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[Arcataye]

Mythanblood wrote...

Just because she likes me doesn't mean that I have to like her. It's called roleplaying. Take that away and all you have is a long shooter with a few crew "interactions".

Yes, roleplay that you don't like her, ignore her, don't go talk to her. If nothing else works, headcanon. That's where a lot of people fix things that annoy them, at least what I've seen. Nobody will ever do a game/movie/book that is perfect for everyone and that's when you fix things in your head. Write a fanfic about it, get it off your chest and then consider it canon for your story.
And isn't Mass Effect 3 already that?

Modifié par Arcataye, 05 août 2012 - 04:24 .

[Mythanblood]

essarr71 wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

Just because she likes me doesn't mean that I have to like her. It's called roleplaying. Take that away and all you have is a long shooter with a few crew "interactions".

Have you played ME3?

Yes. I'm a hardcore Mass Effect Fan so of course I played ME3. Insane amount of auto-dialogue. 
Just compare the interactions with your crew in ME2 with the interactions with your crew in ME3. You had lots of choices and different dialogues depending on these choices.
In ME3, most of the time you just press "A" or "spacebar" and listen to what your crewmember and Shepard have to say. That's not roleplaying. That's like watching a movie.

[Seifer006]

Arcataye wrote...
But anyways it's like almost every scene in the game should've had more options than what we got.

and that we can agree on

[Seifer006]

Neria Rose wrote...

Alex_Dur4and wrote...

To all Liara haters...

If it wasn't for Liara, there would have been no ME2 and ME3. She's Shepard's
best friend weither you like it or not. When I learned about what she's
been through for him/her, she became the ONLY romance option for me... I
feel like if I would choose anyone else, it would feel awkward... Did
any other squadmates, do as much for him/her?

1) You could just as easily say if it wasn't for TIM and Miranda, there would have been no ME2 and ME3. Liara was written as being used by TIM to retrieve Shepard's body. If it hadn't been her, it would have been someone else. Furthermore, Bioware stated from the beginning that Mass Effect would be a trilogy. ME2 and ME3 would happen regardless of Liara's (and anyone else's) role. Always makes me laugh how often Liara fans try to throw that "fact" in the faces of others. Pfft.

2) My Shepard's best friend is Garrus.

3) In my game, Garrus did far more for Shepard than Liara. When not forcing her presence on Shepard, Liara was thankfully generally avoidable (last mission in ME1 before Ilos, brief meeting on Ilium without doing LotSB, mostly secluded in her room on the Normandy in ME3 though the forced missions and room visits may have cancelled that out). Garrus provided love, support, companionship, peace, humor, loyalty and respect (i.e. was willing to let the dead lie, didn't hang on to her belongings, etc.) to my Shepard. Oh, the joy of being able to make some choices.

definitely agree with Neria Rose on this, there's so much I can add to her comment.

[Seifer006]

Arcataye wrote...

Mathy16 wrote...

Useless topic. In the Gamespot preview they were playing with Garrus and James. You don't have to pick Liara!

But this topic is not about this topic, the opening post is not the opening post - it's a test! The opening post is supposedly somewhere on the page 2 I guess. This thread is also not supposed to include Liara hate and if you don't dislike Liara you're unintelligent and childish.

only the liara extremists don't understand.

it's fine. I could careless about your comments

[Seifer006]

Mythanblood wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

Just because she likes me doesn't mean that I have to like her. It's called roleplaying. Take that away and all you have is a long shooter with a few crew "interactions".

Have you played ME3?

Yes. I'm a hardcore Mass Effect Fan so of course I played ME3. Insane amount of auto-dialogue. 
Just compare the interactions with your crew in ME2 with the interactions with your crew in ME3. You had lots of choices and different dialogues depending on these choices.
In ME3, most of the time you just press "A" or "spacebar" and listen to what your crewmember and Shepard have to say. That's not roleplaying. That's like watching a movie.

Agree with Mythanblood. I would revert the question to you Liarashield, have you played ME3? Let me go further,  how many RPG's have you played?

