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[LilArty]

 So, Alistair went for the kiss, and I had the Warden say the whole "yep, that was too soon" deal cause I thought it was most in-character, but I figured I would be able fix it up later. However, since then, Alistair's approval has just been "warm" and there's no romance dialog/options, even after completing the Goldanna quest. 

So, did that just destroy the entire Alistair romance, or will it start up again after waiting some time?

[Merilsell]

I hope you are aware that your OP is blank? Obviously. I would love to help with whatever your problem is, but since your post is blank, I have no idea what you want to know. Obviously. o.O

[LilArty]

Oh goodness, thank you so much, I didn't see that >.< weird

Here's the question:

So, Alistair went for the kiss, and I had the Warden say the whole "yep, that was too soon" deal cause it seemed most in-character for her, but I figured I would be able fix it up later. However, since then, Alistair's approval has just been "warm" and there's no romance dialog/options, even after completing the Goldanna quest.

So, did that just destroy the entire Alistair romance, or will it start up again after waiting some time?

[BevH]

I'm afraid if it's reset to warm then, yes, the romance is dead. I don't believe there's any way to restart it, but maybe someone else with more experience in the toolset can answer that.

[LilArty]

Well, darn.

Does anyone know if there's a cheat or mod or something that allows you to fiddle with the relationship status?

[Merilsell]

No problem Basically it ends the romance and I do know that you restart it with the "Has anyone ever told you how handsome you are" line. But if it works with other romance trigger beyond this one, I do not know, since I haven't tested it myself. It doesn't clear the romance flag, however, just cut it off. (Which is good, because clearing the flag means definite end of the romance. Obviously )

[BevH]

Hmm... well, if it doesn't clear the flag, then there must be something else that will kick start it again.

[LilArty]

Well, that sounds promising, but I've already used the "Handsome" line sooo...

[theskymoves]

Any of his romance starters should work, if his Approval is high enough. (There was a recent discussion about where some of those lines are in the Alistair Gush thread...) Or for an instant fix, there is a mod (Metagame Items) which has (among other items) a "potion" to toggle the romance flag on.

~tsm

Modifié par theskymoves, 04 août 2012 - 02:06 .

[LilArty]

All right, I'll check on those. I don't mind waiting a while to gain approval again. Part of the reason I chose the answer is I didn't want to rush through the relationship so early in the game. I just want to make sure it wasn't ruined.

Thanks so much y'all.

[tpp]

This is definitely one of those cases where I'd have no problem using a mod to tweak the status. A lot of those lines you pick in dialogues with your companions could be delivered in vastly different ways, and it's not always easy to tell what the game intends the line to mean. And in general, I think it would be nice to have a little bit more flexibility when it comes to pickup lines. It's too easy in some cases to pass up a romance opportunity and never get another chance.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Actually, I *think* you can get the romance started again by giving him Duncan's Shield. I seem to recall that happening to me, but it's been a while. I could be wrong.

[ejoslin]

You'll have to use a cheat to get the romance back. Romance cut off is a flag that means that the romance can't be restarted. If it were just cleared, you would be able to restart it. However, romance starter lines, with the exception of ONE of Morrigan's (when you give her the mirror), only appear under certain parameters (Leliana's bugs not being counted here), and the romance being cut off makes those lines not show up.

So yes, in order to get the romance back, you need to use console commands or find a mod on the dragon age nexus (I believe one exists -- it's a potion you drink or something).

Edit: I could not find the love potion on the DANexus.  Here are instructions on using the console.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 août 2012 - 12:11 .

[LilArty]

Thanks for the feedback. The Metagame Items mod that theskymoves linked to has a romance potion. If it continues to go nowhere I'll probably just use that rather than fuss around on the console.

Thanks again!

[theskymoves]

ejoslin wrote...

You'll have to use a cheat to get the romance back. Romance cut off is a flag that means that the romance can't be restarted. If it were just cleared, you would be able to restart it. However, romance starter lines, with the exception of ONE of Morrigan's (when you give her the mirror), only appear under certain parameters (Leliana's bugs not being counted here), and the romance being cut off makes those lines not show up.

So yes, in order to get the romance back, you need to use console commands or find a mod on the dragon age nexus (I believe one exists -- it's a potion you drink or something).

Edit: I could not find the love potion on the DANexus.  Here are instructions on using the console.

Hmmm. Then something very weird just happened to me.  I just did a 'for science' test on an old save - Alistair gave Warden the rose, and his approval was high enough that it triggered the "So all this time we've spent together..." conversation next. She told him it was too soon after the kiss, and that ended the romance, kicking Alistair back to Warm. Then I immediately restarted the Romance with the lamppost conversation - "I might like hearing it from you." - and even tented him for good measure. I didn't use any cheats, just dialogue. (I still had the "handsome" line available as well, but didn't use it.) 

~ tsm

Modifié par theskymoves, 04 août 2012 - 11:29 .

