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[Brovikk Rasputin]

Oh, and just read Chris' post. THANK YOU!

[AlanC9]

ld1449 wrote...
To be honest, I normally would agree except for the fact that with the ending this game currently has, the film Wall-E has more artistry than Mass Effect 3.

For this to work as a knock on ME3, you need to use a worse film. 

[WhereEternityEnds]

I'm sorry Bioware, but I'm afraid your lies speak louder than both ending haters and ending proponents alike. Why should I support developers who don't support the customer?

[Kel Riever]

It isn't that they are ignoring the feedback. It is that there isn't going to be any changes to the ending. Which is full of fail-face and could be changed at any time, but right now, they're saying 'forever.'

But damn if it isn't fun making fun of BioWare deciding to stick to its guns rather than have a good ending. Because sucking and sticking to your guns > doing a good job. GOT IT!

Anyway, it still isn' the mods fault. I mean unless you are going to blanket everyone at BioWare for the endings. I just think that is a mistake given there are plenty of great parts of even ME 3 that would have been recognized as great if it weren't for the idiot ending.

[ld1449]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The people who dislike the endings are not in the majority. Stop making things up.

You jest.

Nope its Brovikk. He thoroughly believes his own bull****

[F4H bandicoot]

ld1449 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The people who dislike the endings are not in the majority. Stop making things up.

You jest.

Nope its Brovikk. He thoroughly believes his own bull****

I know.

[hoodaticus]

AlanC9 wrote...

praudmur wrote...
But one thing - there are so many people who hate Bioware and this will affect the money Bioware gains from DLC. That's for certain.

Agreed. But this problem is not soluble.

Perhaps you should try dissolving it in a universal solvent, like water?

[shepdog77]

ld1449 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The people who dislike the endings are not in the majority. Stop making things up.

You jest.

Nope its Brovikk. He thoroughly believes his own bull****

Or he could be right.  Just a thought.  You afraid to be in a minority?

Modifié par shepdog77, 03 août 2012 - 11:38 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

ld1449 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The people who dislike the endings are not in the majority. Stop making things up.

You jest.

Nope its Brovikk. He thoroughly believes his own bull****

Oh look, it's this guy again. How about adding to the thread, instead of throwing insults my way?

[ld1449]

AlanC9 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...
To be honest, I normally would agree except for the fact that with the ending this game currently has, the film Wall-E has more artistry than Mass Effect 3.

For this to work as a knock on ME3, you need to use a worse film. 

I say it mainly because Wall-E from what I understand started out as a joke between two people at Pixar, saying that soon everyone was gonna be fat because they would have robots doing all the hard labor.

If they could craft a story like that out of a JOKE, Mass Effect 3, which was supposed to be a serious story medium, falling woefully short of it is just plain old sad.

[ld1449]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The people who dislike the endings are not in the majority. Stop making things up.

You jest.

Nope its Brovikk. He thoroughly believes his own bull****

Oh look, it's this guy again. How about adding to the thread, instead of throwing insults my way?

How bout u do the same for once

[MegaSovereign]

Solotalento wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".

Not to be mean or offensive, but I do hope you get fired and there will be an ending the mass effect series deserves.

That was uncalled for. He manages community events and moderates the forum. He doesn't develop the game.

[hoodaticus]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Solotalento wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".

Not to be mean or offensive, but I do hope you get fired and there will be an ending the mass effect series deserves.

Not Cool man.

This.  I hope he gets banned for making a personal attack on Bioware staff, and for being a ****hole.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 03 août 2012 - 11:42 .

[The Twilight God]

I've only encountered 2 type sof people.

1. People who do not like the endings (both vocal & non-vocal, both ppl who care and ppl who don't)
2. People who \\wWill not play or complete the game because they've heard so much bad stuff about the ending they don't want to face it.

I have yet to encounter anyone who thought the ending was handled well.

[Memnon]

shepdog77 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The people who dislike the endings are not in the majority. Stop making things up.

You jest.

Nope its Brovikk. He thoroughly believes his own bull****

Or he could be right.  Just a thought.  You afraid to be in a minority?

