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[Rokayt]

Cundu_Ertur wrote...

The locust should do only a little less than the Tempest per bullet. The Tempest is high ROF low accuracy while the Locust is high accuracy and moderate ROF.
A 25% buff to damage for the locust would still leave it with less DPS than the Tempest (and still less damage per bullet), but with better accuracy you can direct that lower damage more effectively than with the higher damage Tempest -- a much more reasonable trade-off than now. Right now, the Locust is very accurate at delivering next-to-no damage at all.

The 60% damage buff would cause it to still deal far less damage per second though....

A 50% buff would be fine if you were afraid of overbuffing it.

Modifié par Rokayt, 05 août 2012 - 07:22 .

[WaffleCrab]

Rokayt wrote...

Cundu_Ertur wrote...

The locust should do only a little less than the Tempest per bullet. The Tempest is high ROF low accuracy while the Locust is high accuracy and moderate ROF.
A 25% buff to damage for the locust would still leave it with less DPS than the Tempest (and still less damage per bullet), but with better accuracy you can direct that lower damage more effectively than with the higher damage Tempest -- a much more reasonable trade-off than now. Right now, the Locust is very accurate at delivering next-to-no damage at all.

The 60% damage buff would cause it to still deal far less damage per second though....

A 50 buff would be fine if you were afraid of overbuffing it.

that and you would still be running for ammo from time to time as it has significantly less ammo than tempest :S

[Rokayt]

WaffleCrab wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Cundu_Ertur wrote...

The locust should do only a little less than the Tempest per bullet. The Tempest is high ROF low accuracy while the Locust is high accuracy and moderate ROF.
A 25% buff to damage for the locust would still leave it with less DPS than the Tempest (and still less damage per bullet), but with better accuracy you can direct that lower damage more effectively than with the higher damage Tempest -- a much more reasonable trade-off than now. Right now, the Locust is very accurate at delivering next-to-no damage at all.

The 60% damage buff would cause it to still deal far less damage per second though....

A 50 buff would be fine if you were afraid of overbuffing it.

that and you would still be running for ammo from time to time as it has significantly less ammo than tempest :S

And needs to reload twice as often Hurting those sustained DPS scores...

However, it would be marginally better against armor, which is the only thing you would be shooting with it, obviously.

So it would be weaker with the tempest, but Hey! Its accurate at least.

[Cundu_Ertur]

The tempest wastes a fair bit of its DPS in the open air even at a moderate range. With the locust you can get head shots across even the longest map. If you don't mind lounging around in the open for a few minutes. *plinkplinkplinkplinkplink*
I did miss the clip size though, so yeah.

[Rokayt]

Cundu_Ertur wrote...

The tempest wastes a fair bit of its DPS in the open air even at a moderate range. With the locust you can get head shots across even the longest map. If you don't mind lounging around in the open for a few minutes. *plinkplinkplinkplinkplink*
I did miss the clip size though, so yeah.

Well, if standing out in the open, firing low-no damage shots at a low rate of fire with little reserve ammo wasn't inconvinient , and impractical, we would have never gotten an Eagle buff, or several.

Also, it is very easy to make none of those shots on the Tempest go to waste.

The GE, GI, Destroyer, TS, and the other TS can all fire The Tempest with near perfect accuracy, with the HVB.

Anyone else can do this too, but without the HVB (Necessitating AP Rounds, which are not that hard to come by.)

If the Tempest wasn't so easy to spec to be used as if it were a Locust, the Locust would have a role, albiet one it filled poorly.

I have added a breif section explaining how I would change the Locust to make up for its higher damage, if the buffed Locust was determined to be too strong, a 3 damge debuff would be much larger then it sounds.... Due to that being roughly 7% of the buffed locusts damage, However, a 25 RPM cut would cut the Burst DPS by as much as the 3 Damage debuff would, but it would take a much smaller sustained DPS hit from the Locust then cutting its damage down by Three

Modifié par Rokayt, 05 août 2012 - 07:21 .

[Matthias King]

I'm in favor of this. The math is great, but even without it, just through general use, it's obvious the Locust isn't half the gun it was in ME2. I don't understand what the point was of including it in ME3 if it was just going to be reduced to the level that it has.

The Locust should be second most powerful SMG, just behind the Hurricane. In the approximately 6 months between the events of ME2 and ME3, there's no way that Kassa Fabrication would have recalled every unit in the galaxy and retooled them to be...LESS effective.

Canon aside, the gun went from awesome to mediocre for no reason. Bioware needs to buff the damage output pretty significantly, period.

[DeathScepter]

Make it the same as ME2 with at least 25% Ammo capacity increase whichever is higher.

[Rokayt]

DeathScepter wrote...

Make it the same as ME2 with at least 25% Ammo capacity increase whichever is higher.

The Me2 Locust did 25 damage...... and had a 20 round capacity at 550 RPM.

Making it the same as the ME2 Locust would be nerfing it.

[ErrorTagUnknown]

jaydubs67 wrote...