[ejoslin]

theskymoves wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

You'll have to use a cheat to get the romance back. Romance cut off is a flag that means that the romance can't be restarted. If it were just cleared, you would be able to restart it. However, romance starter lines, with the exception of ONE of Morrigan's (when you give her the mirror), only appear under certain parameters (Leliana's bugs not being counted here), and the romance being cut off makes those lines not show up.

So yes, in order to get the romance back, you need to use console commands or find a mod on the dragon age nexus (I believe one exists -- it's a potion you drink or something).

Edit: I could not find the love potion on the DANexus.  Here are instructions on using the console.

Hmmm. Then something very weird just happened to me.  I just did a 'for science' test on an old save - Alistair gave Warden the rose, and his approval was high enough that it triggered the "So all this time we've spent together..." conversation next. She told him it was too soon after the kiss, and that ended the romance, kicking Alistair back to Warm. Then I immediately restarted the Romance with the lamppost conversation - "I might like hearing it from you." - and even tented him for good measure. I didn't use any cheats, just dialogue. (I still had the "handome" line available as well, but didn't use it.) 

~ tsm

I just double checked in the toolset and not only does the romance_cut_off flag get set, but the flag romance_cut_off_cannot_restart is also set (though the latter is not used in the defined flag).  So I rechecked the flag itself that allows those lines to show and the conditions are that the romance not be active, the romance not be cut off, and that Alistair is warm (or friendly).

However, it looks like it may be restartable in the lamppost conversation anyway as the dialog seems to not check for that flag -- only if the warden is female.  However, the "handsome" line should not have been available.

But I do remember now one other instance where the romance can be restarted with Alistair provided you can trigger a starter line -- that is if the Warden chooses Zevran in Alistair's jealousy talk (he has to be the one to initiate it).  This is because the wrong flag is set at the end of that dialog.  

Edit: *grin* This was my long winded way of saying, wow, I was wrong!  However, usually that lamppost conversation happens early in the game at the start of the relationship, and the romance fairly clearly should not be able to be restarted.  It's just something about that particular conversation.  The other romance starter lines won't appear.

Modifié par ejoslin, 04 août 2012 - 11:40 .

[BevH]

Heh, heh, ejoslin. I was just going to confirm that TSM is indeed correct. I just tried it myself. If you tell him it was too soon after the kiss, then you can restart the romance with the lamppost conversation.

[theskymoves]

ejoslin wrote...

theskymoves wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

You'll have to use a cheat to get the romance back. Romance cut off is a flag that means that the romance can't be restarted. If it were just cleared, you would be able to restart it. However, romance starter lines, with the exception of ONE of Morrigan's (when you give her the mirror), only appear under certain parameters (Leliana's bugs not being counted here), and the romance being cut off makes those lines not show up.

So yes, in order to get the romance back, you need to use console commands or find a mod on the dragon age nexus (I believe one exists -- it's a potion you drink or something).

Edit: I could not find the love potion on the DANexus.  Here are instructions on using the console.

Hmmm. Then something very weird just happened to me.  I just did a 'for science' test on an old save - Alistair gave Warden the rose, and his approval was high enough that it triggered the "So all this time we've spent together..." conversation next. She told him it was too soon after the kiss, and that ended the romance, kicking Alistair back to Warm. Then I immediately restarted the Romance with the lamppost conversation - "I might like hearing it from you." - and even tented him for good measure. I didn't use any cheats, just dialogue. (I still had the "handome" line available as well, but didn't use it.) 

~ tsm

I just double checked in the toolset and not only does the romance_cut_off flag get set, but the flag romance_cut_off_cannot_restart is also set (though the latter is not used in the defined flag).  So I rechecked the flag itself that allows those lines to show and the conditions are that the romance not be active, the romance not be cut off, and that Alistair is warm (or friendly).

However, it looks like it may be restartable in the lamppost conversation anyway as the dialog seems to not check for that flag -- only if the warden is female.  However, the "handsome" line should not have been available.

But I do remember now one other instance where the romance can be restarted with Alistair provided you can trigger a starter line -- that is if the Warden chooses Zevran in Alistair's jealousy talk (he has to be the one to initiate it).  This is because the wrong flag is set at the end of that dialog.  

Edit: *grin* This was my long winded way of saying, wow, I was wrong!

Is an unused "handsome" line not supposed to reappear, if an active romance ends?

Modifié par theskymoves, 04 août 2012 - 11:40 .

[ejoslin]

theskymoves wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

theskymoves wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

You'll have to use a cheat to get the romance back. Romance cut off is a flag that means that the romance can't be restarted. If it were just cleared, you would be able to restart it. However, romance starter lines, with the exception of ONE of Morrigan's (when you give her the mirror), only appear under certain parameters (Leliana's bugs not being counted here), and the romance being cut off makes those lines not show up.

So yes, in order to get the romance back, you need to use console commands or find a mod on the dragon age nexus (I believe one exists -- it's a potion you drink or something).