Can't speak for anyone else, but I have no problem being in the minority and have said so many times. I've been a BW fan for a decade and a half and have gladly thrown money at them during that time frame for CEs, DLCs, etc. I hated the endings - don't care if I'm in the minority or not, I'm not preordering anything anymore, not buying CEs anymore, and avoiding anything in the ME universe. I'm sure I'll come back, but hey ... maybe I'm no longer their target demographic, and if that's the case then I'll gladly move on 

[ld1449]

shepdog77 wrote...

Or he could be right.  Just a thought.  You afraid to be in a minority?

What's there to be afraid of, being wrong? Please. I'm wrong all the time.

I recall this one point six or seven months ago I said Mass Effect 3 was gonna be great.

Kinda thought the same thing about DA2

And there was this one bit about...what was it now, Republic something...hmmm.

Modifié par ld1449, 03 août 2012 - 11:43 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

ld1449 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The people who dislike the endings are not in the majority. Stop making things up.

You jest.

Nope its Brovikk. He thoroughly believes his own bull****

Oh look, it's this guy again. How about adding to the thread, instead of throwing insults my way?

How bout u do the same for once

Either send me a PM, or stop spamming in here. 

[MerchantGOL]

The Twilight God wrote...

I've only encountered 2 type sof people.

1. People who do not like the endings (both vocal & non-vocal, both ppl who care and ppl who don't)
2. People who wWill not play or complete the game because they've heard so much bad stuff about the ending they don't want to face it.

I have yet to encounter anyone who thought the ending was handled well.

Hi.

[Teneroth]

Ozida wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

sonicphoto wrote...
Its really silly that people still think that our complains are because of a happy ending,

No its not  their allot of people  sayign "i Want a Happy ending were shepard dosent die and i can have babies and picnics like in my  fanfiction"

I am one of those people who wants a happy-ending. Problems? Deal with it.

I've been wanting to talk about happy endings for a while... and so thanks Ozi, Im going to use this as an excuse to rant some more.

For some reason people thing 'sad' endings are 'arty' but this is not the case for video games. While it can make a decent movie or book, and is typically used to draw a line under a series and end it, it doesn't work as well in video games, especially not RPGs. Why? because of a fundemental difference betwee books/movies and games.

That difference, is the perspective of the viewer. In a book or movie, you are almost always some unknown 3rd party, simply observing the actions of the story. We assume we are in that world, but not taking part in the story directly. Take stargate, one of my favorite series. When O'Neill made sacrfices in that show, and he does, I thought 'he sacrificed to save me.' I am not O'Neill, because i have no control over what he does, i am a 3rd party. 

However, in games, like mass effect, the viewer takes the point of view of one of the characters. When people talk about a difficult part in the game they say 'I just kept getting killed' not 'Shepard just kept getting killed.' We are an identified 1st person, controling and influencing the story. Therefore, when we die in game as part of the story we get the feel like we died. However, if there is no way to avoid dieing, no 'good' ending, we are thrown out of the character and instead of us running and saving the galaxy with some heroic sacrifice, Shepard does it. This is why I prefer the refuse ending to the other three, because it feels like I am making the decision, like I could do something more to save the galaxy. Not Shepard doing it. 

Therefore, in games a happy ending is one in which the player ends up happy, and a sad ending is one in which the player ends up sad. But with no contrast, without a happy and sad ending, a sad ending alone removes us from the experiance. A happy ending can hold up on its own, because there are always 'sad' endings, where the final boss kills shepard, or something, so we still get a sense of accomplishment because we still saved the galaxy. But in this we don't feel like we overcame tremendous odds to save the galaxy, it feels like we failed somewhere and have to commit some warcrime to undo it. But we didn't mess up, so you are punishing success. 

[MegaSovereign]

MerchantGOL wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

I've only encountered 2 type sof people.

1. People who do not like the endings (both vocal & non-vocal, both ppl who care and ppl who don't)
2. People who wWill not play or complete the game because they've heard so much bad stuff about the ending they don't want to face it.

I have yet to encounter anyone who thought the ending was handled well.

Hi.