ME2 IMO had the most options when come to dialogue. Heck just the Tali trial alone had like 5 different outcomes depending on: Choice

[Arcataye]

Seifer006 wrote...

only the liara extremists don't understand.
it's fine. I could careless about your comments

We actually had some discussion here for several pages without getting hostile if you noticed, but it's nice to have you back.

Okay, so you have to be a "liara extremist" to not understand why you started the thread with a single picture and when people respond to that you shrug it off by saying "it's not about the picture, it's a test". That's just plain and simple the wrong way to start a thread.

And you do still care enough to reply. <3

Modifié par Arcataye, 05 août 2012 - 05:02 .

[Seifer006]

Arcataye wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

only the liara extremists don't understand.
it's fine. I could careless about your comments

We actually had some discussion here for several pages without getting hostile if you noticed, but it's nice to have you back.

Okay, so you have to be a "liara extremist" to not understand why you started the thread with a single picture and when people respond to that you shrug it off by saying "it's not about the picture, it's a test". That's just plain and simple the wrong way to start a thread.

And you do still care enough to reply. <3

lol

I read those discussions. they were good. it's why I stayed out. since I was enjoying the reponses. besides look at all my responses, and you'll notice there's nothing hostile at all of them.

It's the extremists replies that are...but I just ignore them

[Han Shot First]

Seifer006 wrote...

Liarashield

you're missing the point.

Thessia isn't the only world that is destroyed. But Liara's reaction is she's all mad at Javik when 1. It's the Asari was the last one to join the Alliance so there's no execuse. 2. Bioware should have allowed a renegade interupt option to tell Liara, that every alien species homeworld is destroyed

humans, turians, elcor, etc... not to mention remember the Krogans (genophage, bomb on tutchanka, reapers forces etc) yeah... plus they had the conduit hidden the entire time

so it's something that was poorly executed IMO

Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth, and trying to get everyone to rally together to retake it. He this does despite Earth not having any military or strategic significance that should have placed it at a higher priority above either Palaven or Thessia. In fact both of those worlds are more strategically significant than Earth considering that Turians are the premier military power in the galaxi, and Thessia is an eezo rich world that gives the Asari the galaxy's biggest economy.

People criticize Liara for being more fixated on the fall of Thessia more than the fall of other homeworlds, when Shepard does exactly the same with Earth. Shepard is even worse since he spends the entire game trying to get  everyone else to divert resources away from their own homeworlds in an attempt to retake Earth.

With all of that in mind, a renegade interrupt where Shepard chastises Liara for crying about Thessia would be stupid. Not unless the response was to have Liara then point out what a giant hypocrite Shepard is.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 août 2012 - 05:15 .

[Mythanblood]

Han Shot First, you do realize that one of the reasons Shepard is trying to defeat the reapers on Earth is because the bulk of the reaper forces is on Earth, do you?
That and he had his orders. He is a soldier not a politician. At least according to auto-dialogue.


(Is it spelled dialogue or dialog? Is dialogue British and dialog American English? My dictionary says dialog but I seem to recall to have seen the word "dialogue" in, for example, Dragon Age O_o)

[Seifer006]

Han Shot First wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Liarashield

you're missing the point.

Thessia isn't the only world that is destroyed. But Liara's reaction is she's all mad at Javik when 1. It's the Asari was the last one to join the Alliance so there's no execuse. 2. Bioware should have allowed a renegade interupt option to tell Liara, that every alien species homeworld is destroyed

humans, turians, elcor, etc... not to mention remember the Krogans (genophage, bomb on tutchanka, reapers forces etc) yeah... plus they had the conduit hidden the entire time

so it's something that was poorly executed IMO

Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth, and trying to get everyone to rally together to retake it. He this does despite Earth not having any military or strategic significance that should have placed it at a higher priority above either Palaven or Thessia. In fact both of those worlds are more strategically significant than Earth considering that Turians are the premier military power in the galaxi, and Thessia is an eezo rich world that gives the Asari the galaxy's biggest economy.

People criticize Liara for being more fixated on the fall of Thessia more than the fall of other homeworlds, when Shepard does exactly the same with Earth. Shepard is even worse since he spends the entire game trying to get  everyone else to divert resources away from their own homeworlds in an attempt to retake Earth.

