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[Pitznik]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

There's a problem. "Don't like how game companies are getting increasingly contemptous of their customers and even their own products? Well, move on and buy some other stuff from them!"

You can move on and not buy also. The question is - how does the forum whining help?

Whining is just a word your parents used to shame you as a child.

How does complaining on forums help, then?

[MacNasty]

Pitznik wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

There's a problem. "Don't like how game companies are getting increasingly contemptous of their customers and even their own products? Well, move on and buy some other stuff from them!"

You can move on and not buy also. The question is - how does the forum whining help?

Whining is just a word your parents used to shame you as a child.

How does complaining on forums help, then?

Complaining on forums is the easiest (and most likely) way to get their voice heard. Moderators watch the forums, and with a large community of other people here, many might share their opinions. People may not like it when people complain, but it shows they like or care about a series and they want it to be improved upon, not left in a state that they feel is not worthy of the series.

[Tazzmission]

i really hope people will quit being cheap asses

this dlc is supposed to be 4 hours long and that alone is worth 10 bucks. i seriously question the age of the people who whine seeing as they still demand a new ending

[RenegonSQ]

No, I'd always choose destroy.

[OhDihBot]

I would still like a new better ending -- especially if it adopted the indoctrination theory. It is the only way to save the ME series, IMO. It's sad, but the current ending just kills any incentive for me to ever replay not just ME3, but any games in the series.

In fact, an ending adopting the IT is probably the only DLC I would pay for at this point, just to incentivize BW and EA to do it. Unfortunately, I think we are just beating a dead horse at this point, as this will never happen.

Modifié par OhDihBot, 03 août 2012 - 07:49 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

It would be great. To be able to acheive victory through refuse, to reject the Catalyst and his stupid DEM, or atleast win on our terms. As it stands we need only 3,100 EMS to get the best ending, it's possible to get +7,000, so what's the point? What's the point of EMS and playing the game when we're supposed to headcanon the conclusion? How can I possibly headcanon when there are so many plotholes/contrivances already?

[phat0817]

Tazzmission wrote...

i really hope people will quit being cheap asses

this dlc is supposed to be 4 hours long and that alone is worth 10 bucks. i seriously question the age of the people who whine seeing as they still demand a new ending

10 dollars isn't make or break I agree...but hypothetically speaking if sales were poor on the DCL I don't believe cost would be the issue.

[Pitznik]

MacNasty wrote...


Complaining on forums is the easiest (and most likely) way to get their voice heard. Moderators watch the forums, and with a large community of other people here, many might share their opinions. People may not like it when people complain, but it shows they like or care about a series and they want it to be improved upon, not left in a state that they feel is not worthy of the series.

The same people all the time, in every thread, even not really about ending/controversial stuff, repeating same stuff, all the time? I don't think it is working. I think it creates divisions and enmity between fans, though.

[MacNasty]

Pitznik wrote...

MacNasty wrote...


Complaining on forums is the easiest (and most likely) way to get their voice heard. Moderators watch the forums, and with a large community of other people here, many might share their opinions. People may not like it when people complain, but it shows they like or care about a series and they want it to be improved upon, not left in a state that they feel is not worthy of the series.

The same people all the time, in every thread, even not really about ending/controversial stuff, repeating same stuff, all the time? I don't think it is working. I think it creates divisions and enmity between fans, though.

I agree, division is a problem, but that's because often the loudest voices are the worst. There are bad people on both sides of the argument, and it seems they tend to find each other often enough... And who knows, perhaps it is working, some things might be going differently than they were intending to originally create them. Otherwise, we hold to the illusion that they are listening and truly bettering the game. Plus, the "non-controversial" stuff tends to add up over time, leading to a big pile of... mistakes.

[Dean_the_Young]

And the controversial stuff becomes so memetic that critical analysis is lost because people throw out the baby with the bathwater.

You'd think people would remember the elevators issue from ME1 to ME2. People complained about elevators (the monotony), but didn't concede what they enjoyed about the scenes (the squadmate interaction), and so Bioware did what was said and not what was actually wanted.

[phat0817]

[quote]MacNasty wrote...

[quote]Pitznik wrote...

