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[darthoptimus003]

Dorje Sylas wrote...

Bethesda charged money for their new ending, it would have been a disaster if bioware had done the same.

At this point they're going to have, and actually make it worth the 10 dollars. It is going to look awful that they had to do it that way. Unfortuatlly that's where they are at if they want to salvage anything from the franchise. No amount of "side" content like Leviathan is going to fix what's really broken. They backed themselves into a hidious corner with EC and the trollish refusal option. They could have left themselves an out by letting refusal be a vicotry with a near maxed out EMS, but they didn't. Their "artsict integrity" got in the way and at this point they're going to have to ask the fans for more money to fix whats broken. EA isn't going to give them any more rope, they already used EC to metaphorically hang themselves.

100000+ this
spot on
id pay to have a new ending

Modifié par darthoptimus003, 03 août 2012 - 09:58 .

[Heather Cline]

Frankly the EC was crap, the original ending was crap. The entire game was just as crappy with removed dialogue options at almost every turn. Only one hub world. Inability to actually interact with your friends and crew in the game. In fact Shepard became BioWare's Shepard and ceased being the players Shepard the first moments in ME3. They touted that Shepard was our character and that we were co-creators of the game. Yet they did this to us and still don't give a damned. Well screw BioWare and screw any game they make now or DLC. Cause they know they still did wrong and won't admit it. Personally I would have fired Hudson and Walters on the spot for it. I would have brought back the original lead story guy from ME1 and had him fix the ending as well as fix the auto-dialogue problems among other things. However they did not do that.

This is why I feel ME3 is horrible and why ME2 is only slightly better than ME3. ME2 was written by Walters I believe and Hudson oversaw but the original writer for ME1 was still on board somewhat as an advisor. If he had written ME2 and ME3 it would have been loads better. However he did not which is why both games suffered and sucked comparatively to ME1.

[AlexPorto111]

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

brandon3990 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

100% of BSN wants a better ending. A fool wouldn't want something better.


Think carefully.

100%?

I bet this is the ending what WE ALL would have wanted;

The BSN would propably think that its not happy enough.

[Armass81]

They did have a great way out with IT, but decided to settle for mediocrity at best.

[Oilking72]

I haven't read through 7 pages of nonesense and bickering but if Bioware came out, of their own volition, and said hey, we're going to totally redo the endings, I certainly wouldn't say no to that.

The reality however is that this is NEVER going to happen. You can cry on this board until the reapers come and it still won't happen.

I swear, I'm going to see the exact same posts 6 months from now.

[AlexPorto111]

Destroy EC ending was great for me.

[AlexPorto111]

Oilking72 wrote...

I haven't read through 7 pages of nonesense and bickering but if Bioware came out, of their own volition, and said hey, we're going to totally redo the endings, I certainly wouldn't say no to that.

The reality however is that this is NEVER going to happen. You can cry on this board until the reapers come and it still won't happen.

I swear, I'm going to see the exact same posts 6 months from now.

Yes.Its over.Bioware its not going to change the ending.Deal with it.If you dont like the game,then why the hell are you doing here?

[Chris Priestly]

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".

[obZen DF]

I'm not a fan of the ending. I'm a fan of Tuchanka.

My personal problem is the inconsistent and bad writing. If that was well done and made sense, and the EC was integrated in the original cut, then I would've been really happy.

As of now, I moved on from my personal problem. And enjoy it again. Looking forward to Leviathan baby!

[JamesFaith]

Bathaius wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

OK, OP, so which new ending should BW give to their fans to be happy?

Sweet happyend reuninon?
Conventional victory end?
Dark matter end?
End without Catalyst?
End where is Catalyst presented by VS, LI, Anderson, Jenkins, Harbinger, Avina, Hackett or unknow alien?
End when Shepard refuse and still win?
End with boss fight?

Lots of demands here and result of your choice always be bunch of unhappy and angry fans.

Not necessarily.  There was a pretty universal goal for those who hated the original endings (simply to have an ending that logically fit the story and fulfilled Bioware's promises advertised before the game came out), and Bioware could have written a new ending that would have appealed to the majority of the dissatisfied, but they didn't.  They choose instead to defend artistic integrity, and merely do a 'Director's Cut' type fix of the original ending, which only pleased a portion of the dissatisfied fans.

People always say everyone can't be pleased, but you can please a majority, as Bioware did time and time again before the Mass Effect 3 ending.  All most people wanted was an ending that logically fit the story.  And people always say Bioware already 'caved to demands' and fixed the ending.  Well, not really.  They chose to address a portion of the complaints that fit within their statment of 'not changing the ending'.  Given their constraints, they did a good job (although they did retcon a few things which was outside of the 'not changing the ending' constraint), but they didn't address the majority of the feedback about the ending.

Sorry, but no. There never was some common concensus on BSN how should this so-called "better logical fitting end" look like. People protesting against current endings were able to agree only on one thing - that they don't like/hate current endings. And then they splitted to many groups which were claiming that their way of "correcting" ending is the right one. Except victory through refusal, which came after EC, all of these demands reffered later were here in few weeks after release ME3 and had their supporters.

How do you want please fanbase which is so fractioned like BSN? 

[SMichelle]

DinoSteve wrote...


Same way they will never admit DA2 was bollocks, even though it is on loads of worst game lists of that year.

Which ones? 

[Reth Shepherd]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".

Well, I do appreciate your honesty. Unfortunately, if this is the case I won't be planning to purchase your games/DLC anymore, either. Even aside from principles, I don't want to play a game that makes me alternately sick to my stomach or wanting to put my fist through the screen. Best of luck in future, suspect you're going to need it.

