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#576
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Sp3c7eR wrote...

All of your DPS calculations assume perfect acccuracy which is a logical fallacy.


Oh, wait, you're missing more with the Typhoon with the Rev? More than with the Piranha? More than the Hurricane? Oh, look, you aren't. The gun is more accurate than any of the competition.

I could respond to the rest of your nonsense, but I'd rather spend my time figuring out the actual mechanics instead of responding to your insane troll logic.

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Gamemako wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

All of your DPS calculations assume perfect acccuracy which is a logical fallacy.


Oh, wait, you're missing more with the Typhoon with the Rev? More than with the Piranha? More than the Hurricane? Oh, look, you aren't. The gun is more accurate than any of the competition.

I could respond to the rest of your nonsense, but I'd rather spend my time figuring out the actual mechanics instead of responding to your insane troll logic.

or maybe u d rather play the actuall game instead of endless posts

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Poison_Berrie wrote...

AldarionnEB wrote...

Prior to the nerf it took 6.133 seconds. After the nerf it took 13 seconds. That's a 6.867 second increase in the amount of time it took to kill an Atlas, which is roughly a 112% increase in time, or just over a 50% decrease in sustained DPS.


Remember, though you are testing it on the thoughest enemy in the game. There is nothing with more shields and armor. I'm not saying that nerf wasn't hefty, but the thoughest damn thing in the game on the highest difficulty level went down in 6 seconds!


And how many seconds were required to take down the other 95% of the enemies in the game (like Phantoms, Hunters, Marauders and so on)?

When you argue the pre-nerfed Typhoon X could take out an Atlas in 6 seconds, the Claymore X can take out almost everything else in the time it takes the game to register pressing a button - that's something like 0.01 seconds :o

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Gamemako wrote...

I could respond to the rest of your nonsense, but I'd rather spend my time figuring out the actual mechanics instead of responding to your insane troll logic.


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Gamemako wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

All of your DPS calculations assume perfect acccuracy which is a logical fallacy.


Oh, wait, you're missing more with the Typhoon with the Rev? More than with the Piranha? More than the Hurricane? Oh, look, you aren't. The gun is more accurate than any of the competition.

I could respond to the rest of your nonsense, but I'd rather spend my time figuring out the actual mechanics instead of responding to your insane troll logic.


You really have nothing to respond with. 

Your incredibly bright non-troll logic is to compare numbers instead of actual gameplay and base all of your arguments on DPS without taking into account anything else. I think you fit the troll definition much better than I do. Where's your video evidence supporting your claims? Oh wait, but NUMBERS! Duh...

And are you for real? A ramp-up gun which requires you to continuously shoot in order to get the best of it, and you are comparing it to an automatic shotgun? Yeah, you will miss less with the Piranha unless you're just learning to use a mouse & keyboard or you don't know its effective range. You probably will miss a lot more with Revenant & Hurricane which is again why DPS is meaningless.

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I guess your right. It is easier to hit.

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Gamemako wrote...

Oh, wait, you're missing more with the Typhoon with the Rev? More than with the Piranha? More than the Hurricane? Oh, look, you aren't. The gun is more accurate than any of the competition.

I could respond to the rest of your nonsense, but I'd rather spend my time figuring out the actual mechanics instead of responding to your insane troll logic.


You obviously have no idea what you are saying and to whom. You should get back to SP. You are out of your league here.

Modifié par greghorvath, 05 août 2012 - 08:20 .


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it the greatest baseball bat ever.. all joke aside i never really like the gun to much of a campin gun, ps how did  you guys test the krysae and falcon those nerf were great

Modifié par Geth Platforms, 05 août 2012 - 08:26 .


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Gamemako wrote...

Relix28 wrote...

:huh:


Allow me to try to clarify for him.

The pre-nerf Typhoon dealt more DPS, both burst and sustained, then the current Piranha. If you don't think the Piranha is in desperate need of a nerf, then I fear for your sanity.

//EDIT: The sustained DPS against protection types of a pre-nerf Typhoon X with an extended clip was 1596.27. The Piranha currently is 1338.87.

I don't think Piranha is in desperate need for a nerf and I am completely sane. But I actually worried about yours and how you dare saying such b/s. Again, don't like - don't use,avoid others using it. It is you and your 3.5 "friends" against community.

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Gamemako wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

All of your DPS calculations assume perfect acccuracy which is a logical fallacy.


Oh, wait, you're missing more with the Typhoon with the Rev? More than with the Piranha? More than the Hurricane? Oh, look, you aren't. The gun is more accurate than any of the competition.

I could respond to the rest of your nonsense, but I'd rather spend my time figuring out the actual mechanics instead of responding to your insane troll logic.


The Harrier is very accurate, and so is the Saber.  And I don't have any trouble with the Rev X either.  And last I checked, those were all ARs. And 

The thing you need to realize is that Sp3cter's video shows best possible circumstances -- Typhoon vs Atlas, no enemies around.  Try playing gold/platinum under usual circumanstances (Sp3cter's pre-video) and see how being exposed to enemy fire and offense skills (hello smoke screens and stunlocks) effect the *math.*

This game can't be boiled down to a simplistic equation.  If you want to create a mathematical model, you'd have to factor in every single attack against you, your teammates, and even how the AI interacts with the team. 

What most people are saying is that post-nerf the Typhoon is much less effective.  On paper, anyone can argue that it's still great (see Eric's post).  In the reality of the game, where so many other variables (via enemies and things such as stuns, smoke, DR movement, taking cover, grenades...) come into play, the math isn't just the result of a few numbers.  Again, refer to the video and ask yourself: Is this gun nearly as good as it once was?  And, how effective is it now, post-nerf, against all of the Big Bosses, not just a lumbering Atlas?

