GodlessPaladin wrote...
The Piranha doesn't necessarily have a higher risk factor. If you miss with the Claymore while fighting, say, a Hunter you're screwed. Miss with the Piranha and you don't even care.... you can just keep firing.
The recoil can be all but ignored when hip firing. That's what I wish they'd change.neteng101 wrote...
You all realize how dumb you sound now right? Even if one aims the Piranha to compensate for the spread pattern, given the recoil, only the first shot is going to be worth anything. Unless you're suggesting firing single shot at a time at which point, who cares about ROF increases, etc even? Yeah the Piranha is wildly inaccurate, and you're all just plain too blinded with your balance baloney to accept the truth.
I don't understand why the Harrier is even part of this conversation, since it's a drastically different weapon with drastically different handling.GodlessPaladin wrote...
Lord Rosario wrote...
Not long ago, you were saying it it was easier to aim the Piranha vs aiming the Claymore. Seems this story has changed.
No story has changed. It *IS* easier! You can aim way to the left or right (or even aim badly, above or below) and still register hits. You can't just point in a general direction and hose a group with the Claymore and expect to mow them down. You have to take aim at their center and you can't afford to miss. Not so with the Piranha.
The fact that it's DIFFERENT to aim doesn't make it HARDER to aim. The Scorpion is easy to aim too... but you don't aim it the same way you aim a Harrier.
neteng101 wrote...
You all realize how dumb you sound now right? Even if one aims the Piranha to compensate for the spread pattern, given the recoil, only the first shot is going to be worth anything. Unless you're suggesting firing single shot at a time at which point, who cares about ROF increases, etc even? Yeah the Piranha is wildly inaccurate, and you're all just plain too blinded with your balance baloney to accept the truth.
So the Pirhana doesn't outperform the claymore because the geth are so feirce?nicethugbert wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
The
Piranha doesn't necessarily have a higher risk factor. If you miss
with the Claymore while fighting, say, a Hunter you're screwed. Miss
with the Piranha and you don't even care.... you can just keep firing.
Hunters
don't care either and they can kill you faster than you can kill them.
You know about rediculus geth stagger and accuracy and fearlessness.
Why do you ignore it?
Modifié par Rokayt, 04 août 2012 - 04:01 .
I don't have a Destroyer, so I've been taking my baby Piranha I out on my Human Soldier instead. I'm having zero problem keeping the reticle on a target.neteng101 wrote...
You all realize how dumb you sound now right? Even if one aims the Piranha to compensate for the spread pattern, given the recoil, only the first shot is going to be worth anything. Unless you're suggesting firing single shot at a time at which point, who cares about ROF increases, etc even? Yeah the Piranha is wildly inaccurate, and you're all just plain too blinded with your balance baloney to accept the truth.
GodlessPaladin wrote...
You're pretending it's only an issue on the GI. The Piranha's great for just about everyone, including casters with no accuracy bonuses. Compare it to the Wraith, which weighs the same and is a quite good caster weapon.
nicethugbert wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
It's not just OP on the GI. It's OP for most characters. I see 3 or 4 of them in every lobby even with no Infiltrators in a lobby.
It's a new weapon. You know that unless it's horrible, a lot of people are going to use it.
Rokayt wrote...
Hipfiring is just as accurate, and lower recoil. You can get many more shots in, accurately this way...
Not to mention Barrage gear, and covers existance.
nicethugbert wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
You're pretending it's only an issue on the GI. The Piranha's great for just about everyone, including casters with no accuracy bonuses. Compare it to the Wraith, which weighs the same and is a quite good caster weapon.
Wraith is crap because of it's miserable ROF.
Its the only gun my geth engineir usesneteng101 wrote...
Rokayt wrote...
Hipfiring is just as accurate, and lower recoil. You can get many more shots in, accurately this way...
Not to mention Barrage gear, and covers existance.
You
don't have to tell me how to use a Piranha, I'm sure I've used it far
more effectively and a lot more than you have, and if you even bothered
using it for any amount of time you know you're basically just generally
aiming in the direction of the enemy and firing. Unless you're
starting down the belly of an Atlas which is a large target, you don't
get any accuracy worth a damm really, even with an N7 Destroyer.
Modifié par Rokayt, 04 août 2012 - 04:04 .
Anyone that has ever used high recoil weapons in games knows how to compensate. The amount of recoil that it has while hip firing is laughable. Even with the Destroyer's increased ROF, its recoil while sighting in cover is very little.neteng101 wrote...
Rokayt wrote...
Hipfiring is just as accurate, and lower recoil. You can get many more shots in, accurately this way...
Not to mention Barrage gear, and covers existance.
You don't have to tell me how to use a Piranha, I'm sure I've used it far more effectively and a lot more than you have, and if you even bothered using it for any amount of time you know you're basically just generally aiming in the direction of the enemy and firing. Unless you're starting down the belly of an Atlas which is a large target, you don't get any accuracy worth a damm really, even with an N7 Destroyer.
Modifié par ExpiredLifetime, 04 août 2012 - 04:05 .
ExpiredLifetime wrote...
