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[Gamemako]

mrcanada wrote...

I truly don't understand how they can even entertain further nerfs to this weapon.

I will explain.

As I just discovered, the gun, fully geared out, can out-DPS a Piranha, even post-nerf. The observed ROF of the gun is actually 1800, not the 650 we previously believed, and there appears to be a (rather buggy) 25% total damage multiplier against protection that applies on top of the 50% ramp-up multiplier. That gives you a theoretical 7726.64 fully-charged max burst DPS vs shields on a Destroyer compared to the 5927.38 you could get with a Piranha. This is quite consistent with the results obtained by Sp3c7eR in his video: it took him about 5 seconds to strip the shield, and even neglecting the warmup, it would have taken him 4.68 seconds (max charged DPS of 5853.52). Include the warp-up (the mechanics of which we thought we knew but maybe actually don't) and you're in pretty damn good agreement.

Not even a Piranha comes close. Let that sink in. Everyone who switched to the PPR or Rev on their Destroyer is a damned fool.

Modifié par Gamemako, 07 août 2012 - 07:06 .

[Poulpor]

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

While I understand what you are saying, you have to take into account time spent out of cover, time to ramp up the weapon etc.  Yes it has the damage bonus, but nerfing it anymore will relegate the weapon and its bonuses to moot status.

DPS is waaaaaaayyyy down since the nerfs Eric.  On Platinum, the weapon is borderline in its usefulness outside a select few classes.

Leave it alone and bring the Krysae back to up to useable status instead.  Much too harsh of a nerf on that weapon.

Leave it alone?  If they leave it alone it will still be broken.  As matters stand now, it is worthless as an ultra-rare.  

Sure I can still beat Platinum with it.  But I can beat Platinum with a Disciple too.  Doesn't make it efficient or fun.  I hate shooting marshmallows.

No offense, but Eric is leaning towards nerfing it further and it seems buffing isn't even an option if that post indicates anything.  My post was telling him to leave it alone.  The weapon isn't a worthless UR either, stop exaggerating.  You want useless, look at the Particle Rifle.  Typhoon is still a good weapon, but it is really selective on what can use it.  

I truly don't understand how they can even entertain further nerfs to this weapon.

Now theparticle rifle is better than the typhoon in my opignon.. i have particle at X May be is that..

Typhoon 5 is not great.. good but not great..

[YuenglingDragon]

Gamemako wrote...
I will explain.

As I just discovered, the gun, fully geared out, can out-DPS a Piranha, even post-nerf. The observed ROF of the gun is actually 1800, not the 650 we previously believed, and there appears to be a (rather buggy) 25% total damage multiplier against protection that applies on top of the 50% ramp-up multiplier. That gives you a theoretical 7726.64 fully-charged max burst DPS vs shields on a Destroyer compared to the 5927.38 you could get with a Piranha. This is quite consistent with the results obtained by Sp3c7eR in his video: it took him about 5 seconds to strip the shield, and even neglecting the warmup, it would have taken him 4.68 seconds (max charged DPS of 5853.52). Include the warp-up (the mechanics of which we thought we knew but maybe actually don't) and you're in pretty damn good agreement.

Not even a Piranha comes close. Let that sink in. Everyone who switched to the PPR or Rev is a damned fool.

That all sounds very intelligent, but doesn't match the gameplay experience of pretty much everyone in this thread.  On gold my Destroyer can, without rail amp or ammo, take down an Atlas in two clips with a Piranha X.  It takes my Typhoon I at least a clip and a half and with 200+ bullets in a clip you can imagaine how much longer that takes.

[Lambda_00]

Gamemako wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

I truly don't understand how they can even entertain further nerfs to this weapon.

I will explain.

The observed ROF of the gun is actually 1800, not the 650 we previously believed

...Well that would explain the accuracy weirdness I'd been getting since that patch when RoF Devastator mode was engaged.

[Gockey]

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

While I understand what you are saying, you have to take into account time spent out of cover, time to ramp up the weapon etc.  Yes it has the damage bonus, but nerfing it anymore will relegate the weapon and its bonuses to moot status.

