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[Wolf]

Nightwriter wrote...

A dancing Ewoks ending would've felt extremely inappropriate, given the scale of the loss the galaxy had suffered. You don't dance while you're still bleeding and there are corpses on the ground.

But you do salute your comrades. You do clasp them on the shoulder. You do meet their eye and let the fact that you both survived and won sink in.

That was exactly the ending I was expecting for getting all War Assets before the game's release. An ending that depicts the state of the galaxy after the Reaper War, like in Destroy, but with the player getting different variations depending on the ammount of War Assets collected and decisions made. 

And since the Catalyst has to be there this would be a Destroy and Refusal-only option. Likely the latter.

[Iakus]

EntropicAngel wrote...

You have a point. But then, one comes to the crossroads between the story and the player agency, which will be greater.

I've never know a choose-your-adventure book to let you choose the after-the-story outcome of the PC(s) They'll let you choose whether you solve it, and how you solve, but what heppens afterwards is out of the player's hands.

I would argue that the story of mass effect ends with the resolution of the Reaper threat, since that is the basis.

Ah, but the Mass Effect trilogy was called "Shepard's Story" by the developers.  So while the main stroy does end with the Reaper resolution, Shepard's fate is still an important part of the story.  Thus whether Shepard lives or dies is still an important detail.

I can understand not wanting to go into detail afterwards, since there's so many possibilities.  But there should have been multiple Shepard alive/dead variations to use as jumpin-off points.  Not one ambiguous "alive" point and  a half dozen dead ones.

[The Twilight God]

JamesFaith wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

I've only encountered 2 type sof people.

1. People who do not like the endings (both vocal & non-vocal, both ppl who care and ppl who don't)
2. People who wWill not play or complete the game because they've heard so much bad stuff about the ending they don't want to face it.

I have yet to encounter anyone who thought the ending was handled well.

I like them. Nice to meet you.

We've never meet. Still haven't.

[shepskisaac]

SMichelle wrote...

Really, what are the chances she survives her wounds until rescue?

What are the chances Shep survives a fall into atmosphere and then the rescue comes within few hours that remain till his brain cells die completly and even Project Lazarus shouldn't be able to revive them? What are the chances Shep survives Harby's beam that MELTS METAL ON HIS ARMOR? This is a space opera people, seriously

[Yakko77]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".

Then there are not any more planned SP DLC purchases from this fan.  Yes, I am a fan, a hardcore fan who loves Mass Effect.  No, seriously, Mass Effect is THE game of games for me.  I love other games too like Fallout 3, Skyrim, Dead Space 1 & 2, Saints Row 2 & 3, Halo, Dead Island, Hunted, Dragon Age 1 & 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Star Wars TOR, etc. but Mass Effect is the scale by which each is measured.  I am a fan who expected the game finish to live up to the excellence of the previous games of the franchise which was epic in scale thankfully yet hard to live up to but I hoped BW was up to it and thankfully they were... until the last 10 minutes.  Truly, ME3 was 9.0 - 9.5 until the last 10 minutes IMO.  BW can cling to "artistic integrity" all it wants but what what BW makes is a product for consumers and the product was a unsatisfactory and a failure with the orginal ending and "promoted" to just barely acceptable with EC.  Destroying the Reapers is forced to have a consequence that was never even remotely hinted or suggestd at having until the last 10 minutes of ME3.  Synthesis came out of nowhere and the new Reject Ending is still in effect a middle finger to those who disliked the lack of exchange with the Star Child.

Why, WHY is it too much to ask for a simple happy ending with my Shep reuniting with my LI at the end of Destroy... oh yeah, then there'd be no reason for Synthesis to be "preferred" by Star Brat (i.e. the writers who wrote that disaster of a ending choice).  Honestly, there's a YT vid which COMPLETELY edits out everything with the star child and it's AWESOME!!!!  No need for a Star Wars medal ceremony... just a reunion with squad or at least the LI, a grasping of hands, a hug, a kiss.... the end.  Was that so hard?  Apparently so.  Pity.  I thought BW was better.  Now every new BW purchase will no longer be a day one purchase.  I will wait until I hear/read MULTIPLE reviews that at least suggest it's not a disaster as far as writing goes which is sad considering how epic other BW games were and were the sole reason I even bought a xbox for KOTOR and a xbox360 for ME1.

I've boycotted DLC from BW before when it came to Pinnacle Station.  I can do it again with Leviathan with this DLC if indeed it offers no more than an extra line of chat with Star Brat and/or an extra slide in the EC ending.  Though it would be spoiler, I will NOT purchase this DLC without proof that Destroy "Good" ending is given a satisfactory ending that has definitive answers and a actual conclusion... not some ambiguous at best gasp of air scene and Sheps name not being put on a wall.  Video games are a VISUAL medium.  At least predend you know how to accomodate that BW.  We shouldn't have to "head cannon" but sadly that what many other fans (and yes, they are fans or else they wouldn't be this upset) are currently forced into.

