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[What a Succulent Ass]

v TricKy v wrote...

You can save a lot of people but you have to kill one of your best friends for it. Would you still push the button in real life? Let me answer that right away because you wouldnt. Nobody of us would do it.

To be frank, I probably would. Especially if I only had to push a button. At any rate, if I decided not to and let a great number of people die to save him/her, any one of my good friends would be quite pissed at me.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

EDI > the geth/Legion.

[v TricKy v]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

You can save a lot of people but you have to kill one of your best friends for it. Would you still push the button in real life? Let me answer that right away because you wouldnt. Nobody of us would do it. Humans are emotion driven. So seeing things with cold logic is the wrong way to do it.

Ruthless calculus. Garrus says it plain in the game. War of attrition.

I believe he says, "sacrifice 10,000,000,000 to save 20,000,000,000."

The thing is the calculus of war only works perfectly for people like generals and politicians who just see numbers and not the actual people. Being the person who actually carrys out the order is a whole different matter.

True enough, but if you're objective is to destroy the Reapers (which was mine for the whole series), and it comes down to saving a friend or saving the galaxy, you know what you have to do.

You are right but that is problem with ME3 ending.  I saved the galaxy but killed friends and and new established allies for it. Its not a victory for me.

[BonFire5]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

EDI > the geth/Legion.

EDI's eaten by the Geth and Legion?

[EricChase88]

-Skorpious- wrote...

EricChase88 wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Because she experienced some of the best Character Development in series, where Shepard guided her along a path to sentience, in other words, if you don't care about her your callous d*ck or you believe Synthetics aren't worthy of livin, or were never alive in the first place, meaning she is just a tool.

Sorry, but I can't see any reason to care about a sexbot. She is nothing more than Joker's plaything.

Exactly. I'm not offended that they gave EDI a mobile platform, but rather the objectified manner in which they choose to depict her. A ******? Really? <_<

I also dislike the fact that she stole a combat role from a previous squadmate who derserved it more, but that is another topic for another discussion.  

Honestly, the stupid sexbot is the only thing going for her. The fact that she takes up a spot from much more interesting characters in Mass Effect 2 makes it that much worse.

Modifié par EricChase88, 04 août 2012 - 08:10 .

[Ranger Jack Walker]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

v TricKy v wrote...

You can save a lot of people but you have to kill one of your best friends for it. Would you still push the button in real life? Let me answer that right away because you wouldnt. Nobody of us would do it. Humans are emotion driven. So seeing things with cold logic is the wrong way to do it.

Ruthless calculus. Garrus says it plain in the game. War of attrition.

I believe he says, "sacrifice 10,000,000,000 to save 20,000,000,000."

And should you choose it, you can shut down that line of thinking immediately.

It's not a very good arguement if one of your responses to it is : "That's BS"

[fchopin]

-Skorpious- wrote...

I stopped caring about EDI as soon as she became nothing but a sex object for Joker.

Same here, Bioware made EDI look cheap and unimportant and also not a true AI.
 
They had a chance to make AI's important with EDI and Legion on the same ship but instead they made EDI in to a cheap hooker imo.
 
They should have just given Joker a doll to play with and not cheapen EDI.

Modifié par fchopin, 04 août 2012 - 08:17 .

[Clayless]

I don't understand the anger behind EDI in a sexy body. She was never a "cheap hooker", did anyone that thinks that even talk to her in ME3?

[Zaxares]

People care about EDI's death in the same way some others might care about Tali's death. Or Mordin's death. Or Steeeeeeeeeve!'s death. Because they felt a connection to that character and cared about them as an individual. Not all characters are going to resonate with all people.

If anything, I think that Bioware should have changed the Destroy ending purely on that basis; that the "sacrifice" is meaningless to players who don't care about synthetics and/or happily sacrificed the geth. I would have written it so that the Crucible ONLY destroys the Reapers, but in order to gain enough power to do so, it consumes and destroys all of the Mass Relays*, thereby condemning the galaxy to the "dark ages" where individual planets and civilisations become isolated and alone once more.

* This varies based on your EMS score. If your war assets are ridiculously high, say, over 8000, then it's possible to choose Destroy and still have the Mass Relays not destroyed. It's an acknowledgement of player skill and dedication as much as choices.

[fchopin]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I don't understand the anger behind EDI in a sexy body. She was never a "cheap hooker", did anyone that thinks that even talk to her in ME3?

I am not upset because EDI had a sexy body, i am upset that they cheapened her character and made her not a true AI.

[Nightwriter]

Might as well ask me why I even care about Data's death.

EDI's a great conduit for existential reflection and ponderings on the human experience. It's rewarding to see her growing and taking steps toward figuring out who she is and what she wants. When she finally says she would die to stop the Reapers and protect the freedoms of sentient beings it's pretty moving. She's not the most colorful robot personality-wise but I feel like she brings something to the game and I have been too involved in her evolution not to be upset that she has to die if I can live.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I still couldn't do Synthesis or Control. Not for EDI. Not for the Geth. Starbrat has to be dead, and I wasn't going to buy its bill of goods. Refusal was just letting business as usual proceed. In a war like this all rules go out the window.