DPS is waaaaaaayyyy down since the nerfs Eric.  On Platinum, the weapon is borderline in its usefulness outside a select few classes.

Leave it alone and bring the Krysae back to up to useable status instead.  Much too harsh of a nerf on that weapon.

Leave it alone?  If they leave it alone it will still be broken.  As matters stand now, it is worthless as an ultra-rare.  

Sure I can still beat Platinum with it.  But I can beat Platinum with a Disciple too.  Doesn't make it efficient or fun.  I hate shooting marshmallows.

No offense, but Eric is leaning towards nerfing it further and it seems buffing isn't even an option if that post indicates anything.  My post was telling him to leave it alone.  The weapon isn't a worthless UR either, stop exaggerating.  You want useless, look at the Particle Rifle.  Typhoon is still a good weapon, but it is really selective on what can use it.  

I truly don't understand how they can even entertain further nerfs to this weapon.

Don't quote me out of context.  

I said it is useless as an ultra-rare.  And it is.  The harrier runs circles over it.  As for the Particle Rifle?  I think I would prefer it.  

The typhoon is no longer a good weapon.  Certain classes make it a passable weapon.   If nothing changes, it will stay on the shelf for most people because there are beetter options as evidenced by dozens of threads on this forum and video clips.

If they nerf it further, then I don't what the deal is.  There must be something that the entire BSN is missing.  As it stands a seemingly innocent .5X multi reduction resulted in a near 50% reduction in actual output (vis a vis Spectre's vid).

[majinclos]

buff the N7 typhoon

[mrcanada]

Gamemako wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

I truly don't understand how they can even entertain further nerfs to this weapon.

I will explain.

As I just discovered, the gun, fully geared out, can out-DPS a Piranha, even post-nerf. The observed ROF of the gun is actually 1800, not the 650 we previously believed, and there appears to be a (rather buggy) 25% total damage multiplier against protection that applies on top of the 50% ramp-up multiplier. That gives you a theoretical 7726.64 fully-charged max burst DPS vs shields on a Destroyer compared to the 5927.38 you could get with a Piranha. This is quite consistent with the results obtained by Sp3c7eR in his video: it took him about 5 seconds to strip the shield, and even neglecting the warmup, it would have taken him 4.68 seconds (max charged DPS of 5853.52). Include the warp-up (the mechanics of which we thought we knew but maybe actually don't) and you're in pretty damn good agreement.

Not even a Piranha comes close. Let that sink in. Everyone who switched to the PPR or Rev on their Destroyer is a damned fool.

Numbers don't lie and you have done your work here obviously so it's tough for me to argue.  He was also using a Typhoon X there, something that almost no one has or will have.  It's a tough comparison there and it is an ultra rare weapon.  There are a lot of weapons when completely spec'ed out can take enemies down with shocking speeds.

The Typhoon is in a good place now and does not require any further nerfing.

[mrcanada]

Poulpor wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

While I understand what you are saying, you have to take into account time spent out of cover, time to ramp up the weapon etc.  Yes it has the damage bonus, but nerfing it anymore will relegate the weapon and its bonuses to moot status.

DPS is waaaaaaayyyy down since the nerfs Eric.  On Platinum, the weapon is borderline in its usefulness outside a select few classes.

Leave it alone and bring the Krysae back to up to useable status instead.  Much too harsh of a nerf on that weapon.

Leave it alone?  If they leave it alone it will still be broken.  As matters stand now, it is worthless as an ultra-rare.  

Sure I can still beat Platinum with it.  But I can beat Platinum with a Disciple too.  Doesn't make it efficient or fun.  I hate shooting marshmallows.

No offense, but Eric is leaning towards nerfing it further and it seems buffing isn't even an option if that post indicates anything.  My post was telling him to leave it alone.  The weapon isn't a worthless UR either, stop exaggerating.  You want useless, look at the Particle Rifle.  Typhoon is still a good weapon, but it is really selective on what can use it.  