BW, your fans expect better not becuase they're spoiled or entitled but because BW developed a reputaion of being the best.  You did NOT live up to that repuation with the ME3 ending, even with EC.  Face it,deal with it,  FIX IT!!!!

Modifié par Yakko77, 04 août 2012 - 03:38 .

[SC_Jorgie]

The real problem here is that Bioware created an impossible task. They created a Big Bad Enemy that was unstoppable through any conventional means, immediately alienating all those that want to do what no species has ever done before, just because they're special - "I see you have Shepard with you, I must explode now."

The solution therefore had to be unconventional. A deus ex machina. Whether it's falling to the common cold, transmission of a computer virus, or trapping an AI in a logic loop, it's been done. Is Bioware's solution great? No. Is is OK? Yes. I believe it's an acceptable ending.

The biggest thing, however, is that I have yet to see a better ending suggested by any fan. Different, yes. But not better. Different works for those pulling for that ending. It's a real meh for everyone else. I'd rather see Bioware take the time to flesh out the story they did write, through DLC, than spend time pursuing more endings that still won't please everyone.

Modifié par SC_Jorgie, 04 août 2012 - 03:35 .

[OMTING52601]

IsaacShep wrote...
No. Bioware uses the utter basic & simple storytelling method we've seen about 1387249217498234 times in cinema in the past 100 years or so to tell us "yay, hero managed to survive! he will get his wounds treated and will live happily ever after!". Even the freaking movie file is called "ShepardLives.bik".

Sorry, but anyone who tries to argue that scene does it with the sole purpouse of just whining some more about the endings.

Meh, anyone who tries to argue Shep died simply didn't muck about in their console game's files trying to find it's name. Moreover, they shouldn't have to. The only reason to leave that kind of crap open ended - without clear resolution - is if they intend to do a sequel. Since there's been exactly 1387249217498234 statements made by BW that there will be no more Shepard anything... I'd say folks who say, "It was Shep's last gasp," aren't any farther off the mark than those who repeatedly point out the file name says Shep lives. For all you know, it was originally Shepardlivesforasecond but it was too long to be supported And before you dive off the board, I am teasing you.

Still don't understand why you are so upset about it, though, and I'm not being a jerk either. So for you, Shep lives and you can make up whatever HEA you want. For other folks, not so much. Even stevens, per se.

As an aside, I do enjoy watching the debates. Even if I don't have a horse in the race.

Modifié par OMTING52601, 04 août 2012 - 03:36 .

[shepskisaac]

Yakko77 wrote...

Why, WHY is it too much to ask for a simple happy ending with my Shep reuniting with my LI at the end of Destroy... oh yeah, then there'd be no reason for Synthesis to be "preferred" by Star Brat

A reunion sex with Liara would make the Catalyst suggest to Shep to pick Destroy option? :huh:

Modifié par IsaacShep, 04 août 2012 - 03:36 .

[Nightwriter]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

The Catalyst is still in there.

I still must die, unless EDI and the geth die. Main issue. I wanted the option for an uplifting ending. I think I earned it.

But why does Shepard have to live for it to be uplifting? One could argue for Shepard's death being uplifting as well.

Like Stornskar said, it kind of feels like you have to die just because they say you have to die. I don't think even heroic sacrifice fans would point to the end of ME3 as a prime example of what they like to see.

I want to live. I want to feel like I won a future for myself. I want to know my love interest isn't now alone and grieving, my friends aren't going to be numbly picking up the pieces of their lives without me (and grieving), and that the game ended on a note of life rather than death.

[GreyLycanTrope]

MerchantGOL wrote...
Just like you were when you were flesh and blood.


I for one Thing  Shepard wathcing over the galaxy in shuch a complete compacity is nothign but a  good thing....paragon shepard at least, renegads can be real bstards

Except it isn't like when you where human because now you're immortal, have a giant reaper armada, and there is no one, NO ONE who can keep you in check.

This AI isn't Shepard either it's just one based of Shepard's memories. And Shepard isn't perfect so whatever viewpoint Shep might have flawed or not will be carried over to the AI's programing and executed with the same certainty and resolve it had when the original Catalyst created the Reapers. An extreme dedication to a finding a particular solution along a limited view point. Playing peace keeper isn't always black and white, whatever laws exists need to have some saftey nets and flexibility. Sometimes that's what justice calls for, given how inflexible the original Catalyst was I see this as a problem.

[SMichelle]

IsaacShep wrote...

What are the chances Shep survives a fall into atmosphere and then the rescue comes within few hours that remain till his brain cells die completly and even Project Lazarus shouldn't be able to revive them? What are the chances Shep survives Harby's beam that MELTS METAL ON HIS ARMOR? This is a space opera people, seriously

Yup.  And that was non-sensical as well.  Good sci-fi still has to follow some rules.

[Mello]

Nightwriter wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

The Catalyst is still in there.

I still must die, unless EDI and the geth die. Main issue. I wanted the option for an uplifting ending. I think I earned it.