[Kataphrut94]

fchopin wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

I don't understand the anger behind EDI in a sexy body. She was never a "cheap hooker", did anyone that thinks that even talk to her in ME3?

I am not upset because EDI had a sexy body, i am upset that they cheapened her character and made her not a true AI.

How's she not a 'true AI'? The body is hardware, same as Legions. She's more 'human-like' than any of the geth, but she was designed to be like that. In modern terms, Legion and the geth are a race of networked senitent calculators, EDI is one of those prototype human-robots you see at Japanese technology museums.

[Shaftell]

I'd choose destroy if it killed my entire team! ... how many hints are put throughout this game that destroying the Reapers is the priority... Reapers live in other 2 choices. Just because we saw nice optimistic slides, don't mean it'll stay that way ( Head canon). ONLY with dead Reapers will this fight and sacrifices not be in vain.

[Y3Y00]

I don't mind sacrificing both EDI and the Geth, yet I chose Control. The Reapers are the ones that matter. I just love them. Seriously.

[Eain]

BrookerT wrote...

Because she experienced some of the best Character Development in series, where Shepard guided her along a path to sentience, in other words, if you don't care about her your callous d*ck or you believe Synthetics aren't worthy of livin, or were never alive in the first place, meaning she is just a tool.

To be honest Legion's arc was better, I think. EDI's was just your good old pinocchio story, whereas Legion's raised the question about why one type of sentience should be more important than another.

That said I have an innate weakness for artificial intelligences, so I would never pick destroy.

Modifié par Eain, 04 août 2012 - 09:45 .

[Constant Motion]

EricChase88 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I stopped caring about EDI as soon as she became nothing but a sex object for Joker. There was absolutely no need to deviate from the role she played in ME2.

None.

Absolutely correct. I just don't have any connection with a sexbot.

So because she's attractive, and she's capable of having sex, she's nothing more than a sexbot?

Your attitude to women must be despicable.

[Krunjar]

Once again someone who has difficulty accepting the fact that not everyone in the world agrees with him. I don't think of Edi as just a "Sexbot" and I have many reasons for not picking destroy and the slaughter of EDI and the geth is one of them. That's my opinion and you are just going to have to deal with it. If you want to dismiss her and pick destroy that is your choice and you are welcome to it. But don't come on the forums going "deeeerp why u wanna do sumfin that i dont wanna do deeerp." It's just stupid to be incredulous at the fact that people disagree with you it really, really is.

[jstme]

I liked EDI. Much better character development then that of LocoLola dude, for example. It was not written to be a sexbot, though external appearence is pretty clear .
I still choose destroy, and it sucks that it has to take down EDI and Geth too. No other reason then to make all choices morally problematic for the sake of artistic integrity and bitterness of the writers.

[Blood drinker 7777]

i prefer control and syhesis.
but i will never kill the geth and edi because they deserve to live and killing them because they are different is wrong

[Goneaviking]

Because she trusts you. To act in the best interests of everyone and to guide her in developing her own identity and values.

It's a hard thing to betray someone you know trusts you. Unless you're a sociopath.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Eain wrote...

To be honest Legion's arc was better, I think. EDI's was just your good old pinocchio story, whereas Legion's raised the question about why one type of sentience should be more important than another.

...Until that went entirely out the window with Rannoch.

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

Because she tries so hard to understand the world and become more human, because she proves her loyalty and friendship so many times, even screwing her creators in the process, because she helps even Joker become more human, and yes, because some of us care about this story and its incredible insight into character development. She's only a "sexbot" in your own twisted mind.

[EricChase88]

Eain wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Because she experienced some of the best Character Development in series, where Shepard guided her along a path to sentience, in other words, if you don't care about her your callous d*ck or you believe Synthetics aren't worthy of livin, or were never alive in the first place, meaning she is just a tool.

To be honest Legion's arc was better, I think. EDI's was just your good old pinocchio story, whereas Legion's raised the question about why one type of sentience should be more important than another.

That said I have an innate weakness for artificial intelligences, so I would never pick destroy.

To be fair, EDI was already "humanized" to hell in Mass Effect 2, so her direction in this Mass Effect 3 isn't surprising. But she's just so generic. Does anything stand out about her other than being a sexbot?

Also, Mordin died, Legion died. Many characters can die. Billions lost their lives to the Reapers. So how does EDI dying do anything to prevent anyone from choosing Destroy? 

Modifié par EricChase88, 04 août 2012 - 10:16 .

[Wu the Lotus Blossom]

EricChase88 wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

Because she experienced some of the best Character Development in series, where Shepard guided her along a path to sentience, in other words, if you don't care about her your callous d*ck or you believe Synthetics aren't worthy of livin, or were never alive in the first place, meaning she is just a tool.

Sorry, but I can't see any reason to care about a sexbot. She is nothing except for Joker's plaything. That's all she is, really, a fanservice. There's no reason to even have her.

She is nothing to YOU. Don't generalize your opinion, it's insulting.