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[RedArmyShogun]

Evolution is phyisical.

Not mechanical.

[TJPags]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Evolution is phyisical.

Not mechanical.

Isn't it somewhat mental as well?

[RedArmyShogun]

Partially, but locking your body into a machine isn't adaption or evolving. Its prison, and kills off your species with you along and a selfish, stupid obession. Enjoy the time you have, don't freat over it and beg for more.

[Jestina]

Again, you are just trying to push your philosophical view onto everyone else. The way you perceive is just as much conjecture as everyone else's view.

[TJPags]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Partially, but locking your body into a machine isn't adaption or evolving. Its prison, and kills off your species with you along and a selfish, stupid obession. Enjoy the time you have, don't freat over it and beg for more.

How does it kill your species?

And why is it selfish?  Wouldn't it be wonderful if people like Plato, Aristotle, Einstein, Newton, could still be alive?  If Steven Hawking could like forever?

[Jestina]

Alan Turing would be appropriate for this debate. As for evolving, technology does evolve. If technology never evolved, we'd be running naked through a jungle or something instead of posting messages on this forum.

[TJPags]

I don't know.  Running naked through a jungle has a certain appeal to it. 

[Rockworm503]

Its all moot anyone cause as someone said earlier in this thread that only the high society will most likely be able to see it in our lifetime and I doubt it will be viable even then.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Meh give it long enough, someone will kill them all. Someone like.... << >>

But yes. I'll buy this **** when flying cars are pratical, and water and food is freely found for all.

Hell as far as bongo claims from "scientists" *coughquackscough* goes I should have been born on the Moon and planes should have props bigger than them.

So True.

android654 wrote...

Erik Lehnsherr wrote...

We solely exist as we are now, if our goal is to extend ourselves so that we may create more art, achieve more beauty in the world. Then why not? 

All your mind, who you are, exists in a electrical format within your Brain. 

To transfer this in an everlasting machine would be the next step in our evolution.

We evolve and advance through machines, it's only natural that one day, we become them too. 

This made me smile.

Synthesis is accepted among the BSN cult of machine it seems.

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Well I prefer to see more food enhancement, transportation (earth and space) and amusement innovations rather than creating VIs for the rich 

[RAF1940]

Elton John is dead wrote...
What's with all the scientists lately?

"We'll be living on Mars in 2025."

"We'll have developed robots that act like humans by 2030."

"We will be holograms by 2045."

These aren't scientists. They're acting irrational and mad.

[Inquisitor Recon]

But what happens in the event of a human-robot war whose side am I on?

[Eternal Phoenix]

TJPags wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Partially, but locking your body into a machine isn't adaption or evolving. Its prison, and kills off your species with you along and a selfish, stupid obession. Enjoy the time you have, don't freat over it and beg for more.

How does it kill your species?

And why is it selfish?  Wouldn't it be wonderful if people like Plato, Aristotle, Einstein, Newton, could still be alive?  If Steven Hawking could like forever?

Immortality? Eh.

Would immortality be only saved for the select rich few?

Eventually they would become this world's gods.

No thanks. No human is greater than another human.

Unless you propose that everyone and anyone can become an immortal robot?

In which case we end up with an over-populated earth.

Yeah good luck with that.

Death is natural, death is the cycle, death is beautiful and it shouldn't be feared but rather embraced.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 04 août 2012 - 08:22 .

[Costin_Razvan]

In which case we end up with an over-populated earth.

Actually how would we reproduce if this happens?

[TJPags]

Elton John is dead wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Confess-A-Bear wrote...

Partially, but locking your body into a machine isn't adaption or evolving. Its prison, and kills off your species with you along and a selfish, stupid obession. Enjoy the time you have, don't freat over it and beg for more.

How does it kill your species?

And why is it selfish?  Wouldn't it be wonderful if people like Plato, Aristotle, Einstein, Newton, could still be alive?  If Steven Hawking could like forever?

Immortality? Eh.

Would immortality be only saved for the select rich few?

Eventually they would become this world's gods.

No thanks. No human is greater than another human.

Unless you propose that everyone and anyone can become an immortal robot?

In which case we end up with an over-populated earth.

Yeah good luck with that.

Death is natural, death is the cycle, death is beautiful and it shouldn't be feared but rather embraced.

Always people make the assumption that "only the rich" will get things.

First, this likely won't come to pass.  As someone upthread - perhaps even you, Elton - said, there have been so many predictions through the years by scientists:  Hover cars, colonies on the moon, 'smart houses', etc.  Some certainly are coming, some are even here:

radios were a new concept (I doubt anyone here remembers big, huge things in the center of a room - I sure don't); how many do you have right now?

