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[Ozida]

Mcfly616 wrote...
first off, the Catalyst isn't a child....he just appears to be(I actuated cant stand children, and this is my only problem with the EC ending, albeit a minor one.) He's an AI construct that's been behind the scenes terrorizing the galaxy with its twisted logic and its genocidal cycle for millennia.....yes, that was the twist.....yes, I enjoy it....

Newsflash: its been done in the sci fi genre before....many times.....apparently you're not too familiar with the genre....

So, wait a second, it has been done many times within the same genre and they want to sell it as "art" and "original"? I think you just ruined BioWare's best excuse!

Modifié par Ozida, 03 août 2012 - 05:57 .

[Dorje Sylas]

 I will put it simply no video game combany would and will never replace an entire ending afther the game is released it just will never happen. so you have 2 choices ether play the game with the ec or never play the game again it is just that simple.

*Cough* Bethesda *cough* Fallout 3 *cough*, oh sorry, sometimes the truth gets lodge in my throat. It's the "never play the game again" and any future games/content by the same company that should have Bioware back peddling like crazy. When Leviathan undersells its target expect to see EA begin gutting Bioware... because EA can't admit its partly their flawed buisness model that's brought this about. DA2, bad. SWtOR, fastest F2P switch in MMO history. ME3, marred by fan backlash so massive it reached the Wall Street Journal. 

Modifié par Dorje Sylas, 03 août 2012 - 06:00 .

[RaenImrahl]

Insulting other users, or using derogatory terms, will result in your account being banned, as just happened to TookYoCookies.

Also, to OP... bumping a thread will get it locked.

[MerchantGOL]

Ozida wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
first off, the Catalyst isn't a child....he just appears to be(I actuated cant stand children, and this is my only problem with the EC ending, albeit a minor one.) He's an AI construct that's been behind the scenes terrorizing the galaxy with its twisted logic and its genocidal cycle for millennia.....yes, that was the twist.....yes, I enjoy it....

Newsflash: its been done in the sci fi genre before....many times.....apparently you're not too familiar with the genre....

So, wait a second, it has been done many times within the same genre and they want to sell it as "art" and "original"? I think you just ruined BioWare's best excuse!

MAss Effect has always been about taking Sci-Fi tropes and makign them theire own, Their is no such thing as an orginal idea.it dosen't make it less art.

[themikefest]

I enjoy destroy with ec-synthesis and control not so much

[C9316]

stonbw1 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Well to be perfectly honest, the ending is only part of the problem. Most of the game itself is crap as well.

Really??  Calling ME3 'crap' is silly.  Its an extraordinary AAA game, polished gameplay, more 'rpg' elements over ME2, tremendous music, and (despite the whiners) provides an emotional end to Shepard's story.  Leaving the end out of it, I thought ME3 was wonderful.

You know I guess you're right, what was I thinking!? Mass Effect 3 is a wonderful game, and it does have polished gameplay for a run of the mill shooter, but of course seeing how that's all it aimed to be that's great!

More 'rpg' elements yes, only being able to influence what your character says once or twice throughout an entire mission is totally a step up from ME1 and ME2, how could I not see it before? And how your choices from the other games don't matter in this so called trilogy? Spectacular!

Tell me more about how wonderful ME3 is fine sir.

[Mazebook]

Ozida wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
first off, the Catalyst isn't a child....he just appears to be(I actuated cant stand children, and this is my only problem with the EC ending, albeit a minor one.) He's an AI construct that's been behind the scenes terrorizing the galaxy with its twisted logic and its genocidal cycle for millennia.....yes, that was the twist.....yes, I enjoy it....

Newsflash: its been done in the sci fi genre before....many times.....apparently you're not too familiar with the genre....

So, wait a second, it has been done many times within the same genre and they want to sell it as "art" and "original"? I think you just ruined BioWare's best excuse!

*facepalm*

art has nothing to do with originality...every piece of art stands on what was built before...

Everything is  a play on variations on the same basic themes.

[SpamBot2000]

Yeah, I want a better ending. No Space Wizard Children spewing Space Magic.

[Dorje Sylas]

MAss Effect has always been about taking Sci-Fi tropes and makign them theire own, Their is no such thing as an orginal idea.it dosen't make it less art.

However it is in those last 10 miniutes that Bioware failed to do so. They charged full steam into the worst of tropes in literally the last few miniutes of the trillogy. It stands out like a leprous thumb for all their prior, far more artful, efforts. And through the use of auto-dialog basically invalidated at least two games (ME2 and the Geth/Quarian Arch of ME3) worth of player input to the story.

