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[Lwyn]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Wow. Just. Wow. Thread started somewhat reasonable and has now degenerated into :facepalm:

* I get it. Some people like the endings as they stand. Fine. Enjoy them.

* Some people don't like the endings, but I think that thing have gotten way out of hand here.

End the name calling. I'm tired of it. It's why we can't have nice things. While I'm not enamored with Starbrat and his spiel, we're stuck with it.

* I have no gripe with Control, Synthesis, or Refuse. Dead Shepards get closure. My gripe is with 6 fracking seconds in Destroy -- it's a cliffhanger -- this gets "speculations" and no closure except a head canon.

If it wasn't for this I'd be fine with it. I think we'd all pretty much be fine with it. It might not be the perfect ending we all wanted, but we could live with it.

Gamble said they're not going to "change" the ending. "Change" is in quotes in his tweet. Something is up. What Priestly is saying is that the team is not writing anything that is ending focused, and that they're committed to writing Leviathan right now and further DLC. This means that they are not going to "change" in quotes the ending. Again, something is up.

Maybe some speculations will be answered after all without "changing" the ending.

I want to see what is up. So I'll wait and view the forums after the DLC is released and if this is a "OMG you've got to play this! It does xxxxxxxx" That's one thing. That xxxxxxxx could make it worth getting.

We might be sharing a boat here. Those are the things that need to crop up in the forums for me to even consider buying this.
Still, I'm extremely worried that they try to foreshadow and justify the Catalyst somehow instead sidelining him as much as possible.

[Nightwriter]

IsaacShep wrote...

To those who still don't like the endings. Why is that?

The Catalyst is still in there.

I still must die, unless EDI and the geth die. Main issue. I wanted the option for an uplifting ending. I think I earned it.

[MerchantGOL]

Nightwriter wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

To those who still don't like the endings. Why is that?

The Catalyst is still in there.

I still must die, unless EDI and the geth die. Main issue. I wanted the option for an uplifting ending. I think I earned it.

you didn't earn any thign you played a game

[GreyLycanTrope]

IsaacShep wrote...

To those who still don't like the endings. Why is that?

As Taboo put it: "All of the endings have fascist aesthetics" I don't much care for an ends justifies the means mentality, my Shepard certainly didn't perscribe to the brutal calculus mindframe.

[Memnon]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

The Catalyst is still in there.

I still must die, unless EDI and the geth die. Main issue. I wanted the option for an uplifting ending. I think I earned it.

But why does Shepard have to live for it to be uplifting? One could argue for Shepard's death being uplifting as well.

Can only speak for myself (I seem to start a lot of my posts with that statement lately), but I did go into ME3 half-expecting that Shepard would die in a hero's sacrifice at the end. I was sort of bracing myself for it the entire game ... I've no issue with heroic sacrifice, my personal issue with the end is that the sacrifice seemed forced. It was like the game was telling me I had to die because I had to die. I didn't feel like Tassadar crashing into the Overmind or the Gray Warden absorbing the soul of the arch demon. It felt cheap, it felt rushed, and it just felt wrong ... 

Again, all my own opinion

Modifié par Stornskar, 04 août 2012 - 03:13 .

[MerchantGOL]

Really you thought it was more forced then DA:O

[SMichelle]

SHARXTREME wrote...


1. Strange. Do you want to say that when forums are filled with positive/negative feedback it really says nothing?

2. That's not a sacrifice. Sacrifice is made on personal/individual level. When you (are forced to) choose to kill entire species, that's not sacrifice for "greater good", that's genocide for greater "good"?.
Synthesis is made to look like Rainbow ending. But it stinks like enforcement of Catalyst's demented ideals, it walks and talks like Catalyst. 
I didn't want rainbow ending, just a logical and not genocidal one. Doesn't matter how it ends, but to force Shepard to play God, play Hitler, or kill two entire races of sentient beings instead of his only enemy, that's just wrong. 

3. Yeah, "GTFO from my wallet" is valid when customer says it, but when developer says to "move on" that's just not to comprehend.

Wow!  14 pages to Godwin.  I think that is a record when talking about the endings.

You, my good sir, win 1 internetz and a cookie.

[What a Succulent Ass]

It seems like people on this forum misunderstand Godwin's Law.

[Memnon]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Really you thought it was more forced then DA:O

I felt DA:O was forced, but the Warden's sacrifice had been subtly hinted at most of the game ... but yes, I felt that was forced. But at least they gave me a moment of levity as I convinced Alistair to sleep with Morrigan. And yes, I felt ME3 was even more forced than that ...

Modifié par Stornskar, 04 août 2012 - 03:02 .

[shepskisaac]

Nightwriter wrote...

I wanted the option for an uplifting ending. I think I earned it.

So let's be honest, is about dancing Ewoks ending? Well, I get it. I like happy endings too. But non-100%-happy-ending doesn't mean it's a bad ending.

MerchantGOL wrote...

you didn't earn any thign you played a game

What? I don't understand.

Greylycantrope wrote...
I don't much care for an ends justifies the means mentality, my Shepard certainly didn't perscribe to the brutal calculus mindframe.

Then why ain't you picking Control. Sacrifice your body to save every single being. Simple.

[MerchantGOL]

[quote]IsaacShep wrote...


you didn't earn any thign you played a game[/quote]What? I don't understand.

[/quote]To say you earned any thing is a videogame is  bull, its a game its entertianment, you didnt earn or deserve any thing

[SMichelle]

IsaacShep wrote...