[quote]MacNasty wrote...
Complaining on forums is the easiest (and most likely) way to get their voice heard. Moderators watch the forums, and with a large community of other people here, many might share their opinions. People may not like it when people complain, but it shows they like or care about a series and they want it to be improved upon, not left in a state that they feel is not worthy of the series.
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The same people all the time, in every thread, even not really about ending/controversial stuff, repeating same stuff, all the time? I don't think it is working. I think it creates divisions and enmity between fans, though.
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I agree, division is a problem, but that's because often the loudest voices are the worst. There are bad people on both sides of the argument, and it seems they tend to find each other often enough... And who knows, perhaps it is working, some things might be going differently than they were intending to originally create them. Otherwise, we hold to the illusion that they are listening and truly bettering the game. Plus, the "non-controversial" stuff tends to add up over time, leading to a big pile of... mistakes.
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I agree with you MacNasty everybody has right to voice there opinions on this forums but I'm still a firm believer that it go's onto deaf ears and only way to really make your point as a customer is just don't buy the product everything else is just secondary.
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[valkulon]

hahahahah way to make assumptions of my opinion of the game OP

[XqctaX]

C9316 wrote...

Well to be perfectly honest, the ending is only part of the problem. Most of the game itself is crap as well.

this. over and over and over...... But for me changing the endings( read: REMOVE THE F'King catalyst, and add conventional victory and oh i want a happy fukkin disney ending too. so eat it) would make me not hate it as much as i do now. heck i might acually play it again.

[MaleQuariansFTW]

Sure, I'd take a new ending if it included IT, but I'm also just as fine with what we have. The Extended Cut really helped in my opinion.

I think it's a no brainer anyone would take more of anything related to Mass Effect, so saying who wouldn't take another ending is a rhetorical statement.

[ChickenDownUnder]

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

I bet this is the ending what WE ALL would have wanted;

Synthesis? Is that you?

I'd go out and buy a PC copy of ME3 if there were ever fan mods that could give me the ending and changes I wanted. Hell, would even attempt to make the mods myself if I had the tools.

[AlanC9]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

And the controversial stuff becomes so memetic that critical analysis is lost because people throw out the baby with the bathwater.

You'd think people would remember the elevators issue from ME1 to ME2. People complained about elevators (the monotony), but didn't concede what they enjoyed about the scenes (the squadmate interaction), and so Bioware did what was said and not what was actually wanted.

Well, part of the problem was that conceptually squadmate interaction has got nothing to do with elevators. DA:O does it just fine through triggers in various places on the maps. It wouldn't have occurred to me that throwing out elevators would mean throwing out the interactions.

Hell, it doesn't mean that. ME2 has one on the stairs in the Citadel with Tali and Garrus. Which is mostly there to lampshade that elevators aren't in anymore, of course.

But  the general point is true. If people had actually admitted that their real problem with ME3's ending was not having a  big reunion scene, they might have gotten one. But people mostly ran from the topic, I guess out of fear of being branded "happy enders."

Modifié par AlanC9, 03 août 2012 - 09:11 .

[my Aim is True]

Ending sucks, substitute with fan-fic
Marauder Shields FTW!

[aliastasia]

Pitznik wrote...

The same people all the time, in every thread, even not really about ending/controversial stuff, repeating same stuff, all the time? I don't think it is working. I think it creates divisions and enmity between fans, though.

I'm a casual frequenter. I stayed out of the fora until I'd played ME3 myself, and came over to share my WTF moment back in March. And then stayed out of the fora again, because they basically stated what I thought myself.  I tried joining up w the Retake ME-crowd, but work made that fall flat, so here I am, not one of the usual posters. If that's a qualifier, maybe it will help getting the point across: 

Like many others, I actually did not mind Shephard dying. I minded the excreable manner in which a character in a game I'd spent more hours than I bother to count died. The ending wasn't Michael Straczynski blowing up B5 so there'd never be any sequels, the ending was Lost meets BSG meets Deus Ex and couldn't even get it's primary colours right. 

Personally, I think the big, big mistake made on the story arc, was to actively add characters from the book, and to add Casper (in addition to fedex quests, but I digress). Adding  Casper was a copout, as Casper did not provide what a lot of us missed the most - a context and a WHY for the Reapers. I'd rather have gone toe to to with i.e an indoctrinated, perceived loyal character (Chakwas would have been perfect!) which would have explained more Reapery stuff for me, than the whole Kai Leng thing. The endgame could have ended any which way, and I doubt people would have been as upset as they were if it had followed the outline from previous games - Your character can live OR die.
Which in turn means it'd have been nice if there was a unicorns and rainbows option with your LI in one of the variants, but not a must-have, or it could have been an open end lots of people could speculate about. However, I think most people would have forgiven a "Shephard dies any which way" if  the quality of the  current endgame and subsequent death had been better. People would have been sad, but not upset to the extent you can't even read a facebook post from Mass Effect without people ****ing about it. 
The DAII backlash was bad, but this backlash is much, much worse.
As for people mouthing off in fora - Maybe there's hope that someone, somewhere greenlights a better ending, or  is willing to take the (sorry) Fallout for a better ending DLC.