Modifié par Dorje Sylas, 03 août 2012 - 06:06 .

[Atakuma]

Dorje Sylas wrote...

 I will put it simply no video game combany would and will never replace an entire ending afther the game is released it just will never happen. so you have 2 choices ether play the game with the ec or never play the game again it is just that simple.

*Cough* Bethesda *cough* Fallout 3 *cough*, oh sorry, sometimes the truth gets lodge in my throat. It's the "never play the game again" and any future games/content by the same company that should have Bioware back peddling like crazy. When Leviathan undersells its target expect to see EA begin gutting Bioware... because EA can't admit its partly their flawed buisness model that's brought this about. DA2, bad. SWtOR, fastest F2P switch in MMO history. ME3, marred by fan backlash so massive it reached the Wall Street Journal. 

Bethesda charged money for their new ending, it would have been a disaster if bioware had done the same.

[MerchantGOL]

C9316 wrote...

More 'rpg' elements yes, only being able to influence what your character says once or twice throughout an entire mission is totally a step up from ME1 and ME2, how could I not see it before? And how your choices from the other games don't matter in this so called trilogy? Spectacular!
.

I Don't know what  game you played but i had plenty of imput over what my charcter says and my choices matterd, I  saved Archers brother, he showed up to help me at Grissom Academy

And you can only save the Geth/ Krogan if you did certain things in the previous games

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 03 août 2012 - 06:09 .

[MegaSovereign]

praudmur wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

"Majority"? Lol.....you guys are still telling yourself that? Maybe on the BSN you are, but on the rest of the gaming sites around the internet, its actually the other way around.....everybody likes the game and bashes the few whiners around on their own particular web sites....


The BSN is the only place you are the majority....let's get that straight....all you haters flock to the BSN, you're in your own little bubble, while the rest of the world is looking in laughing, and bashing you just as bad as you bash Bioware and ME3...

The reason you see so many haters on the BSN, is because you people cry over wishful thinking all day getting nowhere....and the people that like the game are still playing it instead of wasting their time here.....

oh yeah?http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/mass-effect-3 see user score.
ALso I don't understand OP, saying about majority. No one can say what majority is, that`s where i agree with you. But one thing - there are so many people who hate Bioware and this will affect the money Bioware gains from DLC. That's for certain.

A lot of those user scores were submitted pre-EC, I believe.

[robertm2]

C9316 wrote...

Well to be perfectly honest, the ending is only part of the problem. Most of the game itself is crap as well.

yep. at this point its just best to let it go though. they are not going to  change the ending or anything lelse thats in the game. the best we can hope for at this point is the next games that come out of bioware to be up to par with what we expect from them and to not be lied to about whats in the games before they come out.

[MerchantGOL]

Dorje Sylas wrote...

MAss Effect has always been about taking Sci-Fi tropes and makign them theire own, Their is no such thing as an orginal idea.it dosen't make it less art.

However it is in those last 10 miniutes that Bioware failed to do so. They charged full steam into the worst of tropes in literally the last few miniutes of the trillogy. It stands out like a leprous thumb for all their prior, far more artful, efforts. And through the use of auto-dialog basically invalidated at least two games (ME2 and the Geth/Quarian Arch of ME3) worth of player input to the story.

THey didnt invalidate any thing.

and no the concept  of a Machine god is nehter a new idea in the  the franchise nor one they pulled off badly, the complains ar eliterally based on you not get complete freedome, which is some thign you never had

[Ozida]

maaaze wrote...

*facepalm*
art has nothing to do with originality...every piece of art stands on what was built before...
Everything is  a play on variations on the same basic themes.

So if I re-paint Mona Lisa and change her hair color it still would be my art, right? It just won't be original?

MerchantGOL wrote...

Ozida wrote...
MAss Effect has always been about taking Sci-Fi tropes and makign them theire own, Their is no such thing as an orginal idea. it dosen't make it less art.

Makes it cheaper though... I guess, I just never realized it before ME3.

Modifié par Ozida, 03 août 2012 - 06:09 .

[AlanC9]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Yeah, I want a better ending. No Space Wizard Children spewing Space Magic.

Doesn't bother me. 

Now, will your new ending no longer come with hard choices that test Shepard's moral compass? Will it come with a miraculous conventional victory that nobody had any right to expect? Those things would bother me.

Modifié par AlanC9, 03 août 2012 - 06:30 .

[MerchantGOL]

AlanC9 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Yeah, I want a better ending. No Space Wizard Children spewing Space Magic.

Doesn't bother me. 

