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[Seifer006]

Tuesay is coming. maybe they'll re-balance it

Modifié par Seifer006, 05 août 2012 - 10:02 .

[ryoldschool]

Typhoon nerf is on bioware's hands. They decided to nerf it and nerfed it more than they evidently were aware. I am interested in Eric's response to spectre's video evidence that the gun is 1/2 as effective as before June 24.

[Rifneno]

ryoldschool wrote...

Typhoon nerf is on bioware's hands. They decided to nerf it and nerfed it more than they evidently were aware. I am interested in Eric's response to spectre's video evidence that the gun is 1/2 as effective as before June 24.

Aww, you assume they have enough respect for the playerbase to acknowledge it.  That's cute.

[Seifer006]

ryoldschool wrote...

Typhoon nerf is on bioware's hands. They decided to nerf it and nerfed it more than they evidently were aware. I am interested in Eric's response to spectre's video evidence that the gun is 1/2 as effective as before June 24.

video?

[Rifneno]

Seifer006 wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

Typhoon nerf is on bioware's hands. They decided to nerf it and nerfed it more than they evidently were aware. I am interested in Eric's response to spectre's video evidence that the gun is 1/2 as effective as before June 24.

video?

[ryoldschool]

It's on page 10 of this thread. He has video taking down an atlas on his platinum solo on Jun 24 before the nerf. 6 seconds. He repeated it Friday after listening to Eric's post about bit still being powerful. It took scout 13 sec under the exact same Missouri.

[ryoldschool]

Sorry for spelling using "smartphone"

[Rifneno]

And unlike the sycophants who say 13 seconds is fine for a platinum atlas, he mentions that it's a lvl 10 typhoon, warp ammo 4, and a rail amp 3. So, you know, it's on enough steroids to get kicked out of the MLB and WWE.

[Immortal Strife]

Nerf was a reduction of 2.0 to 1.5, a multiplier must be multiplied by one to equal itself so 2.0 to 1.5 is in fact a 50% decrease in damage. This explains why Spec7er's video shows the Typhoon taking twice as long to drop an Atlas. I am pretty positive Bioware knew this when the nerfed the gun. And I am pretty sure they don't care about Spec7er's video.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 05 août 2012 - 10:33 .

[Seifer006]

Rifneno wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

Typhoon nerf is on bioware's hands. They decided to nerf it and nerfed it more than they evidently were aware. I am interested in Eric's response to spectre's video evidence that the gun is 1/2 as effective as before June 24.

video?

thanx for the link.

yeah it's definitely sad, to see a gun I got on the Earth DLC was released, then see the gun get nef'd.............
a Great Platinum weapon destroyed.

stick with the claymore. oh......i hope that's not next on the list:unsure:

[ryoldschool]

@immortal- anyone doing the math figured the difference would be closer to 1.5/2.0 = 75% instead of the 50% specter shows in gameplay video.

[Hyperionyht]

mrwizeguy wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

I guess Tuesday is dooms day...

And you are one of the 3 ppl here who need to take the blame for all this mess.
Yes you and all your previous posts about how op weapons were posting youtube videos feeding bioware and the nerf community .
I dont like you , u pretending nothing happent since you got back after earth DLC , but i dont forget

This accusation is very silly. No one but Bioware is responsible for the balance changes. There is no direct causation between the forum and the changes. The Bioware team members are the ones with the power to change the rules, and they've decided to beat the Typhoon down on their own accord. Hopefully, they will consider some of the concerns players have raised in this thread and re-evaluate their direction, as "all this mess" was their own doing, but I have my doubts.

[yarpenthemad21]

I've got this gun lately and probably main problem is way lower base damage vs armor after nerf.
On comparison video difference beetween pre-nerf and nerfed on atlas shields is about 1 sec. On armor we have those 5 sec.
So imo this gun now needs heavy barrel and piercing ammo, not warp one.

[Immortal Strife]

@ryoldschool, 1.5/2.0 is 75% of 2/2 or 25% less depending, except...

When dealing with ratios to increase 1 you must multiply by 1 + an integer...otherwise you are in fact reducing. Example 10 x .5=5 where 10 x 1.5=15...basic math I know. Again, say the Typhoon does 10 damage: post nerf the damage increased with a mutiplyer is 5 with a total new damage of 15; and prenerf the damage increased was 10 with a total of 20. 5/10 damage increased is 50% less damage. I'm not a math teacher so I don't know how to explain it in an easy way.

Modifié par Immortal Strife, 06 août 2012 - 12:28 .

[Killmoves37]

My jimmies were rustled. Bioware you are able to unrustle them. Make the right choice.

[UKStory135]

ryoldschool wrote...

@immortal- anyone doing the math figured the difference would be closer to 1.5/2.0 = 75% instead of the 50% specter shows in gameplay video.

If you take into account the reload time, the devastator mode Nerf, and the ramp up times for the gun. The 50% total makes more sense. 

[UKStory135]

ryoldschool wrote...