Anyone that has ever used high recoil weapons in games knows how to compensate. The amount of recoil that it has while hip firing is laughable. Even with the Destroyer's increased ROF, its recoil while sighting in cover is very little.neteng101 wrote...
Rokayt wrote...
Hipfiring is just as accurate, and lower recoil. You can get many more shots in, accurately this way...
Not to mention Barrage gear, and covers existance.
You don't have to tell me how to use a Piranha, I'm sure I've used it far more effectively and a lot more than you have, and if you even bothered using it for any amount of time you know you're basically just generally aiming in the direction of the enemy and firing. Unless you're starting down the belly of an Atlas which is a large target, you don't get any accuracy worth a damm really, even with an N7 Destroyer.
nicethugbert wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
You're pretending it's only an issue on the GI. The Piranha's great for just about everyone, including casters with no accuracy bonuses. Compare it to the Wraith, which weighs the same and is a quite good caster weapon.
Wraith is crap because of it's miserable ROF.
Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 04 août 2012 - 04:12 .
GodlessPaladin wrote...
NeferiusX3 wrote...
I'll just leave this here.
First off, aiming as poorly as possible with the Piranha. Notice what happens if you do what you're supposed to and aim a bit down and to the side (and of course note how you can hit multiple enemies that way). Second off, compare the damage dealt in either case. 6 Harrier X rounds is about 770 base damage. Hitting with half of the Piranha pellets is about 700 base damage.
GodlessPaladin wrote...
nicethugbert wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
You're pretending it's only an issue on the GI. The Piranha's great for just about everyone, including casters with no accuracy bonuses. Compare it to the Wraith, which weighs the same and is a quite good caster weapon.
Wraith is crap because of it's miserable ROF.
Of course, the Piranha more than doubles the Wraith's damage output.
ExpiredLifetime wrote...
The recoil can be all but ignored when hip firing. That's what I wish they'd change.neteng101 wrote...
You all realize how dumb you sound now right? Even if one aims the Piranha to compensate for the spread pattern, given the recoil, only the first shot is going to be worth anything. Unless you're suggesting firing single shot at a time at which point, who cares about ROF increases, etc even? Yeah the Piranha is wildly inaccurate, and you're all just plain too blinded with your balance baloney to accept the truth.
Modifié par CC-Tron, 04 août 2012 - 04:11 .
Rokayt wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
nicethugbert wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
You're pretending it's only an issue on the GI. The Piranha's great for just about everyone, including casters with no accuracy bonuses. Compare it to the Wraith, which weighs the same and is a quite good caster weapon.
Wraith is crap because of it's miserable ROF.
That "miserable ROF" leaves it with the best DPS, burst and sustained,
of any non-DLC shotgun save the Claymore which weighs far, far more. Of course, the Piranha more than doubles the Wraith's damage output.
With a more predictable spread, I might add.
Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 04 août 2012 - 04:13 .
nicethugbert wrote...
You know the harrier user would have killed that trooper before the piranha user could have gotten close enough to land one pellet on that trooper.
Rokayt wrote...
neteng101 wrote...
You all realize how dumb you sound now right? Even if one aims the Piranha to compensate for the spread pattern, given the recoil, only the first shot is going to be worth anything. Unless you're suggesting firing single shot at a time at which point, who cares about ROF increases, etc even? Yeah the Piranha is wildly inaccurate, and you're all just plain too blinded with your balance baloney to accept the truth.
Hipfiring is just as accurate, and lower recoil. You can get many more shots in, accurately this way...
Not to mention Barrage gear, and covers existance.So the Pirhana doesn't outperform the claymore because the geth are so feirce?nicethugbert wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
The
Piranha doesn't necessarily have a higher risk factor. If you miss
with the Claymore while fighting, say, a Hunter you're screwed. Miss
with the Piranha and you don't even care.... you can just keep firing.
Hunters
don't care either and they can kill you faster than you can kill them.
You know about rediculus geth stagger and accuracy and fearlessness.
Why do you ignore it?
Ill have to test that notion. <_<
IT would be fair to the players who like using guns already in the game.CC-Tron wrote...
ExpiredLifetime wrote...
The recoil can be all but ignored when hip firing. That's what I wish they'd change.neteng101 wrote...
You all realize how dumb you sound now right? Even if one aims the Piranha to compensate for the spread pattern, given the recoil, only the first shot is going to be worth anything. Unless you're suggesting firing single shot at a time at which point, who cares about ROF increases, etc even? Yeah the Piranha is wildly inaccurate, and you're all just plain too blinded with your balance baloney to accept the truth.
So you want BW to change the gun for you? Never mind you're in the minority but they must please you by jacking up the recoil.
Really?nicethugbert wrote...
Rokayt wrote...
neteng101 wrote...
You
all realize how dumb you sound now right? Even if one aims the Piranha
to compensate for the spread pattern, given the recoil, only the first
shot is going to be worth anything. Unless you're suggesting firing
single shot at a time at which point, who cares about ROF increases, etc
even? Yeah the Piranha is wildly inaccurate, and you're all just plain
too blinded with your balance baloney to accept the truth.