Modifié par PKTracer, 05 août 2012 - 08:40 .


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mrwizeguy wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

All of your DPS calculations assume perfect acccuracy which is a logical fallacy.


Oh, wait, you're missing more with the Typhoon with the Rev? More than with the Piranha? More than the Hurricane? Oh, look, you aren't. The gun is more accurate than any of the competition.

I could respond to the rest of your nonsense, but I'd rather spend my time figuring out the actual mechanics instead of responding to your insane troll logic.

or maybe u d rather play the actuall game instead of endless posts


This. So true for you, Gamemako.

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Gamemako wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

All of your DPS calculations assume perfect acccuracy which is a logical fallacy.


Oh, wait, you're missing more with the Typhoon with the Rev? More than with the Piranha? More than the Hurricane? Oh, look, you aren't. The gun is more accurate than any of the competition.

I could respond to the rest of your nonsense, but I'd rather spend my time figuring out the actual mechanics instead of responding to your insane troll logic.


I was doing some 2 man runs with Specter today on Platinum, and I can confirm having seen with my own eyes, him emptying clip after clip on a Banshee without her going down and no, he was not missing. Whatever is going on, the Typhoon is a shadow of its former self.

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There's a lot on the line this Tuesday. The 'balance' changes could make or break this game as we know it.

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JG The Gamer wrote...

There's a lot on the line this Tuesday. The 'balance' changes could make or break this game as we know it.

Thats because bioware is now nerfing weapons until useless not just a tiny nerf any more 

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inferno lizard wrote...

JG The Gamer wrote...

There's a lot on the line this Tuesday. The 'balance' changes could make or break this game as we know it.

Thats because bioware is now nerfing weapons until useless not just a tiny nerf any more 


Like I said, I can confirm Specter's Typhoon X was pretty useless in our matches. He switched to the Harrier and did much better with it. The Typhoon is now just a pretty ornament.

Modifié par Stardusk, 05 août 2012 - 09:42 .


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How many more bioware? How many more until your thirst for nerfing is over first the Krysae then the Typhoon and soon to be the Piranha (though i dont care too much bout the shotgun but why) WHY???

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JG The Gamer wrote...

There's a lot on the line this Tuesday. The 'balance' changes could make or break this game as we know it.


Sure it is. This Tuesday decides my fate with this game,if I won't be satisfied, I will leave. Because you can't even imagine how tired I am of lvl4 consumables and weapons,that developers break right after I unlock them.

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inferno lizard wrote...

How many more bioware? How many more until your thirst for nerfing is over first the Krysae then the Typhoon and soon to be the Piranha (though i dont care too much bout the shotgun but why) WHY???


You forgot about Falcon.

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Lkv999 wrote...

inferno lizard wrote...

How many more bioware? How many more until your thirst for nerfing is over first the Krysae then the Typhoon and soon to be the Piranha (though i dont care too much bout the shotgun but why) WHY???


You forgot about Falcon.

my bad

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inferno lizard wrote...

Lkv999 wrote...

inferno lizard wrote...

How many more bioware? How many more until your thirst for nerfing is over first the Krysae then the Typhoon and soon to be the Piranha (though i dont care too much bout the shotgun but why) WHY???


You forgot about Falcon.

my bad

It was the first that got killed by Bioware "balancing", first in the row...throughout all this chaos and genocide of good guns We should never forget that first one..^_^

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Sp3c7eR wrote...

Gamemako wrote...

Sp3c7eR wrote...

All of your DPS calculations assume perfect acccuracy which is a logical fallacy.


Oh, wait, you're missing more with the Typhoon with the Rev? More than with the Piranha? More than the Hurricane? Oh, look, you aren't. The gun is more accurate than any of the competition.

I could respond to the rest of your nonsense, but I'd rather spend my time figuring out the actual mechanics instead of responding to your insane troll logic.


You really have nothing to respond with. 

Your incredibly bright non-troll logic is to compare numbers instead of actual gameplay and base all of your arguments on DPS without taking into account anything else. I think you fit the troll definition much better than I do. Where's your video evidence supporting your claims? Oh wait, but NUMBERS! Duh...

And are you for real? A ramp-up gun which requires you to continuously shoot in order to get the best of it, and you are comparing it to an automatic shotgun? Yeah, you will miss less with the Piranha unless you're just learning to use a mouse & keyboard or you don't know its effective range. You probably will miss a lot more with Revenant & Hurricane which is again why DPS is meaningless.


not to mention he forgets that a destroyer or a Tsol can hit anything on any given map with 90% of the pellets with piranha when he aims it properly.

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I guess Tuesday is dooms day...

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a-karpen

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Stardusk wrote...

I guess Tuesday is dooms day...


Bad BW balance will finally allow me to forget about MP and concentrate on Single Player,hopefully there is a bunch of DLCs coming for it, first on Tuesday itself.

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Stardusk wrote...

I guess Tuesday is dooms day...

And you are one of the 3 ppl here who need to take the blame for all this mess.
Yes you and all your previous posts about how op weapons were posting youtube videos feeding bioware and the nerf community .
I dont like you , u pretending nothing happent since you got back after earth DLC , but i dont forget

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Lkv999 wrote...

inferno lizard wrote...

Lkv999 wrote...

inferno lizard wrote...

How many more bioware? How many more until your thirst for nerfing is over first the Krysae then the Typhoon and soon to be the Piranha (though i dont care too much bout the shotgun but why) WHY???


You forgot about Falcon.

my bad

It was the first that got killed by Bioware "balancing", first in the row...throughout all this chaos and genocide of good guns We should never forget that first one..^_^

Don't forget the Sabotage power. That power was truly reduced to a shadow of its former self.