I truly don't understand how they can even entertain further nerfs to this weapon.

Now theparticle rifle is better than the typhoon in my opignon.. i have particle at X May be is that..

Typhoon 5 is not great.. good but not great..

It's your opinion, but it isn't true.  The Particle Rifle is not as good as the Typhoon.

[mrcanada]

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

While I understand what you are saying, you have to take into account time spent out of cover, time to ramp up the weapon etc.  Yes it has the damage bonus, but nerfing it anymore will relegate the weapon and its bonuses to moot status.

DPS is waaaaaaayyyy down since the nerfs Eric.  On Platinum, the weapon is borderline in its usefulness outside a select few classes.

Leave it alone and bring the Krysae back to up to useable status instead.  Much too harsh of a nerf on that weapon.

Leave it alone?  If they leave it alone it will still be broken.  As matters stand now, it is worthless as an ultra-rare.  

Sure I can still beat Platinum with it.  But I can beat Platinum with a Disciple too.  Doesn't make it efficient or fun.  I hate shooting marshmallows.

No offense, but Eric is leaning towards nerfing it further and it seems buffing isn't even an option if that post indicates anything.  My post was telling him to leave it alone.  The weapon isn't a worthless UR either, stop exaggerating.  You want useless, look at the Particle Rifle.  Typhoon is still a good weapon, but it is really selective on what can use it.  

I truly don't understand how they can even entertain further nerfs to this weapon.

Don't quote me out of context.  

I said it is useless as an ultra-rare.  And it is.  The harrier runs circles over it.  As for the Particle Rifle?  I think I would prefer it.  

The typhoon is no longer a good weapon.  Certain classes make it a passable weapon.   If nothing changes, it will stay on the shelf for most people because there are beetter options as evidenced by dozens of threads on this forum and video clips.

If they nerf it further, then I don't what the deal is.  There must be something that the entire BSN is missing.  As it stands a seemingly innocent .5X multi reduction resulted in a near 50% reduction in actual output (vis a vis Spectre's vid).

Well you're wrong and and the clip restrictions of the Harrier don't allow the same levels of performance the Typhoon does.  And the Particle Rifle shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. It is not a useless ultra rare, you're completely exaggerating.  And you are relating threads on this forum like most of them actually contain good information.  The Revenant is NOT a better weapon than the Typhoon, even at level 1. 

Read what the above poster put together as to why it is still a good weapon.

[YuenglingDragon]

Math doesn't lie but numbers can be wrong. Something doesn't match up here because in-game performance of the Typhoon is worse than the Piranha's. So something is going on here.

[mrcanada]

Leave the weapon alone and fix the missile launcher on the Destroyer. There are much bigger fish to fry than to continue tinkering with this weapon. You've given it more attention than the missile glitchers.

[mrcanada]

YuenglingDragon wrote...

Math doesn't lie but numbers can be wrong. Something doesn't match up here because in-game performance of the Typhoon is worse than the Piranha's. So something is going on here.

Well when you are comparing it to the perceived most powerful weapon in the game currently, that makes the weapon still viable.

[Gockey]

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

While I understand what you are saying, you have to take into account time spent out of cover, time to ramp up the weapon etc.  Yes it has the damage bonus, but nerfing it anymore will relegate the weapon and its bonuses to moot status.

DPS is waaaaaaayyyy down since the nerfs Eric.  On Platinum, the weapon is borderline in its usefulness outside a select few classes.

Leave it alone and bring the Krysae back to up to useable status instead.  Much too harsh of a nerf on that weapon.

Leave it alone?  If they leave it alone it will still be broken.  As matters stand now, it is worthless as an ultra-rare.  

Sure I can still beat Platinum with it.  But I can beat Platinum with a Disciple too.  Doesn't make it efficient or fun.  I hate shooting marshmallows.

No offense, but Eric is leaning towards nerfing it further and it seems buffing isn't even an option if that post indicates anything.  My post was telling him to leave it alone.  The weapon isn't a worthless UR either, stop exaggerating.  You want useless, look at the Particle Rifle.  Typhoon is still a good weapon, but it is really selective on what can use it.  