[SMichelle]

Atakuma wrote...

Bethesda charged money for their new ending, it would have been a disaster if bioware had done the same.

The EC was not a new ending.  I would pay money for a new ending. 


To repeat:  I would PAY MONEY for a better ending! 


I want to love this franchise again.  I just can't with the current ending.  My not buying (if that's what I finally decided to do) has nothing to do with punishing BioWare.  I simply have lost any desire to replay the game.  The ending has no emotional payoff for me.  If it works for you - I'm honestly happy for you.  I want it to work for me. 

[DashRunner92]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".

You can't acutally be serious about the "
I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation." part. I mean, that like the whole "Oh Star Wars: The Old Republic is doing fine, ignore the empty servers and massive loss of subscribers" kind of attitude. I mean, you guys even had to make an EC to appease fans. 

[shepdog77]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".

Keep churning out that SP dlc!  Looking forward to more adventures with Shepard & crew.


As for all you haters, I think you can take your leave now.  They're not changing the endings.  That's it.  End of Story.  You can either continue to play the game and enjoy it, or you can move on to greener pastures.  No sense in you staying here and wallowing in your own misery.

Modifié par shepdog77, 03 août 2012 - 10:52 .

[rymajn3]

JamesFaith wrote...
How do you want please fanbase which is so fractioned like BSN? 

Conventional victory. All anyone wants is a sense of VICTORY, to be a HERO.

Not become a reaper or genocidal maniac, or rewrite everyone's DNA. The choices are compromises and the catalyst is a terrorist.

I don't negotiate with terrorists.

Until then, I just won't buy any DLC. I'll just continue enjoying the free MP DLC. :happy:

Modifié par rymajn3, 03 août 2012 - 10:50 .

[chuckles471]

SMichelle wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Bethesda charged money for their new ending, it would have been a disaster if bioware had done the same.

The EC was not a new ending.  I would pay money for a new ending. 


To repeat:  I would PAY MONEY for a better ending! 


I want to love this franchise again.  I just can't with the current ending.  My not buying (if that's what I finally decided to do) has nothing to do with punishing BioWare.  I simply have lost any desire to replay the game.  The ending has no emotional payoff for me.  If it works for you - I'm honestly happy for you.  I want it to work for me. 

I think he is alluding to that if Bioware charged for the EC, they would probably be known as EA Edmonton by now.

[MegaSovereign]

rymajn3 wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...
How do you want please fanbase which is so fractioned like BSN? 

Conventional victory. All anyone wants is a sense of VICTORY, to be a HERO.

Not become a reaper or genocidal maniac, or rewrite everyone's DNA. The choices are compromises and the catalyst is a terrorist.

I don't negotiate with terrorists.

Until then, I just won't buy any DLC. I'll just continue enjoying the free MP DLC. :happy:

That's a very inaccurate and ignorant way to look at the Destroy/Control ending.

[MerchantGOL]

rymajn3 wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...
How do you want please fanbase which is so fractioned like BSN? 

Conventional victory. All anyone wants is a sense of VICTORY, to be a HERO.

I already got that try again in a way that dosent Go the  Satrurday mornign cartoon "if we just try really hard we can win" route

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 03 août 2012 - 10:54 .

[phat0817]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".



[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Well, I do appreciate your honesty. Unfortunately, if this is the case I won't be planning to purchase your games/DLC anymore, either. Even aside from principles, I don't want to play a game that makes me alternately sick to my stomach or wanting to put my fist through the screen. Best of luck in future, suspect you're going to need it. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]

I'm going to answer this with an old quote Chris wrote sometime ago for I'm sure he's thinking it again.

"Do or don't its your right as a consumer"

Sorry I don't have the link but those words always stuck out in my memory.

Modifié par phat0817, 03 août 2012 - 10:58 .

[JamesFaith]

rymajn3 wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...
How do you want please fanbase which is so fractioned like BSN? 

Conventional victory. All anyone wants is a sense of VICTORY, to be a HERO.

Really? Did you see some of conventional victory threads? They are as full of people demanding it same as people claiming its stupid. In fact this is one of these things which polarised BSN most.

[Iakus]

JamesFaith wrote...

How do you want please fanbase which is so fractioned like BSN? 

Multiple endings, that don't railroad you down the same path regardless of choice?

[MerchantGOL]

iakus wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

How do you want please fanbase which is so fractioned like BSN? 

Multiple endings, that don't railroad you down the same path regardless of choice?

You have that, whether you like the choices is Irelevent

[Iakus]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I will leave "the majority of fans..." discussion to each person's interpretation. Certainly those who did not like the endings are much more vcal abotu it than those who did. The Extended Cut was "the end of the endings". The team is moving on with DLC for people who want more ME3 gameplay, but there are not planned to be any more "endings".

How about a little more "clarity and closure" with existing ones then?

Cause, I think you missed a spot there with the EC

[chemiclord]

SMichelle wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Bethesda charged money for their new ending, it would have been a disaster if bioware had done the same.

The EC was not a new ending.  I would pay money for a new ending. 


To repeat:  I would PAY MONEY for a better ending! 


I want to love this franchise again.  I just can't with the current ending.  My not buying (if that's what I finally decided to do) has nothing to do with punishing BioWare.  I simply have lost any desire to replay the game.  The ending has no emotional payoff for me.  If it works for you - I'm honestly happy for you.  I want it to work for me. 

Whelp, you're not getting a new ending.  You are not going to get what you want.  EVER.

So... I guess enjoy being miserable continuing to comment on something that you hate?