 3 it is as simple as that

Didn't you know? It's super creepy that Liara was looking for Shepard.

TIM: I am the Illusive Man, I have data on where to find Shepard...interested?

Liara: Shepard saved the citadel from Sovereign and my life on Therum...but no, she was a renegade douche.

TIM: Hm...that's unexpected. But I have received information that leads me to believe that the Shadow Broker wants Shepard, too. He made a deal with the collectors and their interest might be related to the reapers.

Liara: Ah yes, "reapers". I have dismissed this claim.

TIM: But...

Liara: It was a pleasure talking with you. But do you know how many Eclipse mercs work on Illium? I have to kill some criminals to stroke my ego. Bye!

TIM:

That would be a healthy attitude!

[LiarasShield]

Barquiel wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

Also Actually liara was already looking for shepards body before she was even informed by cerberus and she found and gave shepards body to cerberus so that the shadow broker wouldn't turn his or her body over to the reapers

Also if you're gonna state facts at least please state them accurate if liara never found shepards body and cerberus never found shepards body or got ahold of it their would be no me2 or 3 it is as simple as that

Didn't you know? It's super creepy that Liara was looking for Shepard.

TIM: I am the Illusive Man, I have data on where to find Shepard...interested?

Liara: Shepard saved the citadel from Sovereign and my life on Therum...but no, she was a renegade douche.

TIM: Hm...that's unexpected. But I have received information that leads me to believe that the Shadow Broker wants Shepard, too. He made a deal with the collectors and their interest might be related to the reapers.

Liara: Ah yes, "reapers". I have dismissed this claim.

TIM: But...

Liara: It was a pleasure talking with you. But do you know how many Eclipse mercs work on Illium? I have to kill some criminals to stroke my ego. Bye!

TIM:

That would be a healthy attitude!

She was on illium mourning the loss of shepard and continueing to do things with her life because she didn't fully know that cerberus would be able to bring shepard back that and she was trying to relocate her friend ferron who helped get shepard body in the first place.... so your point is....?

[Mythanblood]

LiarasShield wrote...


but bioware was never about just the money otherwise I can tell you haven't played baldurs gate icewind dale or neverwinter nights

Funny thing. That Bioware you're talking about? That's gone since 2007. Bought by Electronic Arts Inc.
To make it clear: Bioware IS EA. They just decided to keep the name because, wait for it.... Profit.