A normal person with a tempest.

if that actually fired... it.... it....  man i dunno.

[ErrorTagUnknown]

PRC_Heavy_Z wrote...

that prop looks legit.

I could see someone making a body kit for a Walter P22 based off of that.

hell....  if you're going to use that as a body kit, at least pick something (or upgrade something to make it) fully automatic.

[ErrorTagUnknown]

Matthias King wrote...

I'm in favor of this. The math is great, but even without it, just through general use, it's obvious the Locust isn't half the gun it was in ME2. I don't understand what the point was of including it in ME3 if it was just going to be reduced to the level that it has.

The Locust should be second most powerful SMG, just behind the Hurricane. In the approximately 6 months between the events of ME2 and ME3, there's no way that Kassa Fabrication would have recalled every unit in the galaxy and retooled them to be...LESS effective.

Canon aside, the gun went from awesome to mediocre for no reason. Bioware needs to buff the damage output pretty significantly, period.

it's simple.  word got out "Cmdr. Sheperds team uses Kassa locusts" and suddenly everyone wanted one.  Unfortunately, Kassa couldn't keep up with demand, and outsourced the labor to a batarian run Terminus manufacturing company.   The result?  the POS we have in ME3.
there's just so many of them, and they're almost identicle, it's almost impossible for anyoen to track down an original Kassa built Kassa locust.

[Prawny]

Buff the Shuriken!

[Shadow of Terror]

Can't really nerf it or it might just start healing the enemies.

[Rokayt]

ErrorTagUnknown wrote...

Matthias King wrote...

I'm in favor of this. The math is great, but even without it, just through general use, it's obvious the Locust isn't half the gun it was in ME2. I don't understand what the point was of including it in ME3 if it was just going to be reduced to the level that it has.

The Locust should be second most powerful SMG, just behind the Hurricane. In the approximately 6 months between the events of ME2 and ME3, there's no way that Kassa Fabrication would have recalled every unit in the galaxy and retooled them to be...LESS effective.

Canon aside, the gun went from awesome to mediocre for no reason. Bioware needs to buff the damage output pretty significantly, period.

it's simple.  word got out "Cmdr. Sheperds team uses Kassa locusts" and suddenly everyone wanted one.  Unfortunately, Kassa couldn't keep up with demand, and outsourced the labor to a batarian run Terminus manufacturing company.   The result?  the POS we have in ME3.
there's just so many of them, and they're almost identicle, it's almost impossible for anyoen to track down an original Kassa built Kassa locust.

Soldiers started loading it with paint due to a rumor that was started by some crazy volus who read the Codex regarding mass accelerators.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Rokayt wrote...
Scimitar/Eviscerator
counterpart.

Uh...no.
Try Evicerator / Wraith
Kinda like:
Mattock / Harrier
Phalanx / Eagle
Widow / Black Widow
Carnifex / Paladin

[Rokayt]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Rokayt wrote...
Scimitar/Eviscerator
counterpart.

Uh...no.
Try Evicerator / Wraith
Kinda like:
Mattock / Harrier
Phalanx / Eagle
Widow / Black Widow
Carnifex / Paladin

Well, The Locust/Tempest have the same weight, and rarity, but one of them is an obvious choice.

Its very similar to the Scimitar/Eviscerator choice.

Except much worse currently.

Thus, Buff the locust, so it is at least as viable an alternitive to its counterpart as the Scimitar is to the Eviscerator.

Modifié par Rokayt, 07 août 2012 - 03:26 .

[NasChoka]

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Can't really nerf it or it might just start healing the enemies.

 Same thing with some assault rifles. 

[Rokayt]

NasChoka wrote...

Shadow of Terror wrote...

Can't really nerf it or it might just start healing the enemies.

 Same thing with some assault rifles. 

At least the assault rifles don't do more damage to your ears.

[L-train32]

Yes

[Anders028]

 Buff SMGs in general.  The only viable one is the Hurricane

[sirus1988]

I would love to see some love in the smgs' direction. would be nice to see an smg UR.. black tempest, make it so bioware!!

[Rokayt]

sirus1988 wrote...

I would love to see some love in the smgs' direction. would be nice to see an smg UR.. black tempest, make it so bioware!!

A tempest that fires 3 shots, and does 60% damage?

[xtorma]

They will never buff this weapon in any meaningful way. If you want your "I don't only ask for nerfs" certification , you need to pick a different weapon. Waste of forum space.

[Rokayt]

xtorma wrote...

They will never buff this weapon in any meaningful way. If you want your "I don't only ask for nerfs" certification , you need to pick a different weapon. Waste of forum space.

Funny.

Cause... I have done all the math needed to explain why my exact buff would be fair.

It follows the Balancers Creed.

If this isn't enough to be called a "Rational buff thread", I dont know what is.
Makes popcorn and prepares flame shield.
It most certainly isn't QQ.

Modifié par Rokayt, 08 août 2012 - 07:14 .

[Mozts]

I don't see this in the first page, bump for elections. Presidents are coming.