Edit: I could not find the love potion on the DANexus.  Here are instructions on using the console.

Hmmm. Then something very weird just happened to me.  I just did a 'for science' test on an old save - Alistair gave Warden the rose, and his approval was high enough that it triggered the "So all this time we've spent together..." conversation next. She told him it was too soon after the kiss, and that ended the romance, kicking Alistair back to Warm. Then I immediately restarted the Romance with the lamppost conversation - "I might like hearing it from you." - and even tented him for good measure. I didn't use any cheats, just dialogue. (I still had the "handome" line available as well, but didn't use it.) 

~ tsm

I just double checked in the toolset and not only does the romance_cut_off flag get set, but the flag romance_cut_off_cannot_restart is also set (though the latter is not used in the defined flag).  So I rechecked the flag itself that allows those lines to show and the conditions are that the romance not be active, the romance not be cut off, and that Alistair is warm (or friendly).

However, it looks like it may be restartable in the lamppost conversation anyway as the dialog seems to not check for that flag -- only if the warden is female.  However, the "handsome" line should not have been available.

But I do remember now one other instance where the romance can be restarted with Alistair provided you can trigger a starter line -- that is if the Warden chooses Zevran in Alistair's jealousy talk (he has to be the one to initiate it).  This is because the wrong flag is set at the end of that dialog.  

Edit: *grin* This was my long winded way of saying, wow, I was wrong!

Is an unused "handsome" line not supposed to reappear, if an active romance ends?

Yep.  It's only supposed to appear if the romance is not active, the romance is not cut off, the warden is female, and Alistair is warm (or friendly -- friendly is not stated, but it's the way the approval flags work).  

The lamppost conversation in unique in that it only checks for the PC's gender. I'll double check this, but I'm almost positive those romance starter lines don't show up in any other circumstance. Since I always friendzoned Alistair, usually in the lamppost converastion, I would have noticed and fixed if they were showing up elsewhere.

[theskymoves]

ejoslin wrote...

theskymoves wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

theskymoves wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

You'll have to use a cheat to get the romance back. Romance cut off is a flag that means that the romance can't be restarted. If it were just cleared, you would be able to restart it. However, romance starter lines, with the exception of ONE of Morrigan's (when you give her the mirror), only appear under certain parameters (Leliana's bugs not being counted here), and the romance being cut off makes those lines not show up.

So yes, in order to get the romance back, you need to use console commands or find a mod on the dragon age nexus (I believe one exists -- it's a potion you drink or something).

Edit: I could not find the love potion on the DANexus.  Here are instructions on using the console.

Hmmm. Then something very weird just happened to me.  I just did a 'for science' test on an old save - Alistair gave Warden the rose, and his approval was high enough that it triggered the "So all this time we've spent together..." conversation next. She told him it was too soon after the kiss, and that ended the romance, kicking Alistair back to Warm. Then I immediately restarted the Romance with the lamppost conversation - "I might like hearing it from you." - and even tented him for good measure. I didn't use any cheats, just dialogue. (I still had the "handome" line available as well, but didn't use it.) 

~ tsm

I just double checked in the toolset and not only does the romance_cut_off flag get set, but the flag romance_cut_off_cannot_restart is also set (though the latter is not used in the defined flag).  So I rechecked the flag itself that allows those lines to show and the conditions are that the romance not be active, the romance not be cut off, and that Alistair is warm (or friendly).

However, it looks like it may be restartable in the lamppost conversation anyway as the dialog seems to not check for that flag -- only if the warden is female.  However, the "handsome" line should not have been available.

But I do remember now one other instance where the romance can be restarted with Alistair provided you can trigger a starter line -- that is if the Warden chooses Zevran in Alistair's jealousy talk (he has to be the one to initiate it).  This is because the wrong flag is set at the end of that dialog.  

Edit: *grin* This was my long winded way of saying, wow, I was wrong!

Is an unused "handsome" line not supposed to reappear, if an active romance ends?

Yep.  It's only supposed to appear if the romance is not active, the romance is not cut off, the warden is female, and Alistair is warm (or friendly -- friendly is not stated, but it's the way the approval flags work).  

The lamppost conversation in unique in that it only checks for the PC's gender. I'll double check this, but I'm almost positive those romance starter lines don't show up in any other circumstance. Since I always friendzoned Alistair, usually in the lamppost converastion, I would have noticed and fixed if they were showing up elsewhere.

Weirder still, then. I almost never use the "handsome" line to initiate his Romance the first time, and as far as I can recall, it always comes back Romance breaks and his Approval is high enough. At least twice I've used it to rekindle after breakups. (And now I'm terrifed to rely on that as my failsafe. Eeeek! )

[tklivory]

I wonder if it was something modified by a mod? It would be interesting to check the original source dlg vs the one with, say, the Alistair IRS.

[BevH]

I don't think IRS Alistair does anything with the handsome flirt. On the one I just tried, it wasn't available to me as an option.