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Bioware look, the majority of fans don't like the endings and the ones who do, if presenting with the choice, would choose a new ending over the old at the end of the day


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Stornskar wrote...

I felt a lot of the same - and as I said, I half expected the heroic sacrifice. I hoped that I would be hanging out with Garrus on a beach and reuniting with Miranda, but realisically I didn't think it would happen. The mechanism for that sacrifice (the catalyst and the three colors) just felt like an insult to me. A while back I posted that when I learned the Catalyst was controlling the Reapers I would have tried to destroy the Citadel, even with me on it. I could have handled that kind of sacrifice ... but having the Catalyst tell me that I had to disintegrate myself to win felt contrived. The ironic thing is that I picked Destroy and had max EMS, so I actually lived ... but I was still irritated at that entire exchange


I can understand that.

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So, if Destroy "good" ending didn't kill the Geth and EDI and you knew that suc h a end would enable a reunion with your squad and/or LI you'd still choose Control or Synthesis?  Without a certain conclusion for Sheps fate and the killing of Geth and EDI there's almost no reason to choose any other option than Destroy.  The game requires circular logic to accept Synthesis as being preferred.  Contol is at least viable given that TIM, though indoctrinated at least has a viable plan that was clear based on his reaction to the conclusion of the SM in ME2.  Not my ideal choice but I can see it as a option for  others who agree.


I don't really understand what you're saying. I chose Destroy the first time around.

One of the problems here is that you're seeing it from your point of view, and not from the Catalyst's point of view. Synthesis is a viable option--and indeed, likely the only one--if we accept the Catalyst's logic, that organics and synthetics are destined to rise and and destroy one another. it's really the only avaiable choice on that premise.

I'm sure Control has some good points, but I've never really thought about it long enough to glean them. Some way to use the Reaper's power for some benevolent purpose, I suppose (and it IS possible. Shepard controls the Reapers =/= automatic police state)

And if you do not accept the Catalyst's logic, you choose Destroy. That's what I did.

Again, I'm not sure what you're saying.


To accept the Catalyst's "logic" for the "preferred" Synthesis Ending is to accept circular logic at best which isn't logic at all, espacially if your Shep brokered peace between the Quarians and Geth.  The Catalyst has enabled its Reapers to kill countless trillions over and over again for countless cycles in order to keep us from creating synthetic life that'll kill us supposedly and suddenly we're to accept that organics and sythetics can't coexist when you just brought peace between the two?  BS.  That's weak and lazy writing.  All I'm saying is that except for the writers FORCING the death of the Geth and EDI in the Destroy ending in the last 10 minutes of the game there'd be almost no reason to chose any other ending.


Edit: I too am a "destroy" ending advocate but am a crap debater.  I think we agree more than we disagree, I just suck at expressing it!  :D

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Chris Priestly wrote...

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".



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Which is why people is trying to force bioware to make new endings.

Yeah, that's right, I said it: FORCE BIOWARE to make new endings. There are so much ways of achieving that, that ****** would be pointless to point them here. 

In fact, i even read several users threatening not buying any more bioware products if said company didn't fix the endings, plotholes and consistency problems.  Sure, it requires collaboration, but the price....

By the way, if you want more ideas on how to make a company do something for its clients, start thinking in real life and not over the internet...like the guys with the cake initiative. :)

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Yakko77 wrote...

To accept the Catalyst's "logic" for the "preferred" Synthesis Ending is to accept circular logic at best which isn't logic at all, espacially if your Shep brokered peace between the Quarians and Geth.  The Catalyst has enabled its Reapers to kill countless trillions over and over again for countless cycles in order to keep us from creating synthetic life that'll kill us supposedly and suddenly we're to accept that organics and sythetics can't coexist when you just brought peace between the two?  BS.  That's weak and lazy writing.  All I'm saying is that except for the writers FORCING the death of the Geth and EDI in the Destroy ending in the last 10 minutes of the game there'd be almost no reason to chose any other ending.


Edit: I too am a "destroy" ending advocate but am a crap debater.  I think we agree more than we disagree, I just suck at expressing it!  :D


I think we're getting off topic here, but...

The Catalyst denies that there will be lasting peace between synthetics and organics. You may have just brokered peace--but in five years when the geth are about five million times more "intelligent" than organics, what's to stop them from wiping us out? Nothing, and you could argue that it's likely.

As I've said before, the problem here is lack of exposition. The Catalyst clearly holds this viewpoint for a reason--the problem is we don't know this reason. i'm of the opinion that it happened once before, and this is where the Catalyst draws his conslusions from. But there's no way of knowing because the game doesn't show it.

And, you could certainly argue for the other endings. Renegade players might feel very strongly that they can control the Reapers and do more good in the long run that destroying them--the Reapers are a near omnipotent force, if we knew more about them we could grow so much. It's just a matter of opinion.

You were here for the Collector base discussion, weren't you? People still disagree on which is the right choice (or would if ME3 hadn't essentially made it irrelevant). There are plenty of reasons for other choices, but since neither of us are proponents of them we're not likely to see them as easily.

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But OP didn't the EC give another ending? One that most of the people did not or will not choose?

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OmegaXI wrote...

But OP didn't the EC give another ending? One that most of the people did not or will not choose?

Actually, according to most polls, reject is the second most popular ending now.

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I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.

And for all those stating "Well if you don't X I am not going to buy another game/DLC/etc from BioWare again". I'm sorry you feel thht way, but I understand it. That is your ability as a consumer. If a company (us, a burger joint, a shoe store, etc) does not live up to your expectations, you go elsewhere. I get it and I do the same thing. I do not fault anyone for feeling this way. Hopefully, the DLC we come up with or a future BioWare title will make you want to give us another try.

However, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. I'm sorry we have disappointed you and as I said, we'll try to make better content or games in the future that you will hopefully enjoy. No one if forced to be here. You don't like it, feel free to take your business elsewhere and stop trying to ruin the funn and enjoyment for those people who do enjoy ME3 and the DLC.

Done now.


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