@immortal- anyone doing the math figured the difference would be closer to 1.5/2.0 = 75% instead of the 50% specter shows in gameplay video.

[ryoldschool]

Immortal Strife wrote...

@ryoldschool, 1.5/2.0 is 75% of 2/2 or 25% less depending, except...

When dealing with ratios to increase 1 you must multiply by 1 + an integer...otherwise you are in fact reducing. Example 10 x .5=5 where 10 x 1.5=15...basic math I know. Again, say the Typhoon does 10 damage: post nerf the damage increased with a mutiplyer is 5 with a total new damage of 15; and prenerf the damage increased was 10 with a total of 20. 5/10 damage increased is 50% less damage. I'm not a math teacher so I don't know how to explain it is an easy way.

Your math is correct about the additional damage the gun does according to the way it was presented to us.

In your example, base damage of 10 per round

Pre Nerf Damage = 10 + 10 * ( 2.0 - 1 ) = 10 + 10 = 20 damage
Post Nerf Damage = 10 + 10 * ( 1.5 - 1.0 ) = 10 + 5 = 15 damage

So you are correct in that it was expected that the additional damage was reduced by 1/2.   What was not expected is that the total damage was reduced by 1/2.

In Specter's video he is doing the base damage + the extra from the factor + extra from all consumables.  Yet the performance of the weapon is half as effective.

That is what leads anyone looking at the video to infer that there is more that is different in the game engine than just that one factor.

Once again, for those who don't want to look on page 10 for the video here is the link to 
Sp3c7eR's video.

[Atheosis]

ryoldschool wrote...

Immortal Strife wrote...

@ryoldschool, 1.5/2.0 is 75% of 2/2 or 25% less depending, except...

When dealing with ratios to increase 1 you must multiply by 1 + an integer...otherwise you are in fact reducing. Example 10 x .5=5 where 10 x 1.5=15...basic math I know. Again, say the Typhoon does 10 damage: post nerf the damage increased with a mutiplyer is 5 with a total new damage of 15; and prenerf the damage increased was 10 with a total of 20. 5/10 damage increased is 50% less damage. I'm not a math teacher so I don't know how to explain it is an easy way.

Your math is correct about the additional damage the gun does according to the way it was presented to us.

In your example, base damage of 10 per round

Pre Nerf Damage = 10 + 10 * ( 2.0 - 1 ) = 10 + 10 = 20 damage
Post Nerf Damage = 10 + 10 * ( 1.5 - 1.0 ) = 10 + 5 = 15 damage

So you are correct in that it was expected that the additional damage was reduced by 1/2.   What was not expected is that the total damage was reduced by 1/2.

In Specter's video he is doing the base damage + the extra from the factor + extra from all consumables.  Yet the performance of the weapon is half as effective.

That is what leads anyone looking at the video to infer that there is more that is different in the game engine than just that one factor.

Once again, for those who don't want to look on page 10 for the video here is the link to 
Sp3c7eR's video.

Err...it took twice as long because he had to reload (which led to a second chargeup as well).  The actual DPS was not reduced by 1/2.  I'm not sure how you are missing that.

[WaffleCrab]

Seifer006 wrote...

Tuesay is coming. maybe they'll re-balance it

Knowing BiowEAre they wount balance, if it doenst help balance their wallets on the plus side.

[realgundam]

Immortal Strife wrote...

@ryoldschool, 1.5/2.0 is 75% of 2/2 or 25% less depending, except...

When dealing with ratios to increase 1 you must multiply by 1 + an integer...otherwise you are in fact reducing. Example 10 x .5=5 where 10 x 1.5=15...basic math I know. Again, say the Typhoon does 10 damage: post nerf the damage increased with a mutiplyer is 5 with a total new damage of 15; and prenerf the damage increased was 10 with a total of 20. 5/10 damage increased is 50% less damage. I'm not a math teacher so I don't know how to explain it in an easy way.

IS, you are thinking about 50% damage of the gun. Now understand that the gun is actually doing 200% damage before. Now that get dropped by 50% actual damage and doing 150% damage. the 150/200 is a drop pf 25% "relative damage". Relativity is all that matters, not actual damage.

Also the other is right and you would also notice it if you only take a few min to look at the video, the reload time is the reason why the time is doubled and it is highly likely that BW staff oversaw that.

[ryoldschool]

The video shows the in-game effectiveness of the gun is half what it was, not talking dps

[Boopitty]

Immortal Strife wrote...

@ryoldschool, 1.5/2.0 is 75% of 2/2 or 25% less depending, except...

When dealing with ratios to increase 1 you must multiply by 1 + an integer...otherwise you are in fact reducing. Example 10 x .5=5 where 10 x 1.5=15...basic math I know. Again, say the Typhoon does 10 damage: post nerf the damage increased with a mutiplyer is 5 with a total new damage of 15; and prenerf the damage increased was 10 with a total of 20. 5/10 damage increased is 50% less damage. I'm not a math teacher so I don't know how to explain it in an easy way.

It lost 50% of its additional damage, but 25% of its total damage. You're discussing two different things.