I truly don't understand how they can even entertain further nerfs to this weapon.

Don't quote me out of context.  

I said it is useless as an ultra-rare.  And it is.  The harrier runs circles over it.  As for the Particle Rifle?  I think I would prefer it.  

The typhoon is no longer a good weapon.  Certain classes make it a passable weapon.   If nothing changes, it will stay on the shelf for most people because there are beetter options as evidenced by dozens of threads on this forum and video clips.

If they nerf it further, then I don't what the deal is.  There must be something that the entire BSN is missing.  As it stands a seemingly innocent .5X multi reduction resulted in a near 50% reduction in actual output (vis a vis Spectre's vid).

Well you're wrong and and the clip restrictions of the Harrier don't allow the same levels of performance the Typhoon does.  And the Particle Rifle shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. It is not a useless ultra rare, you're completely exaggerating.  And you are relating threads on this forum like most of them actually contain good information.  The Revenant is NOT a better weapon than the Typhoon, even at level 1. 

Read what the above poster put together as to why it is still a good weapon.

Lol.  No your wrong. 

See I can do it too.  Your arguing your opinion.  Just let it go.  The moment you brought into the equation clip restrictions, you opened pandoras box.  Now the Ramp-Up time, ROF, accuracy, weight and everything else are free game.  Which means we're not going to agree.

The PPR is hardly worthless.  Can clear 100k with it without breaking a sweat.  And as for the Harrier being worse than the Typhoon?  I'm laughing.

I read the above posters math.  I find it ironic you quote him as a source while in the same post mention how BSN threads are not to be trusted.  Pot meet kettle.

Again, we're not going to agree, and your just tossing out your opinion.  Fine by me, just quit trying to argue semantics with me.  It makes you look silly.

Modifié par Gockey, 07 août 2012 - 07:20 .

[Gamemako]

I now hope they don't do anything to the gun this week. No buffs, no nerfs. I need more time to flesh out the mechanics and figure out the bugs (e.g. do not equip an AP mod unless you hate yourself). Needless to say, the gun doesn't behave at all like what we previously expected, and I think we had people spoiled by the ridiculousness of the old Typhoon and backed by dubious theorycrafting crying foul for... well, no real reason.

[UkGouki]

tbh i have the typhoon at a shocking level 1 and my harrier way outclasses it now if i put the typhoon on my soldier class or any class that has rof powers etc then its almost as good.

i was unlucky enough to get the typhoon after the 2nd nerf i would of loved to of treid it prenerf state... but at the moment with its current level for me its not worth me using it on any of the classes.

i would say maybe reduce its weight a little and possibly increase the clip size to make up for the nerfs.. then it would be as good if not better than the harrier again, which also needs a buff the single player version of the harrier is almost perfect needs more ammo thats about it

[RGFrog]

YuenglingDragon wrote...

Gamemako wrote...
I will explain.

As I just discovered, the gun, fully geared out, can out-DPS a Piranha, even post-nerf. The observed ROF of the gun is actually 1800, not the 650 we previously believed, and there appears to be a (rather buggy) 25% total damage multiplier against protection that applies on top of the 50% ramp-up multiplier. That gives you a theoretical 7726.64 fully-charged max burst DPS vs shields on a Destroyer compared to the 5927.38 you could get with a Piranha. This is quite consistent with the results obtained by Sp3c7eR in his video: it took him about 5 seconds to strip the shield, and even neglecting the warmup, it would have taken him 4.68 seconds (max charged DPS of 5853.52). Include the warp-up (the mechanics of which we thought we knew but maybe actually don't) and you're in pretty damn good agreement.

Not even a Piranha comes close. Let that sink in. Everyone who switched to the PPR or Rev is a damned fool.

That all sounds very intelligent, but doesn't match the gameplay experience of pretty much everyone in this thread.  On gold my Destroyer can, without rail amp or ammo, take down an Atlas in two clips with a Piranha X.  It takes my Typhoon I at least a clip and a half and with 200+ bullets in a clip you can imagaine how much longer that takes.