Hipfiring is just as accurate, and lower recoil. You can get many more shots in, accurately this way...
Not to mention Barrage gear, and covers existance.So the Pirhana doesn't outperform the claymore because the geth are so feirce?nicethugbert wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
The
Piranha doesn't necessarily have a higher risk factor. If you miss
with the Claymore while fighting, say, a Hunter you're screwed. Miss
with the Piranha and you don't even care.... you can just keep firing.
Hunters
don't care either and they can kill you faster than you can kill them.
You know about rediculus geth stagger and accuracy and fearlessness.
Why do you ignore it?
Ill have to test that notion. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]
Claymore
staggers. Piranha does not. We all know how important stagger is in
this game. You get in range of a hunter to use the piranha on him and
he will just 2 shot you and sqee at your piranha before you can get a
second shot off.
Modifié par Rokayt, 04 août 2012 - 04:18 .
ExpiredLifetime wrote...
It would actually raise the gun's already insanely high DPS even more.Lord Rosario wrote...
ExpiredLifetime wrote...
Currently you nearly *have* to run with a smart choke to be able to hit anything with the gun. By making it so you're unable to use one, that slot currently occupied by the choke is then freed up for something else. Like a shredder being used in conjunction with the EB.Lord Rosario wrote...
ExpiredLifetime wrote...
The thing to consider with this, however, is that would free up another mod slot. Allowing the weapon's DPS to go even higher.Lord Rosario wrote...
I see no one paid any attention to the idea of making it similar to the Reegar and make it so you ~Can't~ get accuracy bonuses from anywhere else?
No it wouldn't... That wouldn't change anything besides almst forcing you to pick something else instead of giving you the choice you currently have. Saying it would free up another slot is just silly.It would limit mod bonuses and ability bonuses as well, meaning it can't get more accuracy than intended.
So in other words... since it would force you to use something besides the thing you almost have to use to be able to do anything with it, it would actually weaken the gun, as per the intended idea of making it so you couldn't get accuracy boosts for it.
Yeah, that's a terrible idea then, sorry for even bringing it up.
Yes, so balanced that they don't have to even consider using another gun, even a Wraith X.DarthVarner wrote...
THAT is why casters and people that aren't GIs / Turian Soldiers / Devastators are packing the Piranha. The new factor has something to do with it, but basically it fills in the "oh crap I'm gonna die" gap between their powers better than anything else.
And it does so beautifully, while being completely balanced in their hands.
Modifié par Asebstos, 04 août 2012 - 04:19 .
EvanKester wrote...
Err, rather than adding to the increasingly huge quote pile I'm just going to point out: Even if you aim the piranha poorly and don't use its reliable spread to land more shots, the fact that it's full-auto and has a large magazine means it loses a lot less of its damage to poor aim than the Claymore does.
If you miss one shot with the claymore, you've lost most or all of its damage. If you miss with the Piranha, just keep hip firing in the general direction of of the enemy and you'll rack up plenty of damage. Down and to the right might be ideal, but any slightly off-center aim will land more hits than you miss. Oh, and unlike the Claymore, it's really easy to hit tight clusters of enemies, like you get in spawn groups, or any match with geth.
Modifié par neteng101, 04 août 2012 - 04:19 .
GodlessPaladin wrote...
nicethugbert wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
You're pretending it's only an issue on the GI. The Piranha's great for just about everyone, including casters with no accuracy bonuses. Compare it to the Wraith, which weighs the same and is a quite good caster weapon.
Wraith is crap because of it's miserable ROF.
That "miserable ROF" leaves it with the best DPS, burst and sustained, of any non-DLC shotgun save the Claymore which weighs far, far more. Of course, the Piranha more than doubles the Wraith's damage output.
nicethugbert wrote...
Claymore staggers. Piranha does not. We all know how important stagger is in this game. You get in range of a hunter to use the piranha on him and he will just 2 shot you and sqee at your piranha before you can get a second shot off.
I have, and at long range that's all pretty true but... you realize you just directly compared the Piranha to the strongest grenades in the game, right? A close and medium range, with smart choke, the Piranha won't have that much trouble though, thanks to its extremely predictable spread. If there's a cluster of pyros headed my way, I'd much rather combine arc grenades with the piranha than spend two grenades on it.neteng101 wrote...
Distance matters in this regard. Try hip firing a Piranha with a basic no bonus accuracy character at any medium-long distance, and you'll find out quickly just how many pellets won't hit their mark. The Claymore is indeed far easier to use at distance, on ANY class, provided you do aim.
Anyone suggesting a Piranha is going to be like the Harrier at distance is just plain laughable... aside from Geth, Turian Solider and N7 Destroyer, the Piranha is a CLOSE ranged weapon period. You can use it to fire across the map if you want to try, and just go figure how long and how many shots it takes to kill a trooper? Even if you miss once with a Claymore, you can still get it done faster with the Claymore.
Sure you can kill a bunch of closely bunched mooks with a Piranha, but you can do the same with a couple of handy Arc Grenades just as easily from a longer engagement distance even.
Modifié par EvanKester, 04 août 2012 - 04:40 .
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