With all of that in mind, a renegade interrupt where Shepard chastises Liara for crying about Thessia would be stupid. Not unless the response was to have Liara then point out what a giant hypocrite Shepard is.

that's why it's a renegade interrupt. The response wouldn't be Nice & clean. Heck ME2 renegade interrupt were much better IMO. Remember Mordin first meeting: the renegade interrupt was pretty much: shut the hell up

ME1: emily wrong renegade interrupt was threatneing her. or conrad verner having a pistol shoved in his face. Hell, in ME2 HE SHOT HIM

[Han Shot First]

Shepard might have had orders, but that wouldn't change the fact that he'd be a hypocrite for chastizing Liara for crying over Thessia. He spends the entire game moping about Earth.

But in either case I don't see a problem with their reactions. People always react more strongly when disaster strikes close to home. Lets say for instance that you turn on the news one day to coverage of a tsunami striking a distant corner of the world, where whole cities have been flattened and 100,000 are feared dead. It is an apocalyptic scene of absolute devastation. On that same day you get news that a relative that you were very close to, was just killed in a car accident.

Which of those two is more likely to provoke a stronger emotional response?

So I can't really fault Liara for being more upset about Thessia or Shepard for beign more upset about Earth. In both cases the fall of the their homeworlds means the loss of something familiar, and friends and family could potentially be dying on those worlds. Of course they'd be more fixated on home.

Mythanblood wrote...

Grubas wrote...
Liara at last is decent enough to sob in private, while Tali needs to make a drama in public. And according to Asari to human years, Liara is just 10!
So yeah she can handle it better then anyone else.

Great, now Shepard is a pedophile!
 

Ummm, no.


Asari reach adulthood between 40 and 60 years old, and Liara is 106 at the start of Mass Effect 1. She was a college graduate with a doctorate, and had been working as an archaeologist for 50 years.

The biggest age difference with an LI is Shepard and Tali.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 août 2012 - 05:31 .

[Mythanblood]

Han Shot First wrote...

Shepard might have had orders, but that wouldn't change the fact that he'd be a hypocrite for chastizing Liara for crying over Thessia. He spends the entire game moping about Earth.

But in either case I don't see a problem with their reactions. People always react more strongly when disaster strikes close to home. Lets say for instance that you turn on the news one day to coverage of a tsunami striking a distant corner of the world, where whole cities have been flattened and 100,000 are feared dead. It is an apocalyptic scene of absolute devastation. On that same day you get news that a relative that you were very close to, was just killed in a car accident.

Which of those two is more likely to provoke a stronger emotional response?

So I can't really fault Liara for being more upset about Thessia or Shepard for beign more upset about Earth. In both cases the fall of the their homeworlds means the loss of something familiar, and friends and family could potentially be dying on those worlds. Of course they'd be more fixated on home.

I don't think anyone blames Liara for mourning Thessia. It's just the lack of options that bothers me. What speaks against such an option except "That would be heartless"? Renegade Shepard is heartless. He kills Mordin, betrays Wrex and is a complete jerk.
Conrad Vernor says it right "You were a big jerk!"

Mythanblood wrote...

Grubas wrote...
Liara at last is decent enough to sob in private, while Tali needs to make a drama in public. And according to Asari to human years, Liara is just 10!
So yeah she can handle it better then anyone else.

Great, now Shepard is a pedophile!
 

Ummm, no.


Asari reach adulthood between 40 and 60 years old, and Liara is 106 at the start of Mass Effect 1.

It was a joke referring to "Liara is just 10!".

[Seifer006]

Lack of Options.............if that hasn't been brought up on BSN

[Seifer006]

From what I've read on the Leviathan DLC it's two hours long (though the Mike Gamble interview I think he said it's 3hrs). I wonder how many options they'll be.

I've enjoyed the DLC's of past ME games. But, choices weren't all that significant. Since it's separate from the game.

Modifié par Seifer006, 05 août 2012 - 05:40 .