Television was a new concept: big black and white monstrosities with a 12 inch screen.  Now, see all the plasmas?  I'm watching a 61 inch tv right now.  How many tv's are in your house? 

Computers - does anyone here remember the TRS-80 or Commodore-64?  The idea of a hard drive back then was a joke.  And portable?  Please.

All of these were once "just for the rich".  Hell, cars were once a thing "just for the rich", as were cameras, cell phones, and even clocks.

The point - make something, make it work well, and someone somewhere will find a way to make it affordable.  Sure, it may not be as great as the top model - compare a honda and a lambourghini.  But a Honda works, works well, and just about everyone can afford one (even if it's used).

I can't imagine robot bodies needing food, or procreating - so overpopulation may not be as big a problem as you think.  Perhaps overcrowding, but again . . . how much room does a robot need?

Sure, death is natural, and I for one have no fear of it.  But it's human nature to want to improve, extend, to know the unknown.  Why else have we made the discoveries we have?  Defeating death, some would argue, is the ultimate challenge, and I for one see no reason we shouldn't try to do so.

[android654]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

In which case we end up with an over-populated earth.

Actually how would we reproduce if this happens?

Because synthesizing, incubating and replicating genetic material isn't something that's being throughly researched... <_<

Not only will there always be a need for organic humans in order to extend their lives, but "test tube" babies will become more and more common place in the decades to come. We'll always make more people.

[RedArmyShogun]

android654 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

In which case we end up with an over-populated earth.

Actually how would we reproduce if this happens?

Because synthesizing, incubating and replicating genetic material isn't something that's being throughly researched... <_<

Not only will there always be a need for organic humans in order to extend their lives, but "test tube" babies will become more and more common place in the decades to come. We'll always make more people.

No all you will make is perversions and abominations. Not to mention slaves for the "upkeep" and that will not stand.

Modifié par Confess-A-Bear, 04 août 2012 - 03:09 .

[Blacklash93]

Is true immortality even possible? Taking out age just guarantees that at some point something will come and mess you up and you will fail to adapt and be destroyed. Being ageless isn't the same as being beyond mortality.

[android654]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Is true immortality even possible? Taking out age just guarantees that at some point something will come and mess you up and you will fail to adapt and be destroyed. Being ageless isn't the same as being beyond mortality.

It's called baby steps. We didn't just invent the internet one day. Face to face communication, letters, radios, telephones... See where I'm going witht this?

[Ziegrif]

Hell yes I'd be up for it!
I wanna live frigging forever!
If that means becoming Geth I'm all for it!

[Costin_Razvan]

android654 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

In which case we end up with an over-populated earth.

Actually how would we reproduce if this happens?

Because synthesizing, incubating and replicating genetic material isn't something that's being throughly researched... <_<

Not only will there always be a need for organic humans in order to extend their lives, but "test tube" babies will become more and more common place in the decades to come. We'll always make more people.

What you're proposing is unethical and illegal in many countries.

[android654]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

android654 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

In which case we end up with an over-populated earth.

Actually how would we reproduce if this happens?

Because synthesizing, incubating and replicating genetic material isn't something that's being throughly researched... <_<

Not only will there always be a need for organic humans in order to extend their lives, but "test tube" babies will become more and more common place in the decades to come. We'll always make more people.

What you're proposing is unethical and illegal in many countries.

Ethics are rooted in perspective, and legalities concerning medicine and science change with the needs and progression of the science. "Test tube" babies are legal in most industrialized nations and synthesis and replicating studies of genetic material are taking place in universities in the U.S.A., Canada, The U.K., Japan, China, etc. It's a science the world's superpowers want to be investigated. On that alone, we're gauranteed a time period where synthetic life will be a norm. The question now is when.

Edit:
I just can't wait unitl we can purchase implants like these.

Modifié par android654, 04 août 2012 - 05:59 .

[tklivory]

I've always harbored the thought that the true Space Diaspora would be impossible without modifications to our bodies (of varying levels). Ethics will always change according to the shifts of society, and knowing where we'll be when the eyes Android posted are possible (or, for example, the kind of body modification hinted at in DE:HR) is difficult to judge from here. Perhaps in one hundred years, people of the era will accept body modification so readily that blindness would be eliminated (as one example).

Anyway, our bodies are made/designed/evolved to fit Terran conditions. At some point, we will outgrow adequate resources in the planet (what the point is, of course, is widely debated) and need to either institute measures viewed as draconian by many currently in charge (Chinese birth rations, anyone?) or we will outgrow Earth and move on. So the huge battle o' ethics is yet to come...