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Why is a piece of metal such a big deal for Sten?

Is he...overcompensating?

Is it a Qunari thing? Qun is fairly militaristic.

Or is it because a Qunari so completely defines himself by what he does? So a Qunari baker would think an oven is his soul. or a Qunari gardener would think his soul is a teensy shovel.

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Its supposed to be some honorable sword he earned by doing something important , so its not just a sword to him

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If you actually take some time to talk to Sten he will explain to you why it is not "just a sword" for him in very detailed and clear way.


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Cybercat999 wrote...

If you actually take some time to talk to Sten he will explain to you why it is not "just a sword" for him in very detailed and clear way.


This.

Did you just skip the dialogue scenes, OP?

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it's his soulllllllll

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andybuiadh wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

If you actually take some time to talk to Sten he will explain to you why it is not "just a sword" for him in very detailed and clear way.


This.

Did you just skip the dialogue scenes, OP?


Went through them quite often. Was just wondering if it was a Qunari cultural thing, personal quirk (Qunari don't seem to be big on those),or whatever. Believing a sword is his sole cannot be explained by saying he was given it in a big ceremony and that it was a great honour.

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it's a quanri thing, he thinks it is his soul and if he returned without it he'd be seen as souless (maybe he worded it slightly diffrentl cant remember) and they would kill him.



that is why he is so pissed about it.

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blazin130791 wrote...

it's a quanri thing, he thinks it is his soul and if he returned without it he'd be seen as souless (maybe he worded it slightly diffrentl cant remember) and they would kill him.

that is why he is so pissed about it.


already knew that from chatting with the big guy. Was wondering why he thinks that way. Are all Qunari thinking their souls are the main object with witch they do their job? So a Qunari bard would think his instrument was his soul?

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It's not a "qunari thing" it's a prized possession, frankly it's no different than guys fawning over their cars. If you talk to him he tells you exactly why it's so important to him, why he could never go back to his loved country without it.

It's not explained if other qunari feel this way but given the culture it's possible. It's just a part of him, it's not that uncommon for a person to be attached to their weapon. 

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Rainen89 wrote...

It's not a "qunari thing" it's a prized possession, frankly it's no different than guys fawning over their cars. If you talk to him he tells you exactly why it's so important to him, why he could never go back to his loved country without it.


Ive never met a guy who thinks his car is his soul. Though i have met a few who would go on a killing spree if they couldnt find it. I just want a little explanation on Qunari culture. You can't just say that he thinks of a sword as his soul and then not explain why or whether it's a Qunari phenomenon or some weird personal quirk.

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sten's sword is called "Asala" which means, literally, The Soul. It could just be a metahor but i think he would use the word "Kadan" if he meant something treasured and close to the heart as it means something like center of the chest or someat.



super geek moment there lol




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Qunari thing. Sten explains that he would be killed on sight if he didn't bring his sword home. He doesn't really elaborate, but it has something to do with Qunari honor.

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AntiChri5 wrote...

Rainen89 wrote...

It's not a "qunari thing" it's a prized possession, frankly it's no different than guys fawning over their cars. If you talk to him he tells you exactly why it's so important to him, why he could never go back to his loved country without it.


Ive never met a guy who thinks his car is his soul. Though i have met a few who would go on a killing spree if they couldnt find it. I just want a little explanation on Qunari culture. You can't just say that he thinks of a sword as his soul and then not explain why or whether it's a Qunari phenomenon or some weird personal quirk.

im not sure never liked sten but arnt their swords supposed to be crafted for their hands alone and for them alone so it reflects them in a way so thus explained? check the codex!

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AntiChri5 wrote...

Rainen89 wrote...

It's not a "qunari thing" it's a prized possession, frankly it's no different than guys fawning over their cars. If you talk to him he tells you exactly why it's so important to him, why he could never go back to his loved country without it.


Ive never met a guy who thinks his car is his soul. Though i have met a few who would go on a killing spree if they couldnt find it. I just want a little explanation on Qunari culture. You can't just say that he thinks of a sword as his soul and then not explain why or whether it's a Qunari phenomenon or some weird personal quirk.

im not sure never liked sten but arnt their swords supposed to be crafted for their hands alone and for them alone so it reflects them in a way so thus explained? check the codex!