Same experience here, that's why I don't use the typhoon much anymore. However, I'm wondering if the experience is different between devs, hosts, and clients.

Devs obviously don't test on systems that are prone to lag. Hosts also are less likely to have lag affect their builds. Clients can have insane lag that pretty much creates havoc for everything.

So, I'm wondering if the high rates of fire mean that not every hit is registering for a client. Where on a dev test or host test, the RoF has every hit registering? In which case the dev's nerf still seems powerful but is only that way if you're in a dev's no-lag or host's negligible lag environment.

[Gamemako]

YuenglingDragon wrote...

Math doesn't lie but numbers can be wrong. Something doesn't match up here because in-game performance of the Typhoon is worse than the Piranha's. So something is going on here.

Actually, the in-game performance of the Typhoon and Piranha have both matched theory for many the tests I have done. The Piranha has an excellent track record, probably because it has no special mechanics. However, as I mentioned above, the Typhoon seems to suffer from a whole lot of bugs (which, for example, might force enemy armor DR to max or prevent application of the protection multiplier). I've been working out causes and stuff in the balance group discussion and will post them in the main forum when I have a good idea of what causes what.

[mrcanada]

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

While I understand what you are saying, you have to take into account time spent out of cover, time to ramp up the weapon etc.  Yes it has the damage bonus, but nerfing it anymore will relegate the weapon and its bonuses to moot status.

DPS is waaaaaaayyyy down since the nerfs Eric.  On Platinum, the weapon is borderline in its usefulness outside a select few classes.

Leave it alone and bring the Krysae back to up to useable status instead.  Much too harsh of a nerf on that weapon.

Leave it alone?  If they leave it alone it will still be broken.  As matters stand now, it is worthless as an ultra-rare.  

Sure I can still beat Platinum with it.  But I can beat Platinum with a Disciple too.  Doesn't make it efficient or fun.  I hate shooting marshmallows.

No offense, but Eric is leaning towards nerfing it further and it seems buffing isn't even an option if that post indicates anything.  My post was telling him to leave it alone.  The weapon isn't a worthless UR either, stop exaggerating.  You want useless, look at the Particle Rifle.  Typhoon is still a good weapon, but it is really selective on what can use it.  

I truly don't understand how they can even entertain further nerfs to this weapon.

Don't quote me out of context.  

I said it is useless as an ultra-rare.  And it is.  The harrier runs circles over it.  As for the Particle Rifle?  I think I would prefer it.  

The typhoon is no longer a good weapon.  Certain classes make it a passable weapon.   If nothing changes, it will stay on the shelf for most people because there are beetter options as evidenced by dozens of threads on this forum and video clips.

If they nerf it further, then I don't what the deal is.  There must be something that the entire BSN is missing.  As it stands a seemingly innocent .5X multi reduction resulted in a near 50% reduction in actual output (vis a vis Spectre's vid).

Well you're wrong and and the clip restrictions of the Harrier don't allow the same levels of performance the Typhoon does.  And the Particle Rifle shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. It is not a useless ultra rare, you're completely exaggerating.  And you are relating threads on this forum like most of them actually contain good information.  The Revenant is NOT a better weapon than the Typhoon, even at level 1. 

Read what the above poster put together as to why it is still a good weapon.

Lol.  No your wrong. 

See I can do it too.  Your arguing your opinion.  Just let it go.  The moment you brought into the equation clip restrictions, you opened pandoras box.  Now the Ramp-Up time, ROF, accuracy, weight and everything else are free game.  Which means we're not going to agree.

The PPR is hardly worthless.  Can clear 100k with it without breaking a sweat.  And as for the Harrier being worse than the Typhoon?  I'm laughing.

I read the above posters math.  I find it ironic you quote him as a source while in the same post mention how BSN threads are not to be trusted.  Pot meet kettle.

Again, we're not going to agree, and your just tossing out your opinion.  Fine by me, just quit trying to argue semantics with me.  It makes you look silly.