Well played. Haha

[vurtual3]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

TookYoCookies wrote...
 

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

I despised the ending, however I do know some people who genuinely liked it so do not use the term "majority" instead use "quite a few" or something similar.

Nah. Majority of people hated the ending. A Majority of people with IQ's under 70 loved the ending. A MAJORITY of fans should get a better ending, or be given the mod tools to make one ourselves. The people who like the ending currently, would have been happy with whatever piece of sh*t they were given as long as it had Mass Effect's name on it.

Amen brother, just tell it like it is

Or maybe the people who overall liked the endings kind of understood them? Maybe the people who think they somehow deserve a better ending actually either couldn't deal with the concepts/choices intellectually and/or couldn't deal with a video game character reaching the end of their journey emotionally due to being somewhat emotionally retarded. Please note this is only a theory(a bit like your IQ<70 thing). It would need evidence to support it,I don't know maybe if people who hated the endings did something like completely disown  a game,stated they wouldn't play it ever again/buy dlc etc but still felt the need to spend much time on said games forums for months after release annoying the f*ck out of people who did like the game that would lend some weight to the theory.

[SMichelle]

Solotalento wrote...



have a female friend that works in a bar. Shes nice and I like her, but shes terrible at her job. Why wouldnt I wish for her to be fired and find something that suits her better. (though it would be nicer to just quit herself)

Because being fired is bad and makes the person fired feel bad.  And wishing someone was fired - well, that makes you bad. 

To sum up:

Wishing your friend would quit - okay.  
 
Wishing your friend would be fired - bad. 

[JamesFaith]

The Twilight God wrote...

I've only encountered 2 type sof people.

1. People who do not like the endings (both vocal & non-vocal, both ppl who care and ppl who don't)
2. People who wWill not play or complete the game because they've heard so much bad stuff about the ending they don't want to face it.

I have yet to encounter anyone who thought the ending was handled well.

I like them. Nice to meet you.

[Siripho]

Teneroth wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".

first off: vocal* About* 
now that my inne grammer **** feels better....

So... basically what you're saying is that you're going to ignore half the feedback on your own forums simply because you believe it to be a vocal minority? Never thought I'd ever have to tell anyone this, but if you are going to outright ignore a signifigant amount of feedback for any reason you had better have a good reason for it. There are dozens of threads as to why we think this ending is bad, tens of fan written endings that are BETTER, as agreed by many of the same people. Saying that these people who obviously so loved your games that they are trying to help you are little more then overly whiny brats (which, lets face it, is what people mean when they referance a 'vocal minority') can never help the situation.

What you are doing here is punishing, if not outright alienating, your most dedicated fan base. And, until this whole ending fiasco, I was part of that. I was upset by DA2, but I trusted that it would lead up to a great game in DA3. I figured you had to rush ME3 out the door and, as such, gave it a poor ending. But now all you've done is polished that poor ending and are telling me, someone who pre-ordered or first day purchased bioware games for years, that I am wrong, whiney and that you are going to ignore my feedback.

The only reason that I am still posting here is because I know bioware can make good games, with good endings, I even did most of the work for you in rewriting the ending (see link in siggy). And I assure you that I am not the only one who has tried to help. then, after all my hard work, passion, and care to the future of your company you tell me that, because I'm TOO vocal, you're going to ignore me? I've already cancled my SWTOR sub over this, decided to not pre-order or first day purchase from you till this was fixed. I've been trying to avoid becoming outright hostile, but... if this is how you are going to reward my loyalty as a customer... then I'll go elsewhere. 

Oh. Dear. Me.

A word of advice. When being pleasant and supercillious enough to correct another poster's grammer (by which you actually mean 'spelling') be certain that one's own is correct.

I'll let you find it.

Modifié par Siripho, 03 août 2012 - 11:47 .

[xxBabyMonkeyxx]

As much as I want to say you're right, you're not. We aren't the majority anymore. If anything, the people who still don't like the ending are in the minority. Unfortunate but true. Go look anywhere besides BSN and you'll see that people like the endings now. Best thing to do is just to distance yourself away from Mass Effect right now. At least until you get the stomach to play ME3 again.