[Grubas]

Renegade Shep is not a (complete) jerk. He does what he thinks is right. Hes more like Jack Bauer. Commiting minor evils, to stop a far bigger threat. While Paragon shep dosnt want to compromise his moral standarts (to much). 
Asari are known to reach 1000 years of age. So humans are known to reach 100. So compared to an Asari she has to face the fall of her home at a relatively young age.  
And she is an Alien, so yeah, as Legion said, it would be racist to apply the same standarts to every race. Hope i saved this for all Liaramancers..
 

[wright1978]

Han Shot First wrote...

Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth, and trying to get everyone to rally together to retake it. He this does despite Earth not having any military or strategic significance that should have placed it at a higher priority above either Palaven or Thessia. In fact both of those worlds are more strategically significant than Earth considering that Turians are the premier military power in the galaxi, and Thessia is an eezo rich world that gives the Asari the galaxy's biggest economy.

People criticize Liara for being more fixated on the fall of Thessia more than the fall of other homeworlds, when Shepard does exactly the same with Earth. Shepard is even worse since he spends the entire game trying to get  everyone else to divert resources away from their own homeworlds in an attempt to retake Earth.

With all of that in mind, a renegade interrupt where Shepard chastises Liara for crying about Thessia would be stupid. Not unless the response was to have Liara then point out what a giant hypocrite Shepard is.

Shep's forced earth focus is stupid. They created a game reason for the final battle to takeplace at earth but yet for some reason made Shep ignore what his/her primary objective should have been(defeat reapers) and focus on whatshould have been a secondary objective(take back earth). Certainly should be choice to be less earth centric and therefore a renegade and paragon interrupt option for Liara scene would make sense in that scenario.

Modifié par wright1978, 05 août 2012 - 08:02 .

[Seifer006]

Grubas wrote...

Renegade Shep is not a (complete) jerk. He does what he thinks is right. Hes more like Jack Bauer. Commiting minor evils, to stop a far bigger threat. While Paragon shep dosnt want to compromise his moral standarts (to much). 
Asari are known to reach 1000 years of age. So humans are known to reach 100. So compared to an Asari she has to face the fall of her home at a relatively young age.  
And she is an Alien, so yeah, as Legion said, it would be racist to apply the same standarts to every race. Hope i saved this for all Liaramancers..
 

Not sure if Bioware verfied, but I think that was Liara in the end of the Control-Ending (i think it's control)

[lillitheris]

More Liara? Well, since you asked, yes please!

[rdnanez]

no such thing as too much liara in my book

[BatmanPWNS]

Arcataye wrote...

Mythanblood wrote...

Just because she likes me doesn't mean that I have to like her. It's called roleplaying. Take that away and all you have is a long shooter with a few crew "interactions".

Yes, roleplay that you don't like her, ignore her, don't go talk to her. If nothing else works, headcanon. That's where a lot of people fix things that annoy them, at least what I've seen. Nobody will ever do a game/movie/book that is perfect for everyone and that's when you fix things in your head. Write a fanfic about it, get it off your chest and then consider it canon for your story.
And isn't Mass Effect 3 already that?

I wish us non-Liara fans could ignore her........... to bad she has to come into my room without permission and force me to have chat. Yup, totally can ignore her. /sarcasm.

[habitat 67]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

You hadn't heard? Everyone in the DLC except Shepard and those husks are Liara. You will get to pick two Liaras for your squad. The person investigating Leviathan is another Liara. Hell, Leviathan is Liara.

I want a Liara lunchbox<3. Say it really fast three times.

[essarr71]

Speezy wrote...

Mass Effect probably would have been a lot better if the asari and Liara had never been created. Maybe if we never got a race of perfect blue (who are super hawt guis and can have sex with anyone!) space lesbians we wouldn't have ended up with stupid **** like ****** EDI and catsuits for everyone.

Well, maybe not. Bioware is pretty immature when it comes to sexuality.

Right.  Because introducing S/S relationships isn't mature or ahead of the curve or anything.  You're open to your opinion on what makes ME better or worse, of course, but saying Bioware is immature when it comes to sexuality is naive and unfair.

They're hardly the only game developer that (over)glorifies the female form.  But really, name another game where a gay man can save the universe.