Now, will your new ending no longer come with hard choices that test Shepard's moral compass? Will it come with a miraculous conventional victory that nodoby had any right to expect? Those things would bother me.

1000 Times this.

[shepdog77]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Insulting other users, or using derogatory terms, will result in your account being banned, as just happened to TookYoCookies.

Also, to OP... bumping a thread will get it locked.

lol thanks, he called me that derogatory term in another thread as well

[C9316]

MerchantGOL wrote...

C9316 wrote...

More 'rpg' elements yes, only being able to influence what your character says once or twice throughout an entire mission is totally a step up from ME1 and ME2, how could I not see it before? And how your choices from the other games don't matter in this so called trilogy? Spectacular!
.

I Don't know what  game you played but i had plenty of imput over what my charcter says and my choices matterd, I  saved Archers brother, he showed up to help me at Grissom Academy

And you can only save the Geth/ Krogan if you did certain things in the previous games

So as long as you gained a few extra points into that arbitrary number then it's all fine and dandy!

[MerchantGOL]

C9316 wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

C9316 wrote...

More 'rpg' elements yes, only being able to influence what your character says once or twice throughout an entire mission is totally a step up from ME1 and ME2, how could I not see it before? And how your choices from the other games don't matter in this so called trilogy? Spectacular!
.

I Don't know what  game you played but i had plenty of imput over what my charcter says and my choices matterd, I  saved Archers brother, he showed up to help me at Grissom Academy

And you can only save the Geth/ Krogan if you did certain things in the previous games

So as long as you gained a few extra points into that arbitrary number then it's all fine and dandy!

Sure ignore the actual narative of the game and what that number represents, and how that number actualy matters, you do rember that if you don't get it up high enough  u get screwed at the finsih line right

[dreman9999]

rdnanez wrote...

i love how you can speak for us people who are perfectly fine with the ending. you're not getting new endings and i absolutely loveeee bioware for refusing to give them to you.

^THIS

[Dorje Sylas]

Bethesda charged money for their new ending, it would have been a disaster if bioware had done the same.

At this point they're going to have, and actually make it worth the 10 dollars. It is going to look awful that they had to do it that way. Unfortuatlly that's where they are at if they want to salvage anything from the franchise. No amount of "side" content like Leviathan is going to fix what's really broken. They backed themselves into a hidious corner with EC and the trollish refusal option. They could have left themselves an out by letting refusal be a vicotry with a near maxed out EMS, but they didn't. Their "artsict integrity" got in the way and at this point they're going to have to ask the fans for more money to fix whats broken. EA isn't going to give them any more rope, they already used EC to metaphorically hang themselves.

Modifié par Dorje Sylas, 03 août 2012 - 06:21 .

[Mazebook]

Ozida wrote...

maaaze wrote...

*facepalm*
art has nothing to do with originality...every piece of art stands on what was built before...
Everything is  a play on variations on the same basic themes.

So if I re-paint Mona Lisa and change her hair color it still would be my art, right? It just won't be original?

Yes , if you repaint the Mona Lisa with the intend of creating art it would be art...if you bring a new perspective into it, you might convince others that it is art.

Art is subjective and relies on perspective...everything created with the intend to create art is art in the eyes of the creator.

Modifié par maaaze, 03 août 2012 - 06:23 .

[dreman9999]

C9316 wrote...

stonbw1 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Well to be perfectly honest, the ending is only part of the problem. Most of the game itself is crap as well.

Really??  Calling ME3 'crap' is silly.  Its an extraordinary AAA game, polished gameplay, more 'rpg' elements over ME2, tremendous music, and (despite the whiners) provides an emotional end to Shepard's story.  Leaving the end out of it, I thought ME3 was wonderful.

You know I guess you're right, what was I thinking!? Mass Effect 3 is a wonderful game, and it does have polished gameplay for a run of the mill shooter, but of course seeing how that's all it aimed to be that's great!

More 'rpg' elements yes, only being able to influence what your character says once or twice throughout an entire mission is totally a step up from ME1 and ME2, how could I not see it before? And how your choices from the other games don't matter in this so called trilogy? Spectacular!

Tell me more about how wonderful ME3 is fine sir.

Some one here is ignoring the  fact that most of this game is dialogue

[Reorte]

robertm2 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Well to be perfectly honest, the ending is only part of the problem. Most of the game itself is crap as well.

yep. at this point its just best to let it go though. they are not going to  change the ending or anything lelse thats in the game. the best we can hope for at this point is the next games that come out of bioware to be up to par with what we expect from them and to not be lied to about whats in the games before they come out.

Sad but true (although I wouldn't go as far as to call the rest of the game crap even though it has its flaws).