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It seems he would become souless by killing kiddies anyways. I wanted the option to ram the sword down his throat when we found it.

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It's not at all like a guy's car - we don't kill people when they lose their car.



The whole 'I can't return to my society without it' seemed a pretty clear indication to me that it was a Qunari thing. They have a lot of very strongly held traditions, many of which seem violent/barbaric/weird to outsiders. It seems to fit with the general collectivist tendency of the Qun, as well; an individual should be defined by their place within and relation to the social order, so things like honor and duty are extremely important to the Qunari.

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Kadan: Term for something one values highly. Or sometimes the center of the chest. (Literally, "where the heart lies.")



found the definition on the wiki, so i was pretty much right.

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Really? I've met people who would kill if it got stolen/damaged. It ties back into the fact that Qunari seem to have a firm caste structure. Sten, is a warrior in the Vanguard. (Qunari word is Bereserad but I think I'm butchering it.) Anyway, because of this his weapon is deeply close to him, it is a part of him because being a warrior is all sten is. It's his personality, his entire being and meaning in life revolves around serving the Qun as a warrior for his people. Losing his weapon, the instrument and tool (almost friend.) that allows him to serve his people and be a warrior is like losing a piece of himself. "No soldier would cast aside his weapon if they still drew breath." The fact that he is alive, but without his weapon, the thing that identifies himself and to others as a warrior for his people, to him at least means he is without a part of him. His "soul" as he calls it. Whether this is just within the vanguard, sten himself or just a Qunari thing in general is not specifically elaborated on, but it is implied that probably everyone feels this way towards the object that allows them to serve the Qun.

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I wonder if that's where Kaidan's name came from? o.O

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he calls you and shale kadan cus he likes you.

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This is my sword. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My sword is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I master my life. My sword, without me, is useless. Without my sword, I am useless.
I must swing my sword true. I must stab straighter than my enemy who is
trying to kill me. I must cleave him before he cleaves me. I will....

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Rainen89 wrote...

Really? I've met people who would kill if it got stolen/damaged. It ties back into the fact that Qunari seem to have a firm caste structure. Sten, is a warrior in the Vanguard. (Qunari word is Bereserad but I think I'm butchering it.) Anyway, because of this his weapon is deeply close to him, it is a part of him because being a warrior is all sten is. It's his personality, his entire being and meaning in life revolves around serving the Qun as a warrior for his people. Losing his weapon, the instrument and tool (almost friend.) that allows him to serve his people and be a warrior is like losing a piece of himself. "No soldier would cast aside his weapon if they still drew breath." The fact that he is alive, but without his weapon, the thing that identifies himself and to others as a warrior for his people, to him at least means he is without a part of him. His "soul" as he calls it. Whether this is just within the vanguard, sten himself or just a Qunari thing in general is not specifically elaborated on, but it is implied that probably everyone feels this way towards the object that allows them to serve the Qun.


this is exactly what im asking for. Does a Qunari buider think of his hammer as his soul?

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mynameisdanza wrote...

It seems he would become souless by killing kiddies anyways. I wanted the option to ram the sword down his throat when we found it.


He was so shocked and scared when he found out his sword was missing that he blacked out. Not like he killed anyone in cold blood just because he found it fun.

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It's very likely. It is a tool that allows him to serve his people, without his tool he is useless and cannot serve the Qun as he/she should. While it is not specifically said it is heavily implied. "Serving the Qun" is the only thing that matters. Whether that place is at the top or the very bottom, everyone must do what they can to serve it completely. So, yes it is likely a qunari builder would think of whatever allowed him to serve his people as his soul, or something practically equivalent to it.

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Cybercat999 wrote...

mynameisdanza wrote...

It seems he would become souless by killing kiddies anyways. I wanted the option to ram the sword down his throat when we found it.


He was so shocked and scared when he found out his sword was missing that he blacked out. Not like he killed anyone in cold blood just because he found it fun.


I just can't find any way to justify it in my head :P