But why does Shepard have to live for it to be uplifting? One could argue for Shepard's death being uplifting as well.

Like Stornskar said, it kind of feels like you have to die just because they say you have to die. I don't think even heroic sacrifice fans would point to the end of ME3 as a prime example of what they like to see.

I want to live. I want to feel like I won a future for myself. I want to know my love interest isn't now alone and grieving, my friends aren't going to be numbly picking up the pieces of their lives without me (and grieving), and that the game ended on a note of life rather than death.

100% i agree. That's all i want. 

[devSin]

IsaacShep wrote...

Urhm ,but Shep survives in best Destroy

You assume Shepard survives. That could be his/her last breath before death.

And that is the official canon response.

[shepskisaac]

OMTING52601 wrote...

I'd say folks who say, "It was Shep's last gasp," aren't any farther off the mark than those who repeatedly point out the file name says Shep lives.

If the goal was to show Shep's last gasp before death, they would've put it in all Destroy endings. They also wouldn't make an exclusive, different version of memorial scene

Modifié par IsaacShep, 04 août 2012 - 03:39 .

[Nightwriter]

iakus wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I wanted the option for an uplifting ending. I think I earned it.

So let's be honest, is about dancing Ewoks ending? Well, I get it. I like happy endings too. But non-100%-happy-ending doesn't mean it's a bad ending.

A dancing Ewoks ending would've felt extremely inappropriate, given the scale of the loss the galaxy had suffered. You don't dance while you're still bleeding and there are corpses on the ground.

But you do salute your comrades. You do clasp them on the shoulder. You do meet their eye and let the fact that you both survived and won sink in.

You climb out of the rubble, holding your arm and limping towards your relieved comrades.

You walk through your ship as your comrades nod at you in respect as they repair battle damage, and you place a hand on the coffin of one of the fallen as you gaze out into the stars.

Yeah I just wanted the tone of the ending to stay true to the rest of the series. No last minute grimdark.

[SMichelle]

IsaacShep wrote...

If the goal was to show Shep's last gasp before death, they would've put it in all Destroy endings. They also wouldn't make an exclusive, different version of memorial scene

They would if they still want people discussing it 5 months after release. 

[Iakus]

EntropicAngel wrote...

iakus wrote...

Ah, but the Mass Effect trilogy was called "Shepard's Story" by the developers.  So while the main stroy does end with the Reaper resolution, Shepard's fate is still an important part of the story.  Thus whether Shepard lives or dies is still an important detail.

I can understand not wanting to go into detail afterwards, since there's so many possibilities.  But there should have been multiple Shepard alive/dead variations to use as jumpin-off points.  Not one ambiguous "alive" point and  a half dozen dead ones.

Called Shepard's story by whom, the writers or the PR guys? I'm dubious. I see your point, though.

Ray Mazuka and Michael Gamble, at least

[shepskisaac]

SMichelle wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

If the goal was to show Shep's last gasp before death, they would've put it in all Destroy endings. They also wouldn't make an exclusive, different version of memorial scene

They would if they still want people discussing it 5 months after release. 

There's nothing to discuss on that scene. It's Hollywood cliche survival scene for the audience to go "yay he lives!" before the end. Complete with the love interest knowing "deep in heart" that the beloved lover didn't die.

[Yakko77]

IsaacShep wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

Why, WHY is it too much to ask for a simple happy ending with my Shep reuniting with my LI at the end of Destroy... oh yeah, then there'd be no reason for Synthesis to be "preferred" by Star Brat

A reunion sex with Liara would make the Catalyst suggest to Shep to pick Destroy option? :huh:

As I also mentioned, in the last 10 minutes, BW made the Destroy choice less paletable with the killing of the Geth and EDI just to make Synthesis more "preferred".  Since you die in Control and Synthesis, all I was asking was to be able to reunite with the LI but IF that were an option then Synthesis would be barely a choice worth considering for most I think.

[Nightwriter]

IsaacShep wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I would never in a million years have thought the breath scene was anything other than a clear indication of Shepard's survival.

Then a BioWare dev said it could be a death gasp. And I went .

I honestly wish he hadn't said it. Before that, the writers' intention seemed perfectly clear to me. Then he had to go and cast a towering shadow of doubt over it.

He said it to satisfy those who desperately head-canon SHep dead. Right after, Mike Gamble even poked fun at it with the entire "because a metal beam may totally fall on his head after he breathes :lol:" (not exact quote ;P)

I am of the opinion that those people reeeeeeaaaaaaally don't need further satisfaction.

If they want Shepard dead, they are practically drowning in options that can do that for them.

Of course, I have no idea if Hepler was joking. I couldn't find any audio/video of the comment, and tone is everything.

[garrusfan1]

OP I agree I wanted a reunion though I would like a totally different ending but I would be happy with a well done reunion

[GreyLycanTrope]

Nightwriter wrote...
Yeah I just wanted the tone of the ending to stay true to the rest of the series. No last minute grimdark.

Escapism? Yes please.

[FS3D]

 My ending is Marauder Shields.