No, stating a weapon is garbage when it is still being compared to the consensus #1 weapon in the game, The Piranha, is making you look silly.  

Also, the Harrier does not receive the multiplier bonus of the Typhoon, that isn't opinion.  Numbers show that the Typhoon is still a very good weapon.  That isn't opinion either.

And knowing that a majority of the threads here are nonsense doesn't say that there aren't a few gems on here, because there truly are.  There are some on this board more knowledgeable about game balance and needs of the MP aspect of this game than BW themselves.

[Lambda_00]

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

While I understand what you are saying, you have to take into account time spent out of cover, time to ramp up the weapon etc.  Yes it has the damage bonus, but nerfing it anymore will relegate the weapon and its bonuses to moot status.

DPS is waaaaaaayyyy down since the nerfs Eric.  On Platinum, the weapon is borderline in its usefulness outside a select few classes.

Leave it alone and bring the Krysae back to up to useable status instead.  Much too harsh of a nerf on that weapon.

Leave it alone?  If they leave it alone it will still be broken.  As matters stand now, it is worthless as an ultra-rare.  

Sure I can still beat Platinum with it.  But I can beat Platinum with a Disciple too.  Doesn't make it efficient or fun.  I hate shooting marshmallows.

No offense, but Eric is leaning towards nerfing it further and it seems buffing isn't even an option if that post indicates anything.  My post was telling him to leave it alone.  The weapon isn't a worthless UR either, stop exaggerating.  You want useless, look at the Particle Rifle.  Typhoon is still a good weapon, but it is really selective on what can use it.  

I truly don't understand how they can even entertain further nerfs to this weapon.

Don't quote me out of context.  

I said it is useless as an ultra-rare.  And it is.  The harrier runs circles over it.  As for the Particle Rifle?  I think I would prefer it.  

The typhoon is no longer a good weapon.  Certain classes make it a passable weapon.   If nothing changes, it will stay on the shelf for most people because there are beetter options as evidenced by dozens of threads on this forum and video clips.

If they nerf it further, then I don't what the deal is.  There must be something that the entire BSN is missing.  As it stands a seemingly innocent .5X multi reduction resulted in a near 50% reduction in actual output (vis a vis Spectre's vid).

Well you're wrong and and the clip restrictions of the Harrier don't allow the same levels of performance the Typhoon does.  And the Particle Rifle shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. It is not a useless ultra rare, you're completely exaggerating.  And you are relating threads on this forum like most of them actually contain good information.  The Revenant is NOT a better weapon than the Typhoon, even at level 1. 

Read what the above poster put together as to why it is still a good weapon.

Lol.  No your wrong. 

See I can do it too.  Your arguing your opinion.  Just let it go.  The moment you brought into the equation clip restrictions, you opened pandoras box.  Now the Ramp-Up time, ROF, accuracy, weight and everything else are free game.  Which means we're not going to agree.

The PPR is hardly worthless.  Can clear 100k with it without breaking a sweat.  And as for the Harrier being worse than the Typhoon?  I'm laughing.

I read the above posters math.  I find it ironic you quote him as a source while in the same post mention how BSN threads are not to be trusted.  Pot meet kettle.

Again, we're not going to agree, and your just tossing out your opinion.  Fine by me, just quit trying to argue semantics with me.  It makes you look silly.

Also, the Harrier does not receive the multiplier bonus of the Typhoon, that isn't opinion.  Numbers show that the Typhoon is still a very good weapon.  That isn't opinion either.

This would be the case if the multiplier worked properly 100% of the time and didn't bug up randomly (on the Turian Soldier, among other classes)

[Gockey]

mrcanada wrote...

Gockey wrote...

Lol.  No your wrong. 

See I can do it too.  Your arguing your opinion.  Just let it go.  The moment you brought into the equation clip restrictions, you opened pandoras box.  Now the Ramp-Up time, ROF, accuracy, weight and everything else are free game.  Which means we're not going to agree.

The PPR is hardly worthless.  Can clear 100k with it without breaking a sweat.  And as for the Harrier being worse than the Typhoon?  I'm laughing.