/A 

[RvB SPARTAN038]

I learned to deal with it. We can't force Bioware, or anyone, to do what they don't want to do, even if most people think they should and are wrong. The one who holds the power makes their choices and the rest of us have to deal with it.

[djarlaks10]

ChickenDownUnder wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

I bet this is the ending what WE ALL would have wanted;

Synthesis? Is that you?

I'd go out and buy a PC copy of ME3 if there were ever fan mods that could give me the ending and changes I wanted. Hell, would even attempt to make the mods myself if I had the tools.

Destory the Reaper from the background and then yep, that would be my choice of an ending.

[circe]

Just to comment on an earlier post I saw on this thread...EC wasn't Bioware's Director's Cut. It was their "here's a cookie, please, please, please shut up." Everything about it was directly in answer to many of the (minor) issues people had with the ending. I mean, was the squaddie teleportation thing real a dealbreaker for people but they happily accept Starchild running the show? There was no indication, to me in any case, that they actually stopped, looked at their ending and though to themselves, "hmm, I think I see where people are coming from." Instead, they made a giant checklist of things they had to make go away so people would stop ****ing. And when you half ass a project like that, the result is still crap and people will still ****. I don't want a new ending exactly the way I envision it, I want a new ending that lives up to the standards that the previous games and earlier story arcs of ME3 itself established.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

But  the general point is true. If people had actually admitted that their real problem with ME3's ending was not having a  big reunion scene, they might have gotten one. But people mostly ran from the topic, I guess out of fear of being branded "happy enders."

And if that's true, it's still as much Bioware's fault as anyone else's, since they claim to listen to the audience, but do precious little active listening.  You don't just listen to what people say, you ask them to clarify. 

Ending depressing? What do you mean by "depressing"?
What made it depressing to you?
Would you find it more uplifting if  ::blank:: happened instead?
What kind of ending were you expecting?
By ::blank:: did you mean ::blank:: or ::blank:
What sort of endings have you found "bittersweet"?

These are very basic "reference interview" type questions used to find out exactly what a person wants.

I don't recall a single official question or survey going out.  Everything was purely fan-made.   Then disregarded because there were too many femSheps or not enough XBox players who took the survey or something like that.

[Necrotron]

JamesFaith wrote...

OK, OP, so which new ending should BW give to their fans to be happy?

Sweet happyend reuninon?
Conventional victory end?
Dark matter end?
End without Catalyst?
End where is Catalyst presented by VS, LI, Anderson, Jenkins, Harbinger, Avina, Hackett or unknow alien?
End when Shepard refuse and still win?
End with boss fight?

Lots of demands here and result of your choice always be bunch of unhappy and angry fans.

Not necessarily.  There was a pretty universal goal for those who hated the original endings (simply to have an ending that logically fit the story and fulfilled Bioware's promises advertised before the game came out), and Bioware could have written a new ending that would have appealed to the majority of the dissatisfied, but they didn't.  They choose instead to defend artistic integrity, and merely do a 'Director's Cut' type fix of the original ending, which only pleased a portion of the dissatisfied fans.

People always say everyone can't be pleased, but you can please a majority, as Bioware did time and time again before the Mass Effect 3 ending.  All most people wanted was an ending that logically fit the story.  And people always say Bioware already 'caved to demands' and fixed the ending.  Well, not really.  They chose to address a portion of the complaints that fit within their statment of 'not changing the ending'.  Given their constraints, they did a good job (although they did retcon a few things which was outside of the 'not changing the ending' constraint), but they didn't address the majority of the feedback about the ending.

Modifié par Bathaius, 03 août 2012 - 09:41 .

[Steve The Seal]

Ztrobos wrote...

Oh, another thread about the ending, how novel. Well, to answer OP's question, I like to point to the fact that Im in the audience. I don´t want to wright my own ending to the story, nor do I particularly enjoy when other people try to do that. I want the real ending to the story, as told by the storyteller, In this case Bioware. How I rate every aspect and detail of the story is irrellevent, only whether I like the thing or not. I do, some do´nt. But the thing is what it is.

So you would rather have they ditched decision-making and the conversation-wheel, so it all became linear and you could simply lean back and watch, while they told you the story?

Modifié par Steve The Seal, 03 août 2012 - 09:48 .

[devSin]

I don't think you're wrong, but I'm not sure what you expect to have happen.

The ending is pretty terrible. But they're finished with it. The last thing they want is to draw more attention to it by continuing to fuss over it, I'm sure.

If you're really desperate, you can hold out hope that they'll do something to improve it in the future, but you're destined to be disappointed if you do.