To those who still don't like the endings. Why is that?

Because they don't make me feel ,  or  but instead I'm left feeling .

I don't like everything after the elevator of light.  Okay.  I also don't like how Shepard somehow survives a Reaper beam attack.  I wouldn't mind Shepard dying to stop the Reapers - I just want to feel like that death makes sense.

I don't like the Catalyst.  I don't understand why Shepard couldn't push a button to activate the thing.  What...she has to dive into a green beam, grab 2 blue electrified rods, or shoot a red tube - who designed this thing?

Alas, I could go on, but it's late and I'm tired.

[Mello]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Really you thought it was more forced then DA:O

At least you get an option to live or die. Mass Effect 3:
 Green:  You die.
Blue Low EMS: You die.
Blue High EMS: You die.
Red Low EMS: You die.
Red Medium EMS: You die.
Red High EMS: You die. 
Refusal: You're gonna die.  You and everyone else dies.
And i don't wanna hear " What about the last air scene? " If i don't see shepard up, walking, and throwing the brofist in the air she/he is dead to me. 

Modifié par iPoohCupCakes, 04 août 2012 - 03:15 .

[Iakus]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

The Catalyst is still in there.

I still must die, unless EDI and the geth die. Main issue. I wanted the option for an uplifting ending. I think I earned it.

But why does Shepard have to live for it to be uplifting? One could argue for Shepard's death being uplifting as well.

Sure dead heroes can be uplifting,  But there are people who like to see the hero succeed and live to tell the tale.  We should have the option for either, depending on preference.  As Nightwriter said, we've earned it.  

[Ithurael]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".

AAAANNNDD IT is Dead

Can we move the IT discussion to the Fan Creations secion? IT REQUIRES a new ending. That is why it was popular with the fanbase.

[shepskisaac]

Urhm ,but Shep survives in best Destroy

[SHARXTREME]

Greylycantrope wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

To those who still don't like the endings. Why is that?

As Taboo put it: "All of the endings have fascist aesthetics" I don't much care for an ends justifies the means mentality, my Shepard certainly didn't perscribe to the brutal calculus mindframe.

This is exactly it. Bioware is saying that you can only finish the game if you are ready to commit genocide, or  force everyone and everything to merge in galactic ideological soup, or to play god-slavemaster role on galaxy level or just quit. 

Plus, the ending ripped so many holes in the story of ME that changed it from SF RPG to nothing. No RPG and no SF.
Everything that you have done, every choice and decision made means nothing the second that Catalyst walks in the game. Because everybody gets the same ending and same choices(don't mention EMS thing, because it means nothing. you can obviously get it by playing MP).
 

 

[SMichelle]

Random Jerkface wrote...

It seems like people on this forum misunderstand Godwin's Law.

A term that originated on Usenet, Godwin's Law states that as an online argument grows longer and more heated, it becomes increasingly likely that somebody will bring up Adolf Hitler or the ****s.


Pretty self-explanatory. 

[Iakus]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Really you thought it was more forced then DA:O

At least you get an option to live or die. Mass Effect 3:
Red: You die.
Blue: You die. 
Green: You die.
Refusal: You're gonna die. 
And i don't wanna hear " What about the last air scene? " If i don't see shepard up, walking, and throwing the brofist in the air she/he is dead to me. 

Actually, it's 

Green:  You die
Blue Low EMS: You die
Blue High EMS: You die
Red Low EMS: You die
Red Medium EMS: You die
Red High EMS: You die
Refuse:  You and everyone else dies

Red 3100+ EMS  We'll let you head canon you live

But yeah, until SHep gets out of that rubble, Bioware's not selling anyhting I'm interested in.

[Iakus]

IsaacShep wrote...

Urhm ,but Shep survives in best Destroy

Bioware gives you "a ray of hope" in 3100+ EMS Destroy.  That's not the same thing.  Bioware's basically giving you wiggle room to let you head canon Shepard lives.  But it's all "speculation"  Compare that to Shepard climbing out of the rubble in ME1, or the run back to the Normandy in ME2.  

Plus in every other ending, every one, SHepard dies.  Full stop.  there's not a single ending that definitely statees Shepard lives.

[chemiclord]

EntropicAngel wrote...

The point is, "uplifting" is subjective. You can't use subjective terms in an objective context.

We should have the option for either? I don't agree. A story is being told here, and the storywriter have complete say over how it goes. I may not like it, but that doesn't mean I get to change it to what I want it to be. it ceases to be the writer's story, and becomes my story. Without me having to go through the blood, sweat, and tears to get to this point in the story, I'd be pretty d*mn...well, I'll stop. But you see my point.

No, they don't.  And that's the problem.

They claim it's "their story"... until prompted to make it so.  Then they whine that they shouldn't have to make their own story to conclude it.

[Mello]

iakus wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Really you thought it was more forced then DA:O

At least you get an option to live or die. Mass Effect 3:
Red: You die.
Blue: You die. 
Green: You die.
Refusal: You're gonna die. 
And i don't wanna hear " What about the last air scene? " If i don't see shepard up, walking, and throwing the brofist in the air she/he is dead to me. 

Actually, it's 

Green:  You die
Blue Low EMS: You die
Blue High EMS: You die
Red Low EMS: You die
Red Medium EMS: You die
Red High EMS: You die
Refuse:  You and everyone else dies

Red 3100+ EMS  We'll let you head canon you live

But yeah, until SHep gets out of that rubble, Bioware's not selling anyhting I'm interested in.

Ah, thank you i edited my post good sir.