I read the above posters math.  I find it ironic you quote him as a source while in the same post mention how BSN threads are not to be trusted.  Pot meet kettle.

Again, we're not going to agree, and your just tossing out your opinion.  Fine by me, just quit trying to argue semantics with me.  It makes you look silly.

No, stating a weapon is garbage when it is still being compared to the consensus #1 weapon in the game, The Piranha, is making you look silly.  

Also, the Harrier does not receive the multiplier bonus of the Typhoon, that isn't opinion.  Numbers show that the Typhoon is still a very good weapon.  That isn't opinion either.

And knowing that a majority of the threads here are nonsense doesn't say that there aren't a few gems on here, because there truly are.  There are some on this board more knowledgeable about game balance and needs of the MP aspect of this game than BW themselves.

Never said that, quit lying.  Your trying to put words in my mouth when we are quoting each other.  Learn to read.

As for your pirahna bit?  Who cares.  It's going to get nerfed today anyways.  One is an ultra-rare and the other is a rare.  What are you trying to prove comparing apples and oranges?  Did you have a point or are you just trying to pick arguments?

If your going to accept one thread, you have to accept others.  You yourself didn't do the math so you clearly aren't a fit judge to pick what threads stay and what threads go.  As such your entire argument is flawed

Try harder.  

IMO, as I clearly stated above, the Harrier is better.  IMO, the Typhoon is currently not a worthwhile ultra-rare.  Don't agree?  Fine, but quit arguing, you look silly.

[ryoldschool]

Just look at specter's video.  Whatever bioware thinks that they did, either they meant to nerf it in half, or something is busted in the game engine.
The only bioware published differences in his video are the two nerfs to Typhoon ( 2.0 to 1.5 on the damage factor ) and the reduction in wall penetration.   The only other thing was a 5% fire rate decrease on the Devastator mode of Destroyer. 


Edit:  and in that video, the post-nerf version took 13 seconds to take out that Atlas.

Compare that to these piranha videos    GI   or Destroyer

Modifié par ryoldschool, 07 août 2012 - 07:46 .

[Sulaco_7]

If they buffed the Typhoon, they would really improve their reputation with the community as devs who listen as opposed to devs who unilaterally nerf.

[tcbo1les]

reset the Typhoon back to its original status, it needs more time in plat service before any nerfing consideration

[upinya slayin]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Just to clarify a few things on the recent N7 Typhoon balance changes...

We've done a lot of internal tests on the N7 Typhoon comparing it to other assault rifles and other weapons, and even with the recent nerf it is still incredibly powerful. One of the reasons for this is that the weapon has an inherit 50% damage bonus versus armor, shields, and barriers. This far outclasses other weapons in terms of damage bonuses against resistances. The Revenant, for example, does not get this bonus and does regular damage to armor, shields, and barriers.

As always, we'll keep an eye on the balance of the N7 Typhoon, but if you have the weapon please test it out in game against different enemies to see how it feels. The numbers can often be deceiving so it's difficult to tell how effective a weapon is on paper.

the issue with the typhoon is you need to be out of cover and let it "warm up" before its worth a dam. so not only are you exposed but every character minus the destroyer with dev mode on gets stunned form a hit and has to re-warm up the gun again. it means you wasted ammo while in cover so you can fire at full rate when out of cover. its only good on teh destroyer. any other class i'd take the harrier over it

[upinya slayin]

ryoldschool wrote...

Just look at specter's video.  Whatever bioware thinks that they did, either they meant to nerf it in half, or something is busted in the game engine.
The only bioware published differences in his video are the two nerfs to Typhoon ( 2.0 to 1.5 on the damage factor ) and the reduction in wall penetration.   The only other thing was a 5% fire rate decrease on the Devastator mode of Destroyer. 


Edit:  and in that video, the post-nerf version took 13 seconds to take out that Atlas.

Compare that to these piranha videos    GI   or Destroyer

great video. it takes twice as long to kill an atlas